On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote:
Brian,
A sage worksheet is no more a derived work of Sage than a jpeg would
be a derived work of Photoshop/GIMP or a .doc file would be a derived
work of MS Office or OpenOffice.
I disagree. A jpeg or .doc file
Can I use this opportunity to request some reviews for modular forms
patches? I decided I'd spend a few afternoons squashing as many easy
modular forms buglets as I could, with the result that there is now a
bunch of tickets that are [with patch, needs review]. It would be
cool to get some of
Mon May 11: fix fallout;malb fix os x libsingular (?)
Tue May 12: sage-4.0.rc1.tar
Wed May 13:
Thu May 14: sage-4.0.final.tar
Fri May 15: Release sage-4.0.tar.
Well, my plan was to update Singular to 3.1 and PolyBoRi to 0.6 during the
week mentioned above and I was hoping
Hello all,
I've been doing a lot of work recent trying to get the new symbolics
ready for Sage 4.0. With 4.0 due out in 8 days, we're trying to do
the final push.
There are currently a lot of printing errors since Pynac/GiNaC prints
expressions differently than Maxima does. Some things still
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM, victor miller victorsmil...@gmail.com wrote:
Fredrik, I just saw on the SAGE days 15 project list you have the
Meissel-Lehmer-Lagarias-Miller-Odlyzko algorithm. I still have my old C
code for this, if that would be a good start. I never looked in detail at
Hello:
At a recent NSF workshop
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~kaltofen/NSF_WS_ECCAD09_Itinerary.html
Hoon Hong (managing editor of the J Symb Comp) asked for a list of
papers written using Sage
by students. The obvious answer was to look at
http://www.sagemath.org/library/publications.html
but (a) there
On May 7, 2:06 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote:
The impression I got from this conference was that *student* research
activity involving Sage
is a major plus from the NSF's perspective and more precise
quantitative on this might
help people get Sage-related grants.
That's an
On May 7, 1:11 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de
wrote:
Mon May 11: fix fallout; malb fix os x libsingular (?)
Tue May 12: sage-4.0.rc1.tar
Wed May 13:
Thu May 14: sage-4.0.final.tar
Fri May 15: Release sage-4.0.tar.
Well, my plan was to update
On May 7, 12:55 am, davidloeffler dave.loeff...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I use this opportunity to request some reviews for modular forms
patches? I decided I'd spend a few afternoons squashing as many easy
modular forms buglets as I could, with the result that there is now a
bunch of tickets
I spend some time tonight on the gcc 4.4.0 porting problem and there
is only little work left to be done: I had resolved all issues in Sage
3.1.2, but neglected to merge all the fixed into subsequent releases.
Issues from 3.1.2 (3.4.2):
* gmp (gone in MPIR)
* ntl (Fixed in ntl-5.4.2.p7.spkg,
Hi Michael,
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:37 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote:
All the bits are in the usual place in
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-3.4.2/
I am wondering whether pre-compiled binaries of sage-3.4.2 for
Ubuntu and others will be
On May 7, 6:41 am, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Michael,
Hi Golam,
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:37 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote:
All the bits are in the usual place in
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-3.4.2/
I am wondering
Dear Devel,
I am hoping to help the push to 75% by adding some doctests to some of
the plotting primitives. But for some reason, the following always
occurs:
sage: G = some graphics object
sage: G == loads(dumps(G))
False
Nonetheless, no matter how hard I try, I cannot actually find a
Mike Hansen wrote:
Hi Mike
[...]
If you want to try the code out, there is an spkg and two patches in
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mhansen/symbolics/. These should
install and apply cleanly to Sage 3.4.2.
I tried applying to sage-3.4.2, got:
[j...@paix sage-3.4.2]$ ./sage
On May 7, 7:16 am, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote:
Mike Hansen wrote:
Hi Mike
SNIP
ImportError: libpynac-0.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory
Error importing ipy_profile_sage - perhaps you should run %upgrade?
WARNING: Loading of ipy_profile_sage
One more thing: I have updated http://wiki.sagemath.org/plan/sage-4.0
in the wiki with most of the info here, but it might be a good idea
to
(a) keep it current as things develop
(b) add all missing info about projects, i.e. who is working on
coverage, etc
(c) clean it up in general
Signing
Hi:
I just want to pass along some ideas I got from Sage developers at the recent
NSF-CDI conference in Rhode Island. I don't know how feasible they are.
