Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread David Masover
Hans Reiser wrote: David Masover wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: Hubert Chan wrote: On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:06:19 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hubert Chan wrote: The main thing blocking file-as-dir is that there are some locking(IIRC?)

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread Hans Reiser
David Masover wrote: Now, can anyone think of a situation where we want user-created hardlinks inside metadata? More importantly, what do we do about it? I think the equivalent of symlinks would be good enough to get by on for now for most linking of metafiles. Maybe some years from now

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread Hans Reiser
I got it slightly wrong. One can have hardlinks to a directory without cycles provided that one does not have hardlinks from the children of that directory to any file not a child of that directory. (Mountpoints currently implement that restriction.) Question: can one implement that lesser

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread Hans Reiser
If we also add to this the restriction that once you create the file part of a file-directory, you can never hardlink to a child of it, it should then all work, yes? So, /filename//owner should be able to avoid colliding with any common names by virtue of the '', and not letting any

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread Alexander G. M. Smith
Hans Reiser wrote on Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:56:02 -0700: One can have hardlinks to a directory without cycles provided that one does not have hardlinks from the children of that directory to any file not a child of that directory. (Mountpoints currently implement that restriction.) Question:

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread Hubert Chan
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:50:08 -0400 EDT, Alexander G. M. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That sounds equivalent to no hard links (other than the usual parent directory one). If there's any directory with two links to it, then there will be a cycle somewhere! What we want is no directed cycles.

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-05 Thread Neil Brown
On Tuesday July 5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got it slightly wrong. One can have hardlinks to a directory without cycles provided that one does not have hardlinks from the children of that directory to any file not a child of that directory. (Mountpoints currently implement that

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread malcolm
On Monday 04 July 2005 05:42, Hans Reiser wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: Right. But, /proc started somewhere, didn't it? Sun. No, plan 9. Actually, I heard a lecture on implementing /proc in BSD at least 5 years earlier than plan 9. It seems to me that what you are all arguing about is

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread Hans Reiser
malcolm wrote: On Monday 04 July 2005 05:42, Hans Reiser wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: Right. But, /proc started somewhere, didn't it? Sun. No, plan 9. Actually, I heard a lecture on implementing /proc in BSD at least 5 years earlier than plan 9.

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 08:42:24PM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: Right. But, /proc started somewhere, didn't it? Sun. No, plan 9. Almost on the right track, it was v8, two steps before plan9. But that's just the process-part of procfs, not the big mess we have now - that part is

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread David Masover
Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 03:08:58AM -0500, David Masover wrote: David Weinehall wrote: GNOME and KDE run on operating systems that run other kernels than Linux, hence they have to implement their own

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread David Masover
Horst von Brand wrote: Kevin Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So, for instance, if I want to grab all mp3s with Artist Paul Oakenfold and change the genre to techno (can you do that?), I can use Beagle's search tool to find all mp3s by Oakenfold, but to change the genre, I have to use

RE: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread Martin Fouts
; Christoph Hellwig; Andrew Morton; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; ReiserFS List Subject: Re: reiser4 plugins Horst von Brand wrote: Right. But, /proc started somewhere, didn't it? Sun. No, plan 9.

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-04 Thread Horst von Brand
David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 03:08:58AM -0500, David Masover wrote: David Weinehall wrote: [...] Even if they don't, it would be more beneficial to me How, exactly?

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-03 Thread Horst von Brand
Kevin Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So, for instance, if I want to grab all mp3s with Artist Paul Oakenfold and change the genre to techno (can you do that?), I can use Beagle's search tool to find all mp3s by Oakenfold, but to change the genre, I have to use some separate tool

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-03 Thread Horst von Brand
David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 03:08:58AM -0500, David Masover wrote: David Weinehall wrote: GNOME and KDE run on operating systems that run other kernels than Linux, hence they have to implement their own userland VFS anyway. Adding

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-02 Thread Pierre Etchemaïté
Le Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:08:20 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi all, Metafs also avoids having to patch tar. It's assumed that legacy backup systems can always avoid metafs and still catch almost everything important, and certainly everything they already do catch. With a

