The Canberra Times
Thursday, 9 March, 2000
Herron used security chief to probe black groups
By ABAN CONTRACTOR
The Federal Government admitted yesterday it had called in the
nation's top security watchdog to probe the affairs of Aboriginal
groups.
Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron
THE AGE
A language of leadership Howard will never
learn
By MORAG FRASER
Sunday 5 March 2000
HERE is one kind of leadership, the kind understood and demonstrated by
East
Timorese resistance leader Xanana Gusmao in his just-published
autobiography, To
Resist is to Win:
"I have learned on
Of course, we're looking forward to hearing from the participants!
Trudy
National
9:47 am AEST March 5 2000
Mardi gras embraces reconciliation, protests tampon tax
AAP -- Sydney's Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade embraced two political
themes last night, with the
message to the federal
ABC News
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:55 AEDT
Stolen Generation [sic] given
access to records
For the first time, members of Australia's so-called
Stolen Generations will have unrestricted access
to Commonwealth records concerning Aboriginal
people.
An agreement has been signed between the
National
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
Media Release: Apunipima Cape York Health Council
March 6 2000
State Government Fails Cape York on Grog
The Apunipima Cape York Health Council today urged Commonwealth
intervention to provide urgently needed alcohol
abuse facilities in the Cape York region.
Magistrate criticises mandatory sentencing
Source: AAP | Published: Thursday March 9, 2:32 PM
A magistrate working under the Northern Territory's mandatory sentencing
regime has publicly criticised aspects of the
controversial laws.
Magistrate Alasdair McGregor today said with courts no longer
Karen Crook wrote:
I do understand the story and it is very sad. Over time most people never forget but they do move on. It's not about whether the other person or their
children apologise, it is about yourself becoming stronger and moving on with life. Everyone has suffered some sort of
of being a white person on this land, and I am planning
to do some workshops in schools in Adelaide singing and discussing this
stuff. Would you mind if I use your scenario?THanks
againAnnette
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Pryor's cartoon in the Canberra Times is at the URL above.
Trudy
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Letters
Friday, March 10, 2000
Blick report on Aboriginal bodies
I AM WRITING to express my disappointment with your journalist's
unprofessional approach and factually wrong article "Herron used
security chief to probe black groups'' (March 9, p.3). The Blick report
ABC News
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:03 CDT
LOCAL NEWS : Northern Territory
Pregnant woman facing
mandatory sentence after
stealing food
A pregnant woman from Central Australia may
be jailed under the Northern Territory's
mandatory sentencing laws for allegedly
stealing food and a pram from her
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
ATSIC Media Release 9 March 2000
Minister joins ATSIC Deputy Chairman to launch
new Indigenous Radio Station
Federal Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs Minister, Senator
John
Herron, will join ATSIC Deputy Chairman Ray Robinson to officially open
new
I wonder how much the government spent on lobbying the UNCHR for a tame
report? --- Trudy
UN provides Australia with mandatory sentencing advice
Source: AAP | Published: Monday March 13, 3:49 PM
The United Nations has reminded the Australian
Yes, Lance Kelly also left but he did not give his reasons.
Trudy
karyn fearnside wrote:
Trudy,
did Lance Kelly also leave, and if so did you find out what his reasons
were?
yes it is awful that Peter had to leave.
karyn
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Get Your
A Well Founded
Fear of
Persecution
ABC TV: Monday, March 13,
8.30pm
Repeated: Tuesday, March 14,
1pm
MEN accused of no crime put in
jail, bound and gagged, verbally
abused, forcibly and repeatedly
injected.
This litany of alleged human rights
violations comes not from some
Third World
There are some very good letters to the editor you might
want to take a look at at the URL below
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/11/text/letters.html
Trudy
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I am sorry to have to report that Peter McGrath has left Recoznet2.
Sandy and I both tried to get him to change his mind but to no avail.
Peter's reasons for leaving were, among others, that he thought we were
becoming a very insular group with no tolerance for views other than our
own. He
Does anyone know who is sending these off-topic posts to Recoznet2?
I have tried to get us taken off the list but the people at the address in Denmark
insist we're not
subscribed to their list.
This means that someone is forwarding it and hiding their own address. If it is
someone on this list,
Karen,
I don't know why you are so defensive about your age. There are many
young people on the list. Some younger than you are.