(1) One Maple developer suggested that the pexpect interface Sage-Maple
could be improved using the Openmaple API
David Joyner wrote:
Hello:
At a recent NSF workshop
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~kaltofen/NSF_WS_ECCAD09_Itinerary.html
Hoon Hong (managing editor of the J Symb Comp) asked for a list of
papers written using Sage
by students. The obvious answer was to look at
Jason Grout wrote:
David Joyner wrote:
Hello:
At a recent NSF workshop
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~kaltofen/NSF_WS_ECCAD09_Itinerary.html
Hoon Hong (managing editor of the J Symb Comp) asked for a list of
papers written using Sage
by students. The obvious answer was to look at
On Thu, 7 May 2009 04:10:30 -0700
Mike Hansen mhan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I've been doing a lot of work recent trying to get the new symbolics
ready for Sage 4.0. With 4.0 due out in 8 days, we're trying to do
the final push.
Thank you very much for working on this. I am really
On Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:56 -0400
David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi:
I just want to pass along some ideas I got from Sage developers at
the recent NSF-CDI conference in Rhode Island. I don't know how
feasible they are.
(1) One Maple developer suggested that the pexpect
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:56 -0400
David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi:
I just want to pass along some ideas I got from Sage developers at
the recent NSF-CDI conference in Rhode Island. I don't know how
Jaap Spies wrote:
Mike Hansen wrote:
Hi Mike
[...]
If you want to try the code out, there is an spkg and two patches in
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mhansen/symbolics/. These should
install and apply cleanly to Sage 3.4.2.
I tried applying to sage-3.4.2, got:
[j...@paix
I noticed something in the code i wrote which can be improved. This
is something which was not in Chris Wuthrich's original
implementation, so it is my fault.
Here's what we do: (1) find an upper bound on the torsion order, i.e.
a positive integer N such that the torsion order is certainly a
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:01 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote:
I am hoping to help the push to 75% by adding some doctests to some of
the plotting primitives. But for some reason, the following always
occurs:
sage: G = some graphics object
sage: G == loads(dumps(G))
False
On May 5, 8:05 pm, Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote:
A sage worksheet is no more a derived work of Sage than a jpeg would
be a derived work of Photoshop/GIMP or a .doc file would be a derived
work of MS Office or OpenOffice.
I disagree. A jpeg or .doc file is not source code
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM, David Joyner wrote:
I just want to pass along some ideas I got from Sage developers at the
recent NSF-CDI conference in Rhode Island. I don't know how feasible
they are.
I guess you meant Maple developers?
(1) One Maple developer suggested that the
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Carl Witty carl.wi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:01 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote:
I am hoping to help the push to 75% by adding some doctests to some of
the plotting primitives. But for some reason, the following always
occurs:
sage:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote:
Jaap Spies wrote:
Mike Hansen wrote:
Hi Mike
[...]
If you want to try the code out, there is an spkg and two patches in
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mhansen/symbolics/. These should
install and apply
Because graphics objects don't implement equality (there are no __eq__
or __cmp__ methods defined), so the default implementation is used,
which is is (object identity, pointer equality).
Carl
Ergo, you should implement __cmp__.
Umm... how would I do that? Or is you cwitty? Maybe if
On May 7, 3:38 am, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote:
1.234567?
+1
1.234567?1 is more
-1
Nick
+1 on this example...
I don't want to look stubborn but let's try another vote (it´s my last
comment on this thread...)
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.?
or
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.±1
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com
wrote:
Jaap Spies wrote:
Mike Hansen wrote:
Hi Mike
[...]
If you want to try the code out, there is an spkg and two patches in
Hi Burcin,
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org wrote:
I guess the first patch is a collection of my patches sitting on trac,
so I didn't read it. Is this right?
Yep.
Some minor comments after reading the 2nd patch:
* does new_Expression_from_GEx() really need
William Stein wrote:
[...]
Delete constants.so:
$ rm devel/sage/build/lib.macosx-10.3-i386-2.5/sage/symbolic/constants*
$ rm devel/sage/build/temp.macosx-10.3-i386-2.5/sage/symbolic/constants*
$ rm devel/sage/build/sage/symbolic/constants.so
Then
teragon:sage-3.4.2 wstein$ sage
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Yann yannlaiglecha...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 7, 3:38 am, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote:
1.234567?
+1
1.234567?1 is more
-1
Nick
+1 on this example...