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-02 Thread David Masover
Pierre Etchemaïté wrote: Le Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:08:20 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi all, Metafs also avoids having to patch tar. It's assumed that legacy backup systems can always avoid metafs and still catch almost everything important, and certainly everything they

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Horst von Brand wrote: Kevin Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The desire amongst users for ubiquitous metadata is very real - the current wave of desktop search products and technologies demonstrates this - Just like each

backup (was Re: reiser4 plugins)

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Dmitry Torokhov wrote: On 6/30/05, Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 04:12:38PM -0500, David Masover wrote: Streamload cannot warrant and does not guarantee, and You should not expect, that all of Your private communications and other personal

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Zan Lynx wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 14:47 -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: [snip] [snip-some-more] Structured files are fine when they're small but quickly become disgusting as they get bigger. Either you slowly rewrite the whole thing or you fast save by writing new sections to the end of it

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread Chet Hosey
Horst von Brand wrote: Kevin Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and think about it just limited to a user's home directory, and the storage and organization of actual *data* (as opposed to system files). Who is to say what is data

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Hubert Chan wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:29:56 +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 12:33:10AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: It's sort of like the way web servers handle index.html, for those who think it's a stupid idea. (Of course, some people may still

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Hubert Chan wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:34:41 -0400, Ross Biro [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm confused. Can someone on one of these lists enlighten me? How is directories as files logically any different than putting all data into .data files and making all files directories (yes you

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread Hans Reiser
Wow. Good that you noticed it. It sounds like they have the business model of an intelligence agency. Hans Theodore Ts'o wrote: If you are using the free service, and are encrypting the data, you are explicitly violating their terms of service, and they can delete your data at any time,

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread Hans Reiser
Dmitry Torokhov wrote: If you are using the free service, and are encrypting the data, you are explicitly violating their terms of service, and they can delete your data at any time, once they notice. Does not look like it: 3c. No encryption and/or steganography for the purpose of

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
David Weinehall wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 04:58:20PM +0300, Markus Törnqvist wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 09:50:27AM -0400, Douglas McNaught wrote: I'll just note that the applications bundled as directories stuff on MacOS/NextStep is done completely in userspace--as far as the

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Horst von Brand wrote: Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Note that MacOS has the monopoly on what they ship, Linux has a motherload of file managers and window systems and all. Yep. Part of what is nice about it, too ;-) What pisses me off is the fact that Gnome and

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread Hans Reiser
It was always the expectation that users would want to have one mountpoint with the files having metafiles as files, and another with the same files but strictly posix, and then their apps can use whichever they have the power to understand. Hans David Masover wrote: Hubert Chan wrote: On

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Hans Reiser wrote: It was always the expectation that users would want to have one mountpoint with the files having metafiles as files, and another with the same files but strictly posix, and then their apps can use whichever they have the power to understand. It was never in the early betas I

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread Hans Reiser
David Masover wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: It was always the expectation that users would want to have one mountpoint with the files having metafiles as files, and another with the same files but strictly posix, and then their apps can use whichever they have the power to understand. It was

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:22:55 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Come to think of it, that changes the proposal a bit. You need a different way to access the meta-dir for files than for directories, if we're going to support /meta/vfs. No biggie:

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:59:03 -0400, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Jun 28, 2005, at 13:51:04, Hubert Chan wrote: I don't know if VFS is the right place for it, but I agree that it would be good to make it accessible to all filesystems. That's somewhat of a

Re: reiser4 or qmail problem?

2005-07-01 Thread Dancho
many thanks i try with 2.6.12-mm2 On Thursday 30 June 2005 16:00, Vladimir Saveliev wrote: Hello On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 12:56, Dancho wrote: Hello, I use reiser4 in small mail server. After 102 days uptime the computer stopped responding. In the syslog the following message

Re: backup (was Re: reiser4 plugins)

2005-07-01 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Rule #3 from http://www.streamload.com/About/Legal_eng.asp?page=id73# is pretty clear about what applies if you have a trial account (which seems to be what you have since you say you'll cancel your account if they charge you anything): 3. Do not circumvent Freeloader download restrictions.