You ask why an apology is necessary and how it will make reconciliation
work. An apology is only a part of reconciliation but a very necessary
part.
Let me pose you a
large majority (over 50%) of Australians
agreed with John Howard??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray
Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!
I am forwarding Graham Young's message which bounced because it was too
long. Please, everyone remember to remove the older parts of messages
that are not needed for clarity.
Trudy
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Karen,
I am sorry that you feel that I was attacking you. That wasn't my =
The Sydney Morning Herald
Editorial: Punishment on principle
Date: 14/03/2000
THE division within the Senate committee on mandatory sentencing is a
measure of how easily side issues can contaminate a question of
principle. The minority report by the two Liberal senators, Helen Coonan
and Marise
Hi everyone,
I have asked this before but people just seem to forget or not care -
would you please not post in HTML to Recoznet2?
Some people's email systems can't handle it and for ease of
discussion, it is impossible to cut into to address specific points.
There is no need for HTML unless
Graham,
Here is an expanded list from one of this morning's articles:
"Moderate number cruncher Mr Christopher Pyne confirmed in a statement
that moderates would not support the Senate legislation.
Mr Pyne did not return calls yesterday, nor did other Liberal
dissidents. They include NSW
Fwd:
Issued today to Australian media from the International Secretariat of
Amnesty International:
News Service 048/00
AI INDEX: ASA 12/03/00
14 March 2000
Crunch time for children's human rights in Australia
As Australia's Senators debate mandatory
Report reveals physical abuse of young detainees in NSW
centre
Source: AAP | Published: Tuesday March 14, 2:20 PM
A damning report into the causes of four riots at a NSW juvenile
detention centre last year has revealed a culture of
physical and verbal abuse of detainees by staff.
The report
Coalition backbenchers abandon mandatory jailing bills
Source: AAP | Published: Wednesday March 15, 4:52 PM
Prime Minister John Howard derailed federal attempts to overturn
mandatory sentencing today when government backbenchers
agreed to abandon two legislative attacks on the Northern
The Sydney Morning Herald
Inside the Liberal defeat of liberals
Date: 16/03/00
By MIKE SECCOMBE
By the time yesterday's fractious special meeting of the Liberal and
National parties had ended, so had any prospect of Federal
Government action to override the Northern Territory's mandatory
ABC News
Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:37 AEDT
Govt gags Beazley's bill to
overturn mandatory
sentencing
The Federal Government has gagged debate on a
bill introduced by the Opposition leader Kim
Beazley to override mandatory sentencing laws for
juveniles.
The Government yesterday effectively shelved
ABC News
Thur, 16 Mar 2000 11:46 CDT
LOCAL NEWS : Alice Springs
Historian claims federation
hurt Aborigines
A leading University of New South Wales
historian says Federation was a significant step
backwards for Aboriginal rights.
Bruce Scates says before 1900, many
Aborigines had the right
and having crazy fun.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray
Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2000 9:21 AM
To: RecOzNet2
Subject: [recoznet2] Funny but very scary!
There was a brilliant example of polls and ignorance on last night's
The Sydney Morning Herald
Revealed: human rights whitewash
Date: 17/03/00
By MARK RILEY, Herald Correspondent in New York
Politically explosive findings that placed Australia in direct violation
of international human rights conventions were dumped from a
United Nations report on mandatory
THE AGE
Howard damned on four fronts
By MICHAEL GORDON
Friday 17 March 2000
The Howard Government stands condemned for its blatant expediency,
hypocrisy,
inconsistency and cant on the issue of mandatory sentencing.
Expediency, because it is prepared to use the weight of numbers in its
party
If anyone wants to send a white feather to the MPs and Senators who
misplaced their consciences when the crunch came but can't get any
physical white feathers, I have a jpeg of a white feather which can be
sent in an email.
Let me know if you want me to forward it. If you send it, make sure you
Bruce Baird MP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kerry Bartlett MP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christine Gallus MP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Petro Georgiou MP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brendan Nelson MP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter Nugent MP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christopher Pyne MP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Danna Vale MP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Senator
? Even today's stories in
the SMH might cause some to rethink.You
know what they say about a drop of honey being better than a gallon of
gall.Graham Y
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Trudy
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AM
Subject: [recoznet2] Email addresses
of MPs
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/17/pageone/pageone2.html
Should the Prime Minister allow a conscience vote on mandatory
sentencing?
