[sage-devel] Re: find_minimum_on_interval and #2607

2009-05-02 Thread William Stein
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Thomas Savitsky tjsavit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Savitsky tjsavit...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I've noticed that the function

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 build problem on Mac OS X

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 1, 7:32 pm, Prabhu Ramachandran pra...@aero.iitb.ac.in wrote: Dear Sage developers, Hi Prabhu, I tried to build Sage-3.4 on my intel macbook (Mac OS X 10.4.11). I have Xcode 2.5 installed and gcc-4.0.1. I downloaded the sage-3.4.tar, untarred it and ran make. I have macports

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 build problem on Mac OS X

2009-05-02 Thread Prabhu Ramachandran
mabshoff wrote: I think this should be documented somewhere so others don't fall into the same trap. Thanks. Cool. Thanks for telling us - I have made this #5961. Glad to be of some assistance. BTW, the .pydistutils.cfg will affect any new spkg installs also since distutils will always

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 build problem on Mac OS X

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 2, 1:25 am, Prabhu Ramachandran pra...@aero.iitb.ac.in wrote: mabshoff wrote: I think this should be documented somewhere so others don't fall into the same trap.  Thanks. Hi, Cool. Thanks for telling us - I have made this #5961. Glad to be of some assistance.  BTW, the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 build problem on Mac OS X

2009-05-02 Thread Prabhu Ramachandran
mabshoff wrote: So one option would be to backport the patch to the Python version you ship and always invoke setup.py such that it ignores the .pydistutils.cfg. Of course, a simple test script that looks for the file and warns the user (like the macports warning/error) would also work.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread Alex Ghitza
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: While going over the open tickets in 4.0 I noticed this ticket:   #5943 (Sage 3.4.2.a0: prime_pi(2^50) segfaults) If someone could take a stab at that it would be nice since that is brand new code and ought to be a

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread Jonathan
rjf, On a number of your points I agree (see below). However, I think there is one significant problem with your point of view. In my roughly 30 years of experience as a chemist and professor using software for: 1) computations 2) writing 3) database work 4) data acquisition 5) data

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread ahmet alper parker
We never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it again. from: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/60/uml/why-model.html I do not support personally the idea of rewriting/replacing maxima but the discussions remembered me the words above. This is why I mostly spent my large percent of time

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread rjf
On May 2, 6:15 am, Jonathan gu...@uwosh.edu wrote: snip [How programs written by application specialists in your area and in others have been more useful than programs written by others not familiar with the application area] Sure, this is true. It is certainly true of computer algebra

[sage-devel] Re: NSF futures in comp alg conference: some comments

2009-05-02 Thread kcrisman
Great report! David and I are now at the East Coast Computer Algebra Day which followed his conference, and David Bailey is speaking about PSLQ. Any sense on the status of http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/853 ? It seems like this is one of the few things Maple etc. have that Sage

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread Marshall Hampton
On May 2, 10:06 am, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: perhaps I've missed something? Well, you've missed so much that you clearly just enjoyed writing a flame. I use Sage for a number of research purposes for which it is the only system that integrates all the things I need (for example, gfan).

[sage-devel] Re: Wolfram Alpha and Google (Trendalyzer)

2009-05-02 Thread Robert Dodier
mark mcclure wrote: There's a lovely little article in the February 2009 issue of the monthly on using integrals to approximate pi. The author discovers some nice rational approximations of pi by systmeatically searching through integrals of the form integrate( (x^m * (1 - x)^n * (a

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread Maurizio
Hello Sure, this is true.  It is certainly true of computer algebra systems where (for example) relative large amounts of effort are devoted to parts of systems which are pretty much doomed to be of almost no use except demonstrations. Simple example: almost no one other than freshman

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread Nick Alexander
To everyone participating in this thread: PLEASE LET IT GO. This is a list discussing the development of sage, both technical and social aspect. Is this thread helping? Is this thread significantly different from previous incarnations? Have any of those threads helped the sage project?