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Weinehall
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 03:08:58AM -0500, David Masover wrote: David Weinehall wrote: GNOME and KDE run on operating systems that run other kernels than Linux, hence they have to implement their own userland VFS anyway. Adding this to the Linux kernel won't help them one bit, unless we can

Re: backup (was Re: reiser4 plugins)

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
Theodore Ts'o wrote: Rule #3 from http://www.streamload.com/About/Legal_eng.asp?page=id73# is pretty clear about what applies if you have a trial account (which seems to be what you have since you say you'll cancel your account if they charge you anything): 3. Do not circumvent Freeloader

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread David Masover
David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 03:08:58AM -0500, David Masover wrote: David Weinehall wrote: GNOME and KDE run on operating systems that run other kernels than Linux, hence they have to implement their own userland VFS anyway. Adding this to the Linux kernel won't help them

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-07-01 Thread Kevin Bowen
Could you please explain in plain english? The only part I get out is propietary API, and I don't see anybody advocating such here. Proprietary was a poor choice of words on my part. I don't understand it much, but I think the point being made is that ... So, for instance, if I want to

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread David Weinehall
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 12:33:10AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:04:58 -0700, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ross Biro wrote: How is directories as files logically any different than putting all data into .data files and making all files directories (yes you would

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Markus T�rnqvist
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 10:56:36PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: FreeDesktop is doing a lot of work to make GNOME, KDE, and other DE:s interoperate as much as possible. Support their initiative What about WindowMaker with bash? instead of trying to get a monstrosity (albeit a very cool one,

Re: reiser4 or qmail problem?

2005-06-30 Thread Vladimir Saveliev
Hello On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 12:56, Dancho wrote: Hello, I use reiser4 in small mail server. After 102 days uptime the computer stopped responding. In the syslog the following message appeared: Jun 30 09:09:06 parhelia kernel: reiser4[qmail-queue(18124)]: commit_current_atom

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Markus T�rnqvist
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 05:05:06PM +0400, Nikita Danilov wrote: You will have to force user level to use common framework anyway. Naturally. Otherwise one application will use ~/pictures/sunset.jpg/...meta/mime-type and another one

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Markus T�rnqvist
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 07:18:47PM +0400, Nikita Danilov wrote: Sorry, I don't see your point. Again: if you think that user level developers are unlikely to agree to the common framework, what difference it makes whether this framework is defined at the kernel or library boundary? Applications

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Hubert Chan
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:29:56 +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 12:33:10AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: It's sort of like the way web servers handle index.html, for those who think it's a stupid idea. (Of course, some people may still think it's a stupid

Re: Reiser4 + seekdir()

2005-06-30 Thread Vladimir Saveliev
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 22:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:22:05 +0400, Vladimir Saveliev said: Existence of various plugins assumes that user is able to choose whatever is suitable for him. Or create his own plugin if none of existing ones satisfies him. If user

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread David Weinehall
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 11:57:27AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:29:56 +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 12:33:10AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: It's sort of like the way web servers handle index.html, for those who think it's a stupid

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Horst von Brand
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 11:57:27AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:29:56 +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] From the web *browser*'s point of view, it is handled by the filesystem (which is provided by the

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Hubert Chan
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:10:57 +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For the analogy to be complete: User has a file browser (say Nautilus) The file browser sees the userland VFS (say a unified VFS between GNOME and KDE) The VFS sees the real file system I would say that this only

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Diego Calleja
El Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:37:38 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Törnqvist) escribió: If I want to access metadata with bash, do I patch bash to support both Gnome's and KDE's solutions? Was there one of XFCE too? And FooBarXyzzyWM that'll want to do it's own VFS next year? The freedesktop

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Horst von Brand
Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 07:18:47PM +0400, Nikita Danilov wrote: Sorry, I don't see your point. Again: if you think that user level developers are unlikely to agree to the common framework, what difference it makes whether this framework is defined