I don't want to look stubborn but let's try another vote (it´s my last
comment on
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.±1
-2 to unicode or whatever lets you type $\pm$.
As for the fact that 4.? is confusing to people who know nothing about
sage, that does not concern me in the slightest. I find lots of
things that I know nothing about confusing!
Nick
2009/5/7 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com:
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.±1
-2 to unicode or whatever lets you type $\pm$.
As for the fact that 4.? is confusing to people who know nothing about
sage, that does not concern me in the slightest. I find lots of
things that I know nothing about
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote:
Because graphics objects don't implement equality (there are no __eq__
or __cmp__ methods defined), so the default implementation is used,
which is is (object identity, pointer equality).
Carl
Ergo, you should
I just found this thread, sorry for weighing in late.
Note: this is a light-hearted response to a topic which I consider
very grave. It's been claimed that the script
from sage import Integer
print Integer(2)+Integer(2)
must be GPL'd. I claim that the above is a sage-ultralight script.
I've
John Cremona wrote:
2009/5/7 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com:
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.±1
-2 to unicode or whatever lets you type $\pm$.
As for the fact that 4.? is confusing to people who know nothing about
sage, that does not concern me in the slightest. I find lots of
things that I
Thanks for taking the time to explain, Jason.
2009/5/7 Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com:
John Cremona wrote:
2009/5/7 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com:
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.±1
-2 to unicode or whatever lets you type $\pm$.
As for the fact that 4.? is confusing to people who
Hi,
this might be a design decision, so I haven't filed a bug report for it yet.
However, it seems that coefficient is returning the wrong type when it's
called on multinomials. Here is an example code:
sage: K.x,y,z=QQ[]
sage: f = x^3+y^3+z^3
sage: f.coefficient([3,0,0]).parent()
Multivariate
On May 7, 9:24 pm, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to explain, Jason.
2009/5/7 Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com:
John Cremona wrote:
2009/5/7 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com:
sage:RIF( 3 , 3.2 )
4.±1
-2 to unicode or whatever
Note: this is a light-hearted response to a topic which I consider
very grave. It's been claimed that the script
from sage import Integer
print Integer(2)+Integer(2)
must be GPL'd. I claim that the above is a sage-ultralight script.
I've attached an independent implementation of
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tom Boothby tomas.boot...@gmail.com wrote:
I just found this thread, sorry for weighing in late.
Note: this is a light-hearted response to a topic which I consider
very grave. It's been claimed that the script
from sage import Integer
print
I disagree. A jpeg or .doc file is not source code in any sense of
the word, thus the GPL is completely irrelevant (I think we agree on
that).
That simply isn't so. To quote the GPL:
This License applies to any program or other work ...
The Program, below, refers to any such program or
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:23 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That FAQ entry which you partially quoted concludes with A
consequence is that if you choose to use GPL'd Perl modules or Java
classes in your program, you must release the program in a
GPL-compatible way, regardless of
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Alfredo Portes doyenatc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:23 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That FAQ entry which you partially quoted concludes with A
consequence is that if you choose to use GPL'd Perl modules or Java
classes in your
It is a documented feature -- look at the docstring which says
def coefficient(self, degrees):
Return the coefficient of the variables with the degrees
specified in the python dictionary \code{degrees}. Mathematically,
this is the coefficient in the base
2009/5/7 Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com:
I disagree. A jpeg or .doc file is not source code in any sense of
the word, thus the GPL is completely irrelevant (I think we agree on
that).
That simply isn't so. To quote the GPL:
This License applies to any program or other work ...
The
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote:
He, he. For the above script to run in sage-ultralight,
sage-ultralight must have the same name as sage. Then you get into
copyright/trademark related issues (the name sage is already taken).
Just the same I
sage-ultralight must have the same name as sage. Then you get into
copyright/trademark related issues (the name sage is already taken).
Just the same I could create a GUI toolkit named Qt that was also
released under the SACL license, but you can guess what would happen.
Incorrect.
On May 7, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Mike Hansen wrote:
Hello all,
I've been doing a lot of work recent trying to get the new symbolics
ready for Sage 4.0. With 4.0 due out in 8 days, we're trying to do
the final push.
There are currently a lot of printing errors since Pynac/GiNaC prints
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote:
* The JPEG stands on its own and can be used independently of GIMP.
Beware... copyright law is more about copying and distribution,
than about use. Besides, when I post a notebook, or publish a sage
script in a book,
Gee... is Sage a trademark?