Trudy
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Funny, how people see things differently! ;-)
When I heard him say that last night, I thought it was a Howard inspired cop-out. This
is just the sort of
thing Howard would say to confuse the issue and misdirect the focus of what was really
being discussed.
IF, and it's a big 'if', politicians
ABC News
Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:03 AEDT
Liberal rules out crossing
floor on sentencing
A key Federal Liberal MP, Brendan Nelson, has
ruled out crossing the floor to overturn mandatory
sentencing laws for juveniles.
Brendan Nelson is one of several MPs who
strongly oppose mandatory sentencing, who
Hi Tim,
I searched high and low for that letter in the print edition and the online version
and it has not been
published. Maybe they will do so tomorrow for the weekend edition but if they don't, I
will contact the
Herald and ask about it.
Trudy
tdunlop wrote:
PS: Trudy: Have you come
tdunlop wrote:
My only point was really to address the question of how we
know we are right about something, but maybe that wasn't clear. To that
extent Nelson's comments were interesting, even if they apparently duped
people like me.
I wasn't implying you were duped. People who care and
life stuff? A lot
of things get over-exaggerated.
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This was the result
Letters: Clever politics or pandering to prejudice?
Date: 18/03/00
The inability of the national political process to achieve
reconciliation with indigenous Australians and to terminate mandatory
sentencing provides a disturbing insight into the practical operation
of the simplistic notion that
The Sydney Morning Herald
Liberals have lost their conscience
Date: 18/03/00
Late last year Amnesty International wrote to Philip Ruddock, the
Minister for Immigration, and asked that he no longer wear his AI
lapel badge when speaking in his capacity as Federal minister.
The private letter
Original Message
Subject: Urgent Attention - CERD Submissions
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:23:19 -0800 (PST)
From: ffionnan brooke-watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Friends,
Reminder
Press Conference and Launch
Monday 20th March '00
11:30am
Parliament House - at the
ABC News
Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:34 AEDT
Ruddock asked not to wear
Amnesty's badge of honour
Amnesty International has publicly asked
Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock to remove his
membership badge during ministerial duties.
The human rights organisation has accused Mr
Ruddock of bringing
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?
ATSIC has joined civil liberties groups and Queensland's Anti
Discrimination
Commissioner in warning of a massive increase in arbitrary and
unappealable
police powers, including controversial new "move on"
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
Friday 17/3/00 : ATSIC Media Release
Protecting children from the foolishness of adults
News that there won't be any government support for a private member's
bill
exempting children from the Northern Territory's mandatory sentencing
regime
is a cause for
ABC News
Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:38 AEDT
ATSIC says mandatory
sentencing killing
reconciliation
The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
Commission's (ATSIC) southern zone
commissioner for the Northern Territory, says the
Federal Government's approach to mandatory
sentencing is killing the
No, Susanne, that is what made me decide to contact Laurie. It was her
expressed intention to use personal attack (rather than attack a point
of view) as a way to further the cause of Indigenous Australians and her
intention to do so on the list whenever she felt justified that made me
decide to
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. It explains a lot.
Karen Crook wrote:
Yes
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Police State?
To which 'both sides' are you
Just a reminder to cut the extraneous bits off any message that you
answer please! We don't want to fill the archives with endless repeats
when the space could be better utilised. I will try to remember also!
;-)
Trudy
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I didn't see a personal attack, Karen.
Jack painted a scenario because you left everyone wondering. You haven't
been exactly honest with us, have you?
You have defended the police without telling us you weren't a
disinterested bystander. You have refused to acknowledge that the police
sometimes
Tim,
I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that they are not just my
reasons. There are others on this list who have no trouble with the
rules and expect them to be followed. They were there from the
beginning.
I think to ban flaming is the least we can ask from each other and as
for who
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please also remember
I will try to address as many issues that have been brought up as
possible.
First of all, when Bruce was going to leave the list in limbo, there was
a yawning silence from all members. Some spoke up and wanted to keep it
going but noone except Paul and me stepped in to keep it going. Paul is
Laurie and I have agreed to disagree about methods but we have reached
common ground that we both can live with so Laurie will be rejoining us.
I hereby want to welcome Laurie back.
