on 5/10/11 2:05 PM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:53 -0700, William wrote:
Now try that one-handed.
Why? So you can hold an espresso in the other hand? :)
No, because that's normally how you remove and replace a wheel. One
hand holds the frame,
On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 20:22 -0700, Erik wrote:
While I have filed many a fork tip (actually a disk grinder does the
job in a few seconds, but one needs to be especially careful), I
wouldn't go so far as to say that lawyer lips negate the function of
a quick release. The wheel can still be
:17 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
Yes, but it turns a quick release lever into nothing more than an
asymmetrical wing nut and turns quick into a cruel joke.
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On May 9, 11:22 pm, Erik efrob...@gmail.com wrote:
The wheel can still be removed without a wrench,
which seems to be the major objective.
But if you want tool less wheel removal, use a wing nut,
simpler than a q/r with lips. You just tighten a wingnut, none
the extra complication of tighten
Well, maybe it's my peculiar personal preference. But I'd take a quick
release over a wing nut any day. At this point, having used a quick-
release often enough on my bike, I can feel when the appropriate
tension is on the skewer before clamping so that I know that clamping
at that time will be
This is especially bad, IMO, when trying to put a bike on a fork mount roof
rack, while keeping it balanced with one hand.
On May 10, 2011 5:46 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote:
On May 9, 11:22 pm, Erik efrob...@gmail.com wrote:
The wheel can still be removed without a wrench,
which
It's not the extra 10 seconds to remove and another 10 to replace,
it's the hassle of having to re-adjust the QR. I'd rather use allen
key skewers on non-lawyer-lipped forks than QRs on l-l forks. That's
just me, but it *is* my preference. I hatem, annoying pissant things.
Except:
OTOH, with my
Reminds me of the days when beer cans and bottles had to be opened
using a tool vs. a quick-release of some kind. Personally, I like
using a nice heavy opener on a frosty bottle now and then. If the same
tool can tighten a hub nut, or take off a pedal, or firm up a crank
bolt - all the better.
on 5/10/11 4:17 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:
Yes, but it turns a quick release lever into nothing more than an
asymmetrical wing nut and turns quick into a cruel joke.
I found that with lipped fork tips, I just open the QR, count half turns
of the lever, then remove (always
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:59 PM, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote:
It’s too bad, reading the latest Knothole entry on the Rivendell
website, Grant appears to be stressed out, probably about that legal
case he refers to in RR 43. (It would be funny, considering that a
gaggle of lawyers are
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 11:04 -0700, CycloFiend wrote:
on 5/10/11 4:17 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:
Yes, but it turns a quick release lever into nothing more than an
asymmetrical wing nut and turns quick into a cruel joke.
I found that with lipped fork tips, I just open
GP seems like the last bike-related person in the world that should be
at the end of a negligent QR lawsuit... if that's what it really is
about.
Correct, which means it's not about negligence. So what is it about?
An ambulance chaser using emotional appeals to shakedown some deep
pockets
Now try that one-handed.
Why? So you can hold an espresso in the other hand? :)
If by one handed you mean one hand on the handlebars for when you lift
the front end of the bike off the front wheel, then the way I've done
it (without really thinking about it) was to use my left calf on the
nut
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:53 -0700, William wrote:
Now try that one-handed.
Why? So you can hold an espresso in the other hand? :)
No, because that's normally how you remove and replace a wheel. One
hand holds the frame, one hand inserts the wheel and then locks down the
quick release.
I share your dislike for the lawyer lips. I prefer that my bikes not
have them, and none of my current bikes do have them. That said,
counting backwards in time, the last 5 bikes that I've owned that came
with lawyer lips left my possession with their lawyer lips intact. My
point being that any
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 14:41 -0700, William wrote:
I share your dislike for the lawyer lips. I prefer that my bikes not
have them, and none of my current bikes do have them. That said,
counting backwards in time, the last 5 bikes that I've owned that came
with lawyer lips left my possession
Herculean efforts was hyperbole. If you can't imagine hyperbole,
then should I assume you really meant 'circus act with clowns'
literally? Whoa.
I use friction shifting, too. Is index even easier? Yeah, I guess
(when it works), but friction shifting is tremendously easy, too. I
prefer
So... you rode the bike for 15 years and the wheel never came out of
the dropouts. And in all that time you never knew how to correctly
fasten a quick release. Fifteen years of negligent riding, and the
bike never had a problem.
Sounds pretty safe to me.
Philip
Philip Williamson
On May 6, 9:48 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Because they negate the function of a quick release.
While I have filed many a fork tip (actually a disk grinder does the
job in a few seconds, but one needs to be especially careful), I
wouldn't go so far as to say that lawyer lips
It’s too bad, reading the latest Knothole entry on the Rivendell
website, Grant appears to be stressed out, probably about that legal
case he refers to in RR 43. (It would be funny, considering that a
gaggle of lawyers are working feverishly, perhaps even referring to
“lawyer lips” in their
I have them on my Quickbeam, but not Bombadil. While I agree with
the gist of the article in the RR, about the tragedy of fool-proofing
everything in sight, the LLs on the QB do not really bother me.I
rarely remove the front wheel to fix a flat (schwalbe!) and when I do,
I'm not usually in
I had them on my Qucikbeam, and hated them. More in principle than in
practice as I didn't take the wheel off much. I love them on my Karate
Monkey though. The forces of the disc brake and all the hits that bike gets
makes me glad to have an extra retention system. It's a pain when putting
it
I could be wrong, but I think this is a Waterford stipulation, not a
Riv one. My 2009 Taiwanese Sam does not have lawyers lips, nor any
other lawyer parts.
Gernot
On May 7, 7:43 am, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
:(
Darn, I loved the convenience of a quick flip, and even more the ease of
On May 7, 12:53 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
I could be wrong, but I think this is a Waterford stipulation, not a
Riv one. My 2009 Taiwanese Sam does not have lawyers lips, nor any
other lawyer parts.
Gernot
If it is a stipulation, it must not be a consistent one.I have a
My new Waterford-built Bombadil has'm. I plan to use Pitlocks, so no
big deal.
On May 6, 4:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage. It's
unfortunate to see that Grant was dragged into a lawsuit over an improperly
installed wheel --
I'm curious why people have a problem with these?
On May 6, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
It takes about 20 minutes with a sharp file to remove them.
michael
On May 6, 5:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage.
Because they negate the function of a quick release.
On May 6, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
It takes about 20 minutes with a sharp file to remove them.
michael
On May 6, 5:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage.
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:35 PM, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious why people have a problem with these?
Because they negate the function of the QR.
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The only thing I can think of that would make me hate 'em is where I
would be racking and unracking the bike from a roof-top mount on my
car, where the front wheel needed to be removed twice for each ride. I
did a lot of that a few years ago, and I can honestly say I would have
filed 'em off had
:(
Darn, I loved the convenience of a quick flip, and even more the ease of
reinstallation... Oh well, can't blame them.
On May 6, 2011 5:42 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
My new Waterford-built Bombadil has'm. I plan to use Pitlocks, so no
big deal.
On May 6, 4:49 pm, Rex Kerr
In the
Bstone days we devoted catalogue pages to it, and offered Q/R
TRAINING
DEVICES to dealers (they were custom made, and I brazed in a few
dozen
dropouts myself).
I used that bridgestone training device hundreds of times in my past
life working at the bike shop, both as the QR training tool
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