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On 6/30/05, Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: instead of trying to get a monstrosity (albeit a very cool one, conceptually) into the kernel. Sure, it could be made to work, but not without dropping our Unixness. And if we do, we should start by looking at Plan 9 =) What's

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Kevin Bowen
might be nice to have on exclusively one-user, isolated machines, like keep /my/ annotations/icon/application name/whatever with the file's data, but that break down in multiuser (even serially, one user after the If this is really the core of your (and the rest of the reiser- obstructionist

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Zan Lynx
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 14:47 -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: [snip] Let me moderate that a bit: I'd be happy to have (some) files behaving strangely, /if in exchange I get something very worthwhile/. I.e., Unix filesystem sockets, named pipes, virtual filesystems all behave in weird ways, but

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 04:12:38PM -0500, David Masover wrote: Streamload cannot warrant and does not guarantee, and You should not expect, that all of Your private communications and other personal information will never be disclosed in ways not otherwise described in this

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
On 6/30/05, Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 04:12:38PM -0500, David Masover wrote: Streamload cannot warrant and does not guarantee, and You should not expect, that all of Your private communications and other personal information will never be

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 6/27/05, Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I hate to say this without digging out any URLs, but one friend of mine says he has a very hard time doing any networking code because it's too labile. Maybe that's being embettered for something else too? Or the other friend

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Chet Hosey
Horst von Brand wrote: I think you probably meant to reply publicly. I'm taking the liberty of CC'ing the two mailing lists to which I'd replied. Chet Hosey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point of such ventures is that by placing features at a lower level you get to keep the advantages of

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-30 Thread Horst von Brand
Kevin Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: might be nice to have on exclusively one-user, isolated machines, like keep /my/ annotations/icon/application name/whatever with the file's data, but that break down in multiuser (even serially, one user after the If this is really the core of your (and

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-29 Thread Pekka Enberg
Andrew Morton wrote: There's also the custom list, hash and debug code. We should either a) remove them or b) generify them and submit as standalone works or c) justify them as custom-to-reiser4 and leave them as-is. On 6/29/05, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: either b) or c)

Re: Reiser4 + seekdir()

2005-06-29 Thread Vladimir Saveliev
Hello On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 10:51, Artem B. Bityuckiy wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: thanks Artem. If you are generous enough to help us with those comments and renames, I'll take a patch to do it. If you are too busy though, vs, can you fix it? Hans, I may prepare and send a patch once

Re: Reiser4 + seekdir()

2005-06-29 Thread Artem B. Bityuckiy
Vladimir Saveliev wrote: Existence of various plugins assumes that user is able to choose whatever is suitable for him. Or create his own plugin if none of existing ones satisfies him. If user cares a lot about using telldir/seekdir he is supposed to choose SEEKABLE_HASHED_DIR_PLUGIN_ID. Hmm...

Re: Reiser4 + seekdir()

2005-06-29 Thread Vladimir Saveliev
Hello On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 14:29, Artem B. Bityuckiy wrote: Vladimir Saveliev wrote: Existence of various plugins assumes that user is able to choose whatever is suitable for him. Or create his own plugin if none of existing ones satisfies him. If user cares a lot about using

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Horst von Brand
Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Of course. With file-as-dir, you can cd /usr/games/tetris/... and mess with the game files, or you can run /usr/games/tetris and get on with ... stacking blocks. And doing tar cf /dev/tape /usr/games/tetris gives you a nice tangle of undecipherable

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Douglas McNaught
Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, this change does require file managers to understand default actions when it's ambiguous what to do on a double-click -- but MacOS X has that too,

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Markus Törnqvist
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 09:50:27AM -0400, Douglas McNaught wrote: I'll just note that the applications bundled as directories stuff on MacOS/NextStep is done completely in userspace--as far as the kernel is concerned, Mail.app is a regular directory. The file manager handles recognition and