Trudy
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[For anyone who missed it - it will be shown again at 1:00 pm today on
ABC TV ---T]
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
from the Jabiluka List:
For everyone who saw this excellent piece of investigative journalism,
it's
happening all over the country. The whole story with Kingstream is so
similar
Laurie,
Laurie Forde wrote:
Hi Rod,
(snip)
Thanks very much for keeping me informed and springing to my defence so
rapidly the other day, Rod.
I am sure that the nature of your early intervention got me back in" the
circle".
Actually, Laurie, that had nothing to do with it. I
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
Dept of Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander Policy Development Press
Release
Old Island way recognised in new council system
March 17, 2000
The local council electors of Saibai Island in Torres Strait will be the
first Queenslanders to vote under a system
The Canberra Times - Letters to the editor (including one by John Bond!)
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news2/opinion/opinion1.shtml
The Sydney Morning Herald - Letters to the editor
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/22/text/letters.html
Trudy
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World
9:34 am AEST March 22 2000
Mandatory laws worsen plight of Aborigines, UN tells Ruddock
AAP -- Levels of Aboriginal incarceration in the Northern Territory were
already unacceptably high and
mandatory sentencing had worsened the plight of indigenous people, an
Australian government
National Aboriginal broadcast launched
From AAP
22mar00
2.15pm (AEDT) AUSTRALIA'S first national Aboriginal radio
broadcast will go to air tonight as Western Australia joins the
national indigenous radio service.
The broadcast will go out live from Broome, in the Kimberley
region,
Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing
at:
http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml
Trudy
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UN continues to question mandatory sentencing
Source: AAP | Published: Thursday March 23, 5:03 AM
LONDON, March 22 - Mandatory sentencing legislation 'conflicted with the
norms of justice', the UN's main race
committee said today as it continued its examination of race relations
in Australia.
INSIGHT on SBS at 8:30 pm March 23, 2000 (tonight)
Belinda Hawkins examines the philosophies underpinning the strategies of
three contemporary indigenous leaders: Jacqui Katona, Geoff Clark and
Senator Aden Ridgeway.
Trudy
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Truth is a pathless land. ---
), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics).
Sandy
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote:
Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing
at:
http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml
Trudy
I posted this URL
Original Message
Subject: LL:DDV: URGENT ACTION!! FRIDAY 24/3
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:08:21 +1100
From: Pauline Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URGENT URGENT URGENT
(Please urgently email this to your networks)
National Coalition
The only other minister who can look so benign while lying so
outrageously is Robert Hill. I think Howard's choice of Ruddock as the
man responsible for reconciliation illustrates very clearly what
Howard's real position on reconciliation is.
Trudy
The Sydney Morning Herald
Fewer Aborigines
NT leader jeered over sentencing laws
Source: AAP | Published: Friday March 24, 11:15 AM
Northern Territory Chief Minister Denis Burke was berated by
demonstrators as he entered an attorneys-general
conference in Melbourne set to consider a motion condemning his
mandatory sentencing laws.
A
This is *very* strong language for the UN!
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
The following list gives a summary of the final observations of CERD.
The
numbers in parenthesis refers to the paragraph numbers in the full
report.
(which is below the summary ch)
CONCLUDING OBSERVATIONS ON
Original Message
Subject: Oh Dear, Our Colonial Cringe is Exposed...
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:27:35 +0800
From: "Jim Duffield" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/25/pageone/pageone10.html
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Sometimes it's not easy
GOVT RULES OUT INTERVENTION
From AAP
25mar00
The federal Government has firmly ruled out overriding mandatory
sentencing laws and says it's lodged a formal complaint with the
United Nations over its damning report on race relations in
Australia.
Federal Attorney-General Daryl
Williams
THE AGE
UN race committee 'biased' on sentencing
By BRENDAN NICHOLSON .
POLITICAL REPORTER
Sunday 26 March 2000
The Federal Government says there is no point in the United Nations race
relations
committee visiting Australia because it is clearly biased.
Late on Friday the UN Committee on
ABC News
Sun, 26 Mar 2000 8:29 AEDT
Time to set record straight on
Aboriginal corporations:
minister
A former Uniting Church minister from the Northern
Territory says it is about time the Australian public
was made more aware of the results of a review of
Aboriginal corporations.
Jim Dowling
I am forwarding this answer from Karen Crook to Don Clarke to the list because
it bounced for being too long. This, despite me asking for extraneous stuff to
be cut from the bottom of messages. Bounced mail goes to my old address (I
haven't figured out how to change that yet) so this is a little
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