Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Diane I. Hillmann wrote: I'd like to point those of you interested in the more technical side of discussions on RDA and FRBR to a conversation going on in the public Linked Library Data discussion list, starting here with a message from Karen Coyle:

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip It also goes well with the paradigm of all known retrieval systems, based as it is on the idea of the result set, resulting from a query that uses attributes of various kinds, and all of them can be viewed as attributes of items. Certain combinations of attributes

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Weinheimer Jim wrote: I don't know if I agree that the identification of the work has to be done somewhere. Perhaps in some formats (I am thinking primarily of music), it is more important than others, For classical music, it is indispensable. Apart from this, I think, one must certainly

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip For classical music, it is indispensable. Apart from this, I think, one must certainly retain it for prolific authors, difficult though they are to define. LibraryThing, from the outset, had no such notion. Later, however, they realized that some kind of grouping was

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Weinheimer Jim wrote: snip But first of all, liberate works that are now incarcerated inside all sorts of collections or multiparts (whose workness is somewhat dubious). Here, the notion of the (physical) item is really not the best of concepts, in terms of usability of the catalog, to base a

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Jo Hudson
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Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Keach
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Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Bernhard said: ,,, the idea of the result set In the past few months databases I search, e.g.: the LC online catalogue, TLC's ITS, Shaw Cable's Movie Central title search, seem to have switched to keyword, resulting in large result sets of irrelevant items which must be looked through for the

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Jim said: I remember working on single volume conference publications that could take days because each one had dozens of individual papers, and instead of one item, the single volume became 40 or 60 or more records. Picture a work/expression/manifestation record for each paper, and you have 180

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I've written about the set-theoretic view too, also crediting Svenonious: http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/frbr-considered-as-set-relationships/ (that one is short and sweet and recommend it) and

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bradley Allen
Jonathan- I need to correct you on one point below: I never suggested that one doesn't need records for WEMs; in fact, my intent in this post was to posit an environment where result sets could be electively reified into explicit records defined by the query, which in turn could have explicit

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip Jim said: I remember working on single volume conference publications that could take days because each one had dozens of individual papers, and instead of one item, the single volume became 40 or 60 or more records. Picture a work/expression/manifestation record for

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Ehlert
J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Won't FRBR result in even more unwanted item records being displayed? Will one be able to turn of FRBR display in OPACs?  I don't *need* to see the record for the Danish original of the murder mystery I want to read! How would the OPAC know to display only

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Tribby
How would the OPAC know to display only English-language books if you don't tell it beforehand, whether FRBR catalog or otherwise? If the search one initiated were on title spelled in English or on the title (spelled in English) in a keyword search? Perhaps the title in English as a keyword

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Stephen Hearn
On the point about reinventing--it's worth noting that Classical Archives succeeds by being more rigorous, more uniform, and more extensive in its use of what librarians would call uniform title data--form terms, instrumentation, etc.--than librarians are. So maybe it doesn't matter whether the

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast No. 4: The Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records, a personal journey, part 2

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
All, Apologies for cross-posting. I have just made another podcast of Cataloging Matters, which is part 2 of my personal journey with FRBR. It is available on my blog at: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/2010/09/cataloging-matters-podcast-no-4.html, along with the transcript. Please