Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

Based on what I have read about tires, there are different testors who have come out with their tire testing results. Whether the results are reliable and valid is contested by many. Each would probably say their tesults are reliable and valid, and give convincing arguments. So, at this point,

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

I'll report for my daughter, also. I put Jack Brown greens on her upright and she didn't like anything about them (she never thought they were fast enough, though her nature is fast), but I have to think the 60 tpi made a difference. She's ridden many miles on three sizes of Challenge on two

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if you run the pressures appropriately low, Challenge does a very good job of adding limited puncture resistance to fast cozy tires. I've put many thousand miles on them on 3 bikes. Their belts don't prevent flats, they just slow them down - it takes a couple of weeks for the glass shards to

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

Short of a comprehensive testing and measuring project, the only way to compare stiff to suppler to supplest is to try a lot of them. Come to think of it, without actual riding experience, even accurate numbers wouldn't mean much. But others posted their continuums earlier in the thread, no?

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sorry to bring up OT, but I'm reminded of a favorite Car and Driver editorial - speed v. velocity. 100 mph in an exotic GT is velocity. 100 mph in a bugeye Sprite is Speed. On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 6:44:43 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote: > > Funny how the sensation of being on the knife's

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I end up pacing with and meeting a lot of guys who are dialed into strava, measure their performance with it every ride, and shoot to improve that performance - even log-in and compare specific routes with other friends,. More power to them, and it's always good to meet other riders on the

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Funny how the sensation of being on the knife's edge of performance on a bike, with increased vibration and increased feel of the road surface is processed as "faster" in the brain. Sensory inputs that release the fight or flight substances in the brain must be at play. Scientific

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thanks Jan, in a way the casings thing is apples and oranges, in that, manufacturing vulcanized tires and hand-glued tires is apples and oranges. The casings that Jan worked out with Panaracer are special, and Panaracer has jumped on it in several new lines of tires. Since Jan brought up

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Interesting tread... and I am glad so many listmembers enjoy their Compass tires as much as we do. (We developed them for our own bikes, after all.) I'd like to clarify a few things about the TPI (threads per inch) of the Compass tires. The Extralight models actually use the thinnest casing

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strava's nice for tracking times. Looking at strava's graph showing a couple of years on the same route I can pick out which bike I was riding well enough to put money on it. Different tires, not quite... On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:39:36 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: > > That's a good

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

A drum test, but on irregular diamond plate surface rather than a smooth drum. On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 03/29/2016 04:21 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: > >> Ohhh, now check this out!! >> >>

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

Ron Mc and Steve Palincsar are right that drum testing is only a small piece of the puzzle, but I will point out to those two that this is the first time (that I know of) where a wide, thinwalll, low pressure tire has measured FASTER on a drum than skinny, hard, high-pressure tires. Normally,

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Aside from the question of speed, I did notice the tires listed here http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016

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We're all throwing out a lot of extremes for direct comparison on this thread, and trying to justify minor differences with empirical lab data that may or may not relate to the reality of the road. I will say the fastest tires I've lived with 320 tpi, 95 psi, 27mm (probably 26). But not

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

On 03/29/2016 04:21 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: Ohhh, now check this out!! http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016 Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure. This is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 nearly-slick

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Read again, rolling resistance ID only a small piece of the puzzle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Ohhh, now check this out!! http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016 Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure. This is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 nearly-slick tire, supposedly their fastest tire EVER (including

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

that would be more accurate than a dyno test on a tire, because there are a lot of road variables, including parachute factor, weight split between tires. My go-fast bike will lunge up grades in tall gears (Open Paves) with a fairly gentle mash, and I would want a lower gear and spin on a

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Would a suitable way of measuring this be testing tires with a power meter? IE: Same power output on the same stretch of road with the same wind conditions, then compare speed between tires? Or then again, who cares. Ride what makes you feel good :) On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Patrick

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good to break out to another thread. I don't have to bill 40 hours to be profitable. Also, my boss and I kind of tag-team, partly to cover our clients in diverse time zones, but also because I'm an early morning person and he's not. It's great that I can drive the highway at the times when I

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

I don't believe that this is nearly as true as claimed. At any rate, it certainly isn't my experience, which is instead ease of maintaining a given cadence in given conditions in given gears. In fact, my own "sense" of speed is much more tied to smoothness than vibration -- Elk Passes, Parigi

OT: Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

That's a good idea. I should bail out early to ride my bike, because otherwise I have no time to ride my bike, what with a new baby and trying to pack up the house to move. On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > another datapoint is making the same route and

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

That's true about the vibration. One other way of gauging resistance is to note the perceived effort it takes to sustain any given speed say 15 mph. I've been riding supple tires since late 2007 but one metric that I noticed right away when I switched from 700x28 Conti UltraGatorskins to Grand

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And is that compared to the regular Barlow or the Ultralight Barlow? On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > " I admit it was notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size > difference)," > > Ron Mc, > > When you say the Strada Biancas are notably

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Funny Steve I notice anywhere even as a "complaint" is registered , it's given so enthusiastically ! ! On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 2:14:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 03/23/2016 01:02 PM, Garth wrote: > > > >Isn't it funny . . . . we all read of people

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

I rode the Race Lite yestiddy, at least half on pavement. The Maxxis Ikons rode suprisingly well on pavement -- not as well as the road-fast F Freds, but very well give their heavy knobs. I attribute a good part of their rolling quality to the fact that I run the without tubes -- really, removing

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On 03/23/2016 01:02 PM, Garth wrote: Isn't it funny . . . . we all read of people trying out Riv bikes at their HQ and how wonderful they ride . Notice we don't hear "boy I wish it had supple tires" . The simple and profound joy of riding a bicycle transcends the make, model or

Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

The change in tire is very dramatic when going to a supple tire. You know the road buzz when you ride a mountain bike on pavement? You change that mountain bike tire to a slick and you go aah! --Do the same thing from an armored Schwalbe to a GB Hetre and the perceived result is just as

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I have 26 x 2.1" Thunder Burts (Evo Liteskin) on my '88 Schwinn KOM. They are surprisingly quiet and fast on pavement, no buzzing. They are just as quiet and grippy when cornering as the nearly-slick Super Motos. They fit great under SKS P65 longboards. I highly recommend Bike-discount.de for