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Horst von Brand
Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Note that MacOS has the monopoly on what they ship, Linux has a motherload of file managers and window systems and all. Yep. Part of what is nice about it, too ;-) What pisses me off is the fact that Gnome and friends implement their own

Re: Reiser4 + seekdir()

2005-06-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:22:05 +0400, Vladimir Saveliev said: Existence of various plugins assumes that user is able to choose whatever is suitable for him. Or create his own plugin if none of existing ones satisfies him. If user cares a lot about using telldir/seekdir he is supposed to choose

torturing filesystems [was Re: reiser4 plugins]

2005-06-29 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! Alan, this is FUD. Our V3 fsck was written after everything else was, for lack of staffing reasons (why write an fsck before you have an FS worth using). As a result, there was a long period where the fsck code was unstable. It is reliable now. People often think that our

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! I was able to recover from bad blocks, though of course no Reiser that I know of has had bad block relocation built in... But I got all my files off of it, fortunately. My experience shows that you've been very, very lucky. I hope r4 is better in that regard. If you want to try

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:58:20 +0300, Markus =?UNKNOWN?Q?T=F6rnqvist?= said: What pisses me off is the fact that Gnome and friends implement their own incompatible-with-others VFS's and automounters and stuff. The fact that things like Gnome, which are basically consumers of their own dogfood,

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Thomas Rösner
Hi, I hereby throw myself into the neverending flames called reiser4 plugins - may it please the gods. David Masover (who really could use pgp mime attatchments): So, the API becomes something like: cat crypto/inflated/foo # transparently decompressed cat crypto/raw/foo.gz

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:09:05 -0400, Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Of course. With file-as-dir, you can cd /usr/games/tetris/... and mess with the game files, or you can run /usr/games/tetris and get on with ... stacking blocks. And

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread David Weinehall
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 04:58:20PM +0300, Markus Törnqvist wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 09:50:27AM -0400, Douglas McNaught wrote: I'll just note that the applications bundled as directories stuff on MacOS/NextStep is done completely in userspace--as far as the kernel is concerned,

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:19:12 -0400, Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Note that MacOS has the monopoly on what they ship, Linux has a motherload of file managers and window systems and all. Yep. Part of what is nice about it, too ;-) I

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Ross Biro
On 6/29/05, Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:09:05 -0400, Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And doing tar cf /dev/tape /usr/games/tetris gives you a nice tangle of undecipherable junk. I'm confused. Can

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-29 Thread Hans Reiser
Pekka Enberg wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: There's also the custom list, hash and debug code. We should either a) remove them or b) generify them and submit as standalone works or c) justify them as custom-to-reiser4 and leave them as-is. On 6/29/05, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Chet Hosey
David Weinehall wrote: GNOME and KDE run on operating systems that run other kernels than Linux, hence they have to implement their own userland VFS anyway. Adding this to the Linux kernel won't help them one bit, unless we can magically convince Sun to add it to Solaris, all different BSD:s to

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:34:41 -0400, Ross Biro [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm confused. Can someone on one of these lists enlighten me? How is directories as files logically any different than putting all data into .data files and making all files directories (yes you would need some sort of

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Hans Reiser
Ross Biro wrote: On 6/29/05, Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:09:05 -0400, Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And doing tar cf /dev/tape /usr/games/tetris gives you a nice tangle of undecipherable junk.

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:04:58 -0700, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ross Biro wrote: How is directories as files logically any different than putting all data into .data files and making all files directories (yes you would need some sort of special handling for files that were really

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-29 Thread Hans Reiser
Hubert Chan wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:04:58 -0700, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ross Biro wrote: How is directories as files logically any different than putting all data into .data files and making all files directories (yes you would need some sort of special handling for

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:25:14 CDT, David Masover said: I was just trying to avoid the people will never adopt a new archive format argument by pointing out that a similar archive format was recently created and adopted. Out of curiosity, adopted by popular acclaim, or because an 800 pound

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-28 Thread Vladimir Saveliev
Hello On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 06:58, Andi Kleen wrote: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * metafiles should be disabled until we can present code that works right. Half the list thinks we cannot solve the cycles problem ever. Disable metafiles and postpone problem until working