Besides, I don't think a trademark is that strong... E.g. firefox is
a trademark of mozilla. Debian doesn't want to be bound by the terms
of use of said trademark, so the rename the program to iceweasel.
All visible occurrences of the name firefox are replaced by
Gee... is Sage a trademark?
Besides, I don't think a trademark is that strong... E.g. firefox is
a trademark of mozilla. Debian doesn't want to be bound by the terms
of use of said trademark, so the rename the program to iceweasel.
All visible occurrences of the name firefox are replaced
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Gonzalo Tornaria
torna...@math.utexas.edu wrote:
Gee... is Sage a trademark?
Yes, Sage is a trademark. It's not mine though. It is explicitly
listed here:
http://www.sagenorthamerica.com/copyright_trademarks/
Another company changed their name to Sage
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Robert Bradshaw
rober...@math.washington.edu wrote:
On May 7, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Mike Hansen wrote:
Hello all,
I've been doing a lot of work recent trying to get the new symbolics
ready for Sage 4.0. With 4.0 due out in 8 days, we're trying to do
the final
William Stein wrote:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Robert Bradshaw
rober...@math.washington.edu wrote:
On May 7, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Mike Hansen wrote:
Hello all,
I've been doing a lot of work recent trying to get the new symbolics
ready for Sage 4.0. With 4.0 due out in 8 days, we're
On May 7, 5:04 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote:
William Stein wrote:
SNIP
wst...@sage:~$ ginsh
ginsh - GiNaC Interactive Shell (ginac V1.4.1)
...
sqrt(2)^2;
2
I've added this to the wiki.
It might be useful, if possible, to make sage -ginsh launch ginsh, or
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:10 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote:
On May 7, 5:04 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote:
William Stein wrote:
SNIP
wst...@sage:~$ ginsh
ginsh - GiNaC Interactive Shell (ginac V1.4.1)
...
sqrt(2)^2;
2
I've added this to the
New version is up:
http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~rkirov2/processing/grapheditor.html
The short changelog:
1) By popular demand, when you drag a vertex out of the page the edges
turn red to indicate you are going to lose it and it is not erased
until you release the button.
2) There is an
Brian Granger wrote:
Are you arguing that jpeg's produced by GIMP are all GPL'd?
No.
I agree that it is definitely possible to release non-programs, such
as JPEGs, under the GPL.
OK, I misunderstood. I thought you were claiming just the opposite.
Robert Dodier
Gonzalo Tornaria wrote:
Auch... then, if I take GIMP source code, and carefully translate it
100% into, say... lisp, then the resulting work is not a C++ program,
and therefore not a derived work.
Careful. I'm pretty sure a translation (be it from natural
language or computer language) is a
Hi everybody,
I built a LiveCD with Sage that intends to be minimal in
all senses.
It has some rough edges yet and much to be improved,
that's why I invite you to download it from here:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/luciolastra/isos/v2/
try it out and give me any feedback (bugs,
Indeed... but the OP claimed that a jpeg couldn't be a derived work of
gimp because it's not a C++ program, which is a non sequitur.
Do you actually think a JPEG is a derived for of GIMP or do you
disagree with how I was arguing? If you merely disagree with my
argument, please don't misquote
Most of all, everyone, please go read the damn GPL!
Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list actually know a lawyer at
FSF? I wouldn't be surprised if someone does with all the Boston
connections.
If so, getting even a small piece of FSF's official position,
without all the IANAL stuff, on
On May 7, 2009, at 8:53 PM, kcrisman wrote:
Most of all, everyone, please go read the damn GPL!
Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list actually know a lawyer at
FSF? I wouldn't be surprised if someone does with all the Boston
connections.
I think (hope) that the restrictions and
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed... but the OP claimed that a jpeg couldn't be a derived work of
gimp because it's not a C++ program, which is a non sequitur.
Do you actually think a JPEG is a derived for of GIMP or do you
disagree with how
Looking real good. I like the red edges prior to deletion when you
drag outside the canvas.
I've now run this on two machines - one is 32-bit, one 64-bit.
Otherwise pretty much the same - recent Firefox on KUbuntu, approx
3GHz chips. The editor is very crisp and robust on the 32-bit
machine.
Hi Lucio,
Got a command prompt, entered startx, chose Sage off the fluxbox
menu. Got a terminal window and the Sage banner.
A few seconds later and the terminal window closed. Now every time I
choose Sage off the menu, the terminal just blinks and immediately
closes.
Running ./sage from a
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