[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-05 Thread Garth
On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric, and may do better flipped.  On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the middle ring has the text

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-05 Thread rperks
Think of the bevel as your micro spacer, shifting the center of the tooth profile left. I think it is technically backwards, the pics on peter white's page show the text facing out. But the 9sp chain was wedging itself to a complete stop, one side against the large ring, the rollers on the

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-05 Thread JoelMatthews
This is what makes the sugino 0X08ID so appealing, It gets old tweeking vintage parts to work right with new ones. It is engineered from the get go to take a wide range double, full range of lengths from 160-175 and I do not have to scour the glode looking for a decent price on quality

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-05 Thread Garth
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: No skin off my nose what anyone choses to buy.  All my multi-speed bikes have 6 -7 speed freewheels.  All of them have new model TA cranks up front with TA rings.  Chains are all Wipperman, I believe 8 speed.  Derailleurs are

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-05 Thread JoelMatthews
Joel, How many cogs can you use per chainring without rubbing ? Is yours a double or triple? I have a Zephyr Light double paired with a 6 speed freewheel on one bike and a Carmina triple paired with a 7 speed freewheel. On Aug 5, 11:21 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 11:19 am,

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread William
The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread bfd
On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The TA is a fantastic option at least for me.  50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days.  To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB.  The key things for me

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread William
Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also. My big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the big ring. On Aug 4, 9:42 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread James Valiensi
And, Don't forget the Middleburn 2x9. http://www.mtbtandems.com/ Cheers! On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:08 AM, William wrote: Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also. My big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a chainring with no spider supporting it,

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread J Thurow
Or DaVinci, http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#cranks. James Thurow StL Mo On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: And, Don't forget the Middleburn 2x9. http://www.mtbtandems.com/ Cheers! On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:08 AM, William wrote: Those White VBC's

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread JoelMatthews
$700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax. No matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket. If you buy the TA

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread bfd
On Aug 4, 12:04 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax.  No matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket.  If you buy the TA from Peter White, no taxes unless you are in New Hampshire. Agree, but the price for the

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Garth
Bilenky sells the Carmina complete for a bit less. It was significantly less, but they've raised their prices. I have mixed feelings about the Carmina, as I recently bought one. First, the BB sizing is soup du jour. You'll never know what it's going to need until you actually get it. Forget

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:58 -0700, Garth wrote: The rings, with all the ramps and pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring. 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I don't understand. How do ramps and pins reduce the number of sprockets available? --

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread JoelMatthews
Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area. I must say I'm no fan of

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Garth
I use 7sp friction shifting Joel. I've never used indexed shifting. If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was told I'd have no issue with using a 8sp chain with

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:26 -0700, Garth wrote: I use 7sp friction shifting Joel. I've never used indexed shifting. If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread JoelMatthews
If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was told I'd have no issue with using a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn. I have TA Chainrings on all

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Garth
A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure. This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent. Bilenky told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:59 -0700, Garth wrote: A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure. This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent. Bilenky told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should be

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Garth
On Aug 4, 5:02 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:59 -0700, Garth wrote: A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure. This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent.  Bilenky told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the chain rubs

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:08 -0700, Garth wrote: I'm in a 7 speed world though Not as far as chains are concerned, though: the chain you buy today as a 7 speed chain is the one that some years ago was labeled 8 speed. Now they call it 6-7-8 speed. -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-04 Thread rperks
This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric, and may do better flipped. On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the middle ring has the text facing in or left. 9sp chain with an IRD freewheel in the back.

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-03 Thread Boogarich
You may also want to look at this crank from Shimano: http://www.nashbar.com/bikes//Product_10053_10052_502567_-1___ Of course, you will need to use the Shimano Hollowtech bottom bracket but this crank is 50/34 and has crank lengths available in 172.5 mm. This crankset is now on sale at Nashbar

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-03 Thread JoelMatthews
Seems some of you ought to check out the TA Carmina. I am going with a 172.5 with the 110/74 double spider for my 650b Rando. Later if I want a triple I can swap spiders and go either with the 110/74 triple or 94/58. JIS taper. On Aug 3, 9:03 pm, Boogarich rwasiew...@socal.rr.com wrote: You

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread Michael_S
I think you are referring to the new Sugino Mighty Tour? Very nice but a little pricey. http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=10478currency=USD ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread reynoldslugs
here is a snip from the original thread - my apologies for starting a new thread. http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/ox801d_main_japan.htm http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=jau=http://www.sugino... If you look towards the bottom where it describe chain ring size, it can come with

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread William
If you mean this one: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm Nobody here on the board knew of how to get it or how much it would cost. Could be $300, could be $700. I have no clue. I think you'd have to talk to an importer who deals with Sugino or a friend who could try to

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread William
Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011.

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread bfd
On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales.  They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September.  After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in,

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread Michael_S
I think I'm waiting for the VO copy of the TA Pro 5 crankset. Supposed to take a 28 or 30 small chain ring. and hopefully under $200 smackers. That fancy smancy Sugino crankset uses an external BB... not something I would want. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 2:48 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 2,

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread William
Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug 2, 3:20 pm, Michael_S

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread pruckelshaus
I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me, otherwise I would be very interested in a pair. I respect Chris for what he's doing for the Riv/VO/etc. aspect of the industry, but there are times when he's wrong, and his stance on 172.5's is one of those times. On Aug 2, 6:48 pm,

[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset

2010-08-02 Thread Michael_S
Works for me... I prefer the 175's. I feel like I climb better with a longer crankarm. I'm a little concerned about Q factor though. I prefer something a little wider. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 4:33 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely.  No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for