[sage-devel] Re: Functional derivative in Sage using pynac

2009-05-02 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi, On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Tim Lahey tim.la...@gmail.com wrote: I do it from a mathematical perspective. The code to do the variation itself is Thanks Tim. I played around further with current Sage to see what stuffs need to be improved in implementing functional derivative in

[sage-devel] Re: Wolfram Alpha and Google (Trendalyzer)

2009-05-02 Thread mark mcclure
On May 2, 1:02 pm, Robert Dodier robert.dod...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a different example is needed; Maxima can now compute such integrals. Thanks Robert, I did see on the Maxima discussion list back on February 20 that CVS Maxima could do these integrals. However, I checked Maxima 5.18.1 on

[sage-devel] Re: Functional derivative in Sage using pynac

2009-05-02 Thread Maurizio
Hi, I had previously been interested in implementing delta dirac function in pynac, especially for Laplace transform, so maybe I can give you a couple of references. First of all, the (quite long) thread about this in the sage-devel group:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 2, 2:58 am, Alex Ghitza aghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: While going over the open tickets in 4.0 I noticed this ticket:   #5943 (Sage 3.4.2.a0: prime_pi(2^50) segfaults) If someone could take a stab at that it

[sage-devel] Re: Wolfram Alpha and Google (Trendalyzer)

2009-05-02 Thread Andras Salamon
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:32:41AM -0700, Brian Granger wrote: I bring this up because I think we need to have better reasons about why open source is important - arguments that are compelling to folks who have been working successfully for years without reading the source. I don't know what

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 2, 1:00 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On May 2, 2:58 am, Alex Ghitza aghi...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I played around with prime_pi() for a while, both on sage.math and on my laptop at the office (macbook running 32-bit archlinux).  I didn't manage to get a segfault

[sage-devel] Re: Functional derivative in Sage using pynac

2009-05-02 Thread William Stein
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had previously been interested in implementing delta dirac function in pynac, especially for Laplace transform, so maybe I can give you a couple of references. First of all, the (quite long) thread about

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Alex Ghitza wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: While going over the open tickets in 4.0 I noticed this ticket: #5943 (Sage 3.4.2.a0: prime_pi(2^50) segfaults) If someone could take a stab at that it would be nice since that is brand new code

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Alex Ghitza wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: While going over the open tickets in 4.0 I noticed this ticket: #5943 (Sage 3.4.2.a0: prime_pi(2^50) segfaults) If someone could take a stab at that it would be nice since that is brand new code

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread William Stein
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On May 2, 2:44 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Alex Ghitza wrote: Hi David, SNIP I'm pretty sure that the sage.math answer is more likely to be the right one.  You can maybe guess from the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 2, 3:52 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP The suggestion then was to implement something on top of the range computed with floats using MPFR for example, but we will see what happens. I am sure

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread root
This is such an amusing thread. Try re-reading the thread as if everyone were arguing that we should improve Maxima because it is open source and many people can improve upon it. Sure, you'd have to learn lisp but Guido argues that python is lisp, so is the learning curve so steep? On average

[sage-devel] Re: sage and symbolic software design

2009-05-02 Thread William Stein
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: To everyone participating in this thread: PLEASE LET IT GO. This is a list discussing the development of sage, both technical and social aspect.  Is this thread helping?  Is this thread significantly different

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
mabshoff wrote: ed smaller values. I'm going to put that data up on the trac ticket. Mathematica 6 (on a Sun SPARC) gives an answer in far less time than Sage: In[3]:= PrimePi[2^50] PrimePi::largp: Argument 1125899906842624 in PrimePi[1125899906842624] is too large for this

[sage-devel] NSF conference

2009-05-02 Thread root
I've just returned from the NSF conference. There was a big push for teaching, especially related to CAS. I suggested a joint effort with the game industry. The idea would be to use a game like the bridge building game (www.bridgebuilder-game.com) and a CAS. The idea of the bridge game is to

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 1, 6:54 am, Kiran Kedlaya ksk...@gmail.com wrote: Clean build on 64-bit Fedora 10 (Opteron) fails one doctest: sage -t  devel/sage/sage/sets/primes.py ** File /opt/sage/sage-3.4.2.rc0/devel/sage/sage/sets/primes.py,

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread kcrisman
For the record: This is now #5966 and will be fixed in 3.4.2.final. It also has been #5959, with a patch, since yesterday morning - figured if I caused the trouble, I should fix it :) That doesn't address needlessly starting Maxima but unfortunately I won't be able to address that til at

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2.rc0 release!

2009-05-02 Thread mabshoff
On May 2, 6:39 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: For the record: This is now #5966 and will be fixed in 3.4.2.final. It also has been #5959, with a patch, since yesterday morning - figured if I caused the trouble, I should fix it :)  That doesn't address needlessly starting Maxima