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Vitaly Fertman
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 01:07, David Masover wrote: Vitaly Fertman wrote: On Friday 24 June 2005 23:46, Hans Reiser wrote: David Masover wrote: I was able to recover from bad blocks, though of course no Reiser that I know of has had bad block relocation built in... there was a

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-28 Thread Andi Kleen
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:37:11PM +0400, Vladimir Saveliev wrote: have neither prof.[ch], nor spinprof.[ch] and we removed already some debugging code from spin_macros.h. Yes, i was looking at some older tree with reiser4. Sorry, just ignore what is already done. But still spin_macros.h

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-28 Thread Artem B. Bityuckiy
Andi Kleen wrote: Yes, i was looking at some older tree with reiser4. Sorry, just ignore what is already done. But still spin_macros.h should be completely removed imho. Such custom lock wrappers are strongly discouraged because it makes it hard for others to read your code. I may comfirm

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-28 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 04:00:01PM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: Andrew asked me to put together a list of things that need to be done before merging: ... Probably I forget something. I've started to do a very basic look over the tree and there's a few more things that spring to mind: - cpp

Re: reiser4 merging action list

2005-06-28 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 04:00:01PM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: Andrew asked me to put together a list of things that need to be done before merging: ... Probably I forget something. * remove the dependency on !4KSTACKS Best, Hans cu Adrian -- Is there not promise of rain?

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Vitaly Fertman
On Friday 24 June 2005 03:57, Hans Reiser wrote: One, you were using V3 not V4. Two, this bug you mention is probably not an fs bug. rm first creates a list of names, and then removes them. shell creates a list of names, rm simply handles the given set of names and tries to remove a file

cryptocompress [was Re: reiser4 plugins]

2005-06-28 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! and vfat people may decide they want cryptocompress, I'm sure they don't, because it is mostly for Windows and assorted devices (pendrives, digital cameras, ...) compatibility. Actually cryptocompress for vfat *would* be nice; pen drives are small, slow, and likely

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Horst von Brand
Markus Törnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 11:34:50PM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Hans (or someone) decided that when hardware stops working, it's not the job of the FS to compensate, it's the job of lower layers, or

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Horst von Brand
Alexander Zarochentsev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 26 June 2005 21:02, Christoph Hellwig wrote: [...] David and Hans, I've read through my backlog a lot now, and I must say it's pretty pointless - you're discussing lots of highlevel what if and don't actually care about something

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Hubert Chan
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:12 -0400, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Jun 28, 2005, at 01:30:08, Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:38:38 -0400, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ok. Those things should probably be divided up. Stuff like POSIX extended attributes and such

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Sean
On Tue, June 28, 2005 10:01 am, Horst von Brand said: I don't belive that you want to see all reiser4-specific things as item plugins, disk format plugins in the VFS. Only what makes sense. Plus many of those will probably have to go. Decide on /one/ way of doing things, even if not perfect

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vitaly Fertman wrote: On Tuesday 28 June 2005 01:07, David Masover wrote: Vitaly Fertman wrote: On Friday 24 June 2005 23:46, Hans Reiser wrote: David Masover wrote: I was able to recover from bad blocks, though of course no Reiser that I

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean wrote: On Tue, June 28, 2005 10:01 am, Horst von Brand said: I don't belive that you want to see all reiser4-specific things as item plugins, disk format plugins in the VFS. Only what makes sense. Plus many of those will probably have to go.

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:12 -0400, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Jun 28, 2005, at 01:30:08, Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:38:38 -0400, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ok. Those things should

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread Hubert Chan
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:32:56 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:12 -0400, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't deny them the right to add other interfaces later, but such should be a secondary or tertiary patch, after the rest

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-28 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kyle Moffett wrote: On Jun 27, 2005, at 22:21:35, Hubert Chan wrote: On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:27:26 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Kyle Moffett wrote: I think the '...' is just a bad idea in general, because it breaks tar and

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