Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

ose bike is that? List member? >> >> >> >> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Garth >> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 12:56 PM >> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch >> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa i

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Yeah Leisl , of all the Riv frames I must say your design is the absolute coolest ! *Truly long and low with style* ! I cannot see either why the next production frame will not have the 50cm+ chainstays, given the talk-up in the blug saying essentially "there's no reason why not to" ! See

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

It's good to have a new name. Then less confusion on which "Sam" you are looking at in a given "FS:" listing. The long stay wider tire version or the 42mm tire max version. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe fro

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It's good to have a new name. Then less confusion on which "Sam" you are looking at in a given "FS:" listing. The long stay wider tire version or the 42mm tire max version. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe fro

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Fun to see a link to my custom; thanks Garth! Yep, my custom differs from the Mystery Bike in that the mid stays are doubled and go right into the asymmetric tentacular stays. And yep it's a Nobilette. I thought of it as a Custom Appaloosa because of the badge on the Mystery (which is what th

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

The finger points to the moon, but the finger is not the moon. On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > This is a great opportunity for one to wax philosophical about the role of > a name...to outline the nuances between reference, designation, > identification, si

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

I'm confused here too. I understood that these modified Sam Hillbornes were replacing the original mystery/long bikes for the Joe Appaloosa "name," but I thought that they were going to have long chainstays in addition to having more tire clearance. I seem to recall a Blug entry or somethin

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

A brown "mystery bike" is my commuting bike. For me, the 50mm tires make it wonderful, the long stays make it different, and the curvy tentacles make it (nearly) unique. Based on my own saddle time on Sam and the long one, the fat-tired Sam called an Appaloosa prototype, the one that started t

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

e is that? List member? > > > > *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Garth > *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 12:56 PM > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet &g

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FWIW, Here also is Leisl's frame . It appears to differ in there are 2 diagonal tubes, like really long chainstay kinda tubes. The green one uses one main tube and uses a lug on the seat tube . Regardless, I love this style ! http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/80720787036/heres-the-story-of

RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Beautiful – whose bike is that? List member? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:56 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet BenG, You mean you have

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ooglegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Garth > *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 2:17 PM > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet > > > > > Thanks Bill ! So I'll consider a Appaloosa to mean "prototype" > generically

RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

So, back to calling the long bikes "Mystery Bikes"? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:17 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet Thanks Bill

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BenG, You mean you have a frame like the green one I linked above ? https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg I like those frames ! Yes, the Chev looks nice . My next frame will likely be custom as I have yet to meet another production frame that can "add to" the fit

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Hi Garth, I bought one of the proto long bikes late in that program. Seems to me like it was "an experiment, a step in the right direction, a successive approximation" (says so on the decal) that led to the Cheviot, the first production long bike. Mine has the horse head badge that will show up

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Jim nailed that one On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: > > ... > I don't think rando is un-racerish enough for Grant, and he's definitely > not a fan of low-trail. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bu

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There's a plethora of builders who can help you with that. Rivendell will not be one of them. I don't think rando is un-racerish enough for Grant, and he's definitely not a fan of low-trail. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > I'm holding out for a super light tubing, standar

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Many things can be said about Riv and GP but responding to the market and following others' leads aren't some of them! -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

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Well, they gotta know there's a big market for it. Lotsa lugged Rando builders around these days in the USA. Randonneuring seems to be exploding in the USA. I think in this years PBP, the USA had more riders than any other country except France. Riv could go Taiwan or Toyo and undercut the comp

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

On 08/30/2015 05:03 PM, Lungimsam wrote: I'm holding out for a super light tubing, standard tube width, low trail, canti brake, 650b, carbon brush in the headrube, seat tube taillight braze-on, wireless front dropouts, Rivrandobike. Odds are, you won't get any of that from Rivendell except

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

It's a very good formula and looks like a great bike. It will probably have a wider market than the proto Appaloosa. On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 1:24:08 PM UTC-5, drew wrote: > > yeah, my understanding is that this is basically a sam with wider > clearances and cantis. ... > -- You receiv

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They have not done a production long chainstay frame for individual sale , like the one I linked above, or like Leisl's custom . No, the Clems don't count as they were budgeted as complete bikes only and very limited in sizing. As for low trail , how long can you hold your breath ? Ahahaha

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

I'm holding out for a super light tubing, standard tube width, low trail, canti brake, 650b, carbon brush in the headrube, seat tube taillight braze-on, wireless front dropouts, Rivrandobike. They have done everything but, I think, so far. MTN, all road, road, touring, country, single speed, M

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Could be. But if this does everything and more, that would be a lot of redundancy. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Daniel D. wrote: > But folks at riv keep on mentioning that the Sam is in fact coming back > next year? > > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 6:45:21 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrot

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

yeah, my understanding is that this is basically a sam with wider clearances and cantis. im trying to remember the conversation i had with them about it and im pretty sure that it's gonna be made by maxway and priced like a sam... then again, i also remember something about it being sold as com

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

But folks at riv keep on mentioning that the Sam is in fact coming back next year? On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 6:45:21 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > When a Riv model goes away, it never comes back (Legolas the partial > exception). So don't plan seeing a Hillborne anytime soon. > >

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When a Riv model goes away, it never comes back (Legolas the partial exception). So don't plan seeing a Hillborne anytime soon. But really, why should it come back if the Appaloosa is mostly the same bike but with wider clearances.? I think Sam geometry and a bike w/ wider tires is great (presumin

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

I hope this is not a "new" model as there is nothing to me that distinctive , like the "other" prototype apple-oos-a that has the extra long chainstays and swooping middle tube. That is very unique , the model listed is as it GP says a Sam with some extra clearance . I look forward t

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

I for one hope the prototype shown here is not going to be called a "new" model , as there isn't -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-own

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I'm interested to see how the pricing shakes out of these new Riv models... If the Appaloosa ends up looking like this web special why would they ever bring the Sam back in the line up. We've all been conditioned to want wider and wider tires after all. It's a great head badge to! Periodicall

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

A Sam by any other name. On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 1:33:23 AM UTC-5, Reid wrote: > > But getting back to the original subject, the Appaloosa, can anyone > compare it to known Riv models? One description on the web site says it's > like an Atlantis with upsloping head tube. So does that mean

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

But getting back to the original subject, the Appaloosa, can anyone compare it to known Riv models? One description on the web site says it's like an Atlantis with upsloping head tube. So does that mean Atlantis weight tubing rather than AHH weight tubing? Specs that allow for drop bars? Mostly

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I've gotten at most two flats on Big Bens in 2.4 years. They are great on dirt, not sure about gravel. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Surlyprof wrote: > > > We see mud only if we spill our drink in the dirt. Of course, if that drink > was water, the spill will be followe

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We see mud only if we spill our drink in the dirt. Of course, if that drink was water, the spill will be followed by the appropriate scornful looks. Thanks for posting the photos. How have the Big Bens been for flat protection and riding on gravel? Most of my commute is along a gravel path

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I ride Big Ben 50's on my Sam a lot, and it has sidepulls. It's why I think it's such an amazing bike. The 50's are the limit of the bike's tire clearance, and if there were mud, I'd have some interference problems. But do Californians know what mud is anymore? One of the shots shows a two mil

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

+1 on the maroon and creme. They don't do reds often but, when they do, they do it well. Can't justify the purchase when the bike looks so similar to my canti-Hillborne. I am wondering if this is a variation on the Hillborne with capability for wider tires. If so, that would be fantastic.

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Love that maroon w/cream On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, drew wrote: > > now there is a reddish 55cm up. am i looking at a hunq fork crown on these > guys? it seems like the slightly more affordable, slightly more off roady > line up they are working towards is gonna be pretty co

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

now there is a reddish 55cm up. am i looking at a hunq fork crown on these guys? it seems like the slightly more affordable, slightly more off roady line up they are working towards is gonna be pretty cool and well timed, trend wise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Garth "who's on first" is Junior Varsity compared to "Haddock's Eyes" from Lewis Carrol: LINK! On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 12:44:07 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: > > > Lol Bill . . . . this all reminds of "Who's on first" ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-5dPy

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

That 47 Proto frame is super-adorbs! KJ On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-4, Coconutbill wrote: > > To be more specific, there is a frame for sale in my size! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe fro

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Lol Bill . . . . this all reminds of "Who's on first" ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-5dPy1O3CQ On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > This is a great opportunity for one to wax philosophical about the role of > a name...to outline the nuances between re

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

This is a great opportunity for one to wax philosophical about the role of a name...to outline the nuances between reference, designation, identification, significationIs the name the thing? Is the name part of the thing? Is the name just how we refer to the thing? On Friday, August 28,

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

To be more specific, there is a frame for sale in my size! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

Thanks Bill ! So I'll consider a Appaloosa to mean "prototype" generically then , even though it bears nothing to do with the words meaning or origin . On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > You are only confused because it's kind of confusing. > > They've l

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

It's a 58cm Proto-loosa, isn't it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

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I would be interested in selling my 47cm Toyo Homer in order to afford the 47cm Proto-loosa, I am thinking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

You are only confused because it's kind of confusing. They've liked the name "Appaloosa" for a long while, and have several bike concepts in the pipeline. They fully developed the appaloosa name, by getting a badge made and presumably all the other decal work. So they are going to use that

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

I'm a bit confused I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have really long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake . This one : https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners B