Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Coroot lattice into affine Weyl group

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 04:52:45PM -0700, Anne Schilling wrote: Ok, let's try again in the weight lattice (I replaced alphacheck = R.coweight_space().simple_roots() by alphacheck = R.coroot_space().simple_roots() , otherwise the scalar product seems wrong. Why? Shouldn't the choice of space

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Coroot lattice into affine Weyl group

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Anne, On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 05:06:39PM -0700, Anne Schilling wrote: As we now discussed in private, the translation factors for type A_{2n}^{(2)} with the specifications as given in sage should be 1,1,...,1,1/2. I just (tentatively) finalized #8811, adding a couple notes about our

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Coroot lattice into affine Weyl group

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:02:07PM +0200, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: I just (tentatively) finalized #8811, adding a couple notes about our discussion, and fixing ReST issues here and there. Please review! Please have a careful look at _test_reduced_word_of_translation. The tests started to fail

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Finalize Breadth first search improvement for search forest

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi William, Nicolas On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 11:59:50PM +0200, Nicolas Borie wrote: Le mardi 01 juin 2010 à 15:52 -0400, William Laffin a écrit : I have a few general questions questions: Are there plans for Uniform-cost, Depth-limited, iterative deepening, and bidirectional(if

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] semistandard tableaux

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:20:23AM -0700, Anne Schilling wrote: Mostly, we want to make a change to add a feature, so that one can specify an additional keyword argument max_entry=k so as to get the Semistandard Tableaux(p,mu) with entries in 1..k, or max_entry=-1 so there is no maximum.

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Finalize Breadth first search improvement for search forest

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas Borie
From trac : *** Hi Nicolas, I'm currently using search forest and I run into some troubles... I also want to suggest some improvements in the code: please define method _repr_ (Sage way) rather than __repr__ (Python's way). when you need to

[sage-combinat-devel] TestSuite and Realizations

2010-06-02 Thread Jason Bandlow
Hello, I am currently working on Quasisymmetric functions, and have run into the following difficulty. sage: QS = QuasisymmetricFunctions(QQ) sage: QS.zero(), QS.zero().parent() (0, The quasisymmetric functions over Rational Field in the fundamental basis) sage: QS.one(), QS.one().parent() (F[],

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] TestSuite and Realizations

2010-06-02 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi Jason, I am currently working on Quasisymmetric functions, and have run into the following difficulty. sage: QS = QuasisymmetricFunctions(QQ) sage: QS.zero(), QS.zero().parent() (0, The quasisymmetric functions over Rational Field in the fundamental basis) sage: QS.one(),

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: TestSuite and Realizations

2010-06-02 Thread Jason Bandlow
On 06/02/2010 01:29 PM, Florent Hivert wrote: The problem is that QS is a facade parent (that is its elements belongs to another parent). Right now TestSuite doesn't properly handles those. This is ticket #9065. Great, I looked briefly for such a ticket, but couldn't find it. Thanks for the

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Unpickling of crystals

2010-06-02 Thread Anne Schilling
Hi! Has this questions been resolved? Can we set a positive review on the patch #8911 and update the pickle jar? Cheers, Anne Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: Hi crystal folks, While reviewing Anne's categorification of crystals #8911, I noticed that all crystal pickles in Sage's pickle jar

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Coroot lattice into affine Weyl group

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:08:22PM -0700, Anne Schilling wrote: Thank you for finalizing the translation patch! I reviewed it and found a couple more typos. So please fold the reviewers patch. I am happy to set a positive review ... Folded and uploaded to trac. Please have a careful look at

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-algebra] Re: categories, etc.: how to define a new algebra

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi John, Simon, ... As promised, I have finally started expanding the categories tutorial to better guide the would be implementer of a parent. Please have a look at: http://combinat.sagemath.org/hgwebdir.cgi/patches/file/tip/categories-tutorial.patch Suggestions of typical use cases to

[sage-combinat-devel] [Fwd: Re: [Sage] #8810: Implementation of Stanley symmetric functions]

2010-06-02 Thread Anne Schilling
Could someone review #8810? Ticket #8811 is now up and has a positive review. This is also on the sage-combinat queue as trac_8810_stanley_symmetric_functions-sp-as.patch Thanks! Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
(sorry for the crossposting) On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:58 PM, leif not.rea...@online.de wrote: There is also an alpha1 of sage-4.4.3 here, and two tiny doctests failures    http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/build/release/4.4.3/sage-... Failures on sage.math:         sage -t  -long

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Finalize Breadth first search improvement for search forest

2010-06-02 Thread William Laffin
Hi Nicolas^2, Thank you both for your thoughtful responses. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Nicolas Borie nicolas.bo...@math.u-psud.fr wrote: SearchForest(args) will shortly return a Parent with category at least EnumeratedSets(). SearchForest is a part of Combinat code whose goal is to

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:        Dear release managers! What's the current time line for Sage 4.4.3? We have been working hard those last days on flushing the

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Martin Rubey
William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: Hi, Burcin Erocal and I wrote a paper The Sage Project: Unifying Free Mathematical Software to Create a Viable Alternative to Magma, Maple, Mathematica and Matlab for http://www.math.kobe-u.ac.jp/icms2010/index.html Here it is:

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Mike Hansen
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Martin Rubey martin.ru...@math.uni-hannover.de wrote: A tiny correction to the list on 6, Table 2: as far as I know, sage does not communicate with axiom, but rather with fricas.  But I admit, I am not 100% certain, what the default installation does.  Please

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Martin Rubey martin.ru...@math.uni-hannover.de wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: Hi, Burcin Erocal and I wrote a paper The Sage Project: Unifying Free Mathematical Software to Create a Viable Alternative to Magma, Maple, Mathematica and Matlab

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Mike Hansen
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:58 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: The upshot is that maybe I should list both fricas and axiom in the interfaces table? Yep, sounds good. --Mike -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an

Re: [sage-devel] Really weird layout/name/number for 'fortran' package.

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 06/ 1/10 09:09 AM, William Stein wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net  wrote: The fortran package in Sage is really weird. 1) The 'src' directory does not contain

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What's the point of two stable releases in two days?

2010-06-02 Thread John Cremona
Sage surely benefits from having a very wide range of people who are developers, ranging in age, motivations, mathematician vs. software professional, and so on. Don't make assumptions about the volunteer mathematicians all being youngsters! (Some of us are over 50, and, I think, amateurs in the

[sage-devel] Re: Problems building Sage 4.4.1

2010-06-02 Thread Matthew Gwynne
Here is the output: ~ command -v gcc /usr/local/bin/gcc ~ command -v g++ /usr/local/bin/g++ ~ command -v gfortran /usr/local/bin/gfortran ~ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Configured with: ./configure --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable- threads=posix --enable-shared

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi William and Burcin, This is a very nice presentation of Sage, drawing a very good overall picture of what is Sage ! I'd like to thank you for the afterword... Just a little remark citation [Des06] only present a very specific part of what was MuPAD-Combinat (ie: Symmetric Functions).

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Martin Rubey
Mike Hansen mhan...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Martin Rubey martin.ru...@math.uni-hannover.de wrote: A tiny correction to the list on 6, Table 2: as far as I know, sage does not communicate with axiom, but rather with fricas.  But I admit, I am not 100% certain, what

Re: [sage-devel] sage path bug

2010-06-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
today, running ./sage -t filename did not succeed on my system. After a while, I could figure out with some help of Burcin that my setup of sage was too much using symbolic links. In fact, after I removed sage from being available via PATH, the above command succeeded. Could you elaborate?

Re: [sage-devel] SEP

2010-06-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
http://wiki.sagemath.org/AutoToolsSEP One problem with that is that too many packages in Sage do not honor things like CC, MAKE, CXX. Cython misbehaves if CFLAGS set. What does that have to do with autotools? If the subpackages misbehave then one has to provide proper fixes with or without

Re: [sage-devel] SEP

2010-06-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
http://wiki.sagemath.org/AutoToolsSEP My primary concern with both of these proposals is that they seek to widen the gap between developers and users, Huh? and I think a huge part of Sage's success in attracting contributors is erasing that gap. Sage is not a sucess for me as I stumple

Re: [sage-devel] SEP

2010-06-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
For the reasons Robert Bradshaw mentioned, I don't think the AutoTools SEP makes a lot of sense for Sage. Robert also added Automake would add another level of complexity to the build process, in particular one which is not understood by many in the community. to

[sage-devel] Re: What's the point of two stable releases in two days?

2010-06-02 Thread kcrisman
On Jun 2, 4:08 am, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: Sage surely benefits from having a very wide range of people who are developers, ranging in age, motivations, mathematician vs. software professional, and so on. Don't make assumptions about the volunteer mathematicians all being

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Tim Daly
You have Axiom from 2005? You do realize it is updated every 2 months :-) Tim William Stein wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Martin Rubey martin.ru...@math.uni-hannover.de wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: Hi, Burcin Erocal and I wrote a paper The Sage Project:

[sage-devel] Re: new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Jason Bandlow
Very nice! Note that Nicolas' last name is Thiéry and not Thiery (unless it is ASCII-only source code.) :-) Cheers, Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more

Re: [sage-devel] SEP

2010-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 06/ 2/10 12:42 PM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: http://wiki.sagemath.org/AutoToolsSEP One problem with that is that too many packages in Sage do not honor things like CC, MAKE, CXX. Cython misbehaves if CFLAGS set. What does that have to do with autotools? If the subpackages misbehave then one

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What's the point of two stable releases in two days?

2010-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 06/ 2/10 09:08 AM, John Cremona wrote: Sage surely benefits from having a very wide range of people who are developers, ranging in age, motivations, mathematician vs. software professional, and so on. Yes Don't make assumptions about the volunteer mathematicians all being youngsters!

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What's the point of two stable releases in two days?

2010-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 06/ 2/10 01:12 PM, kcrisman wrote: On Jun 2, 4:08 am, John Cremonajohn.crem...@gmail.com wrote: Sage surely benefits from having a very wide range of people who are developers, ranging in age, motivations, mathematician vs. software professional, and so on. Don't make assumptions about

Re: [sage-devel] new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Martin Albrecht
Hi, two small-ish points: 1) I don't get the line: Awesome singular, pynac, maxima (in progress), gap (in progress) in Table 2 2) In the sentence Try the Sage notebook right now by visiting www.sagenb.org, where there are over 30,000 user accounts and over 2,000 published worksheets.

[sage-devel] Re: new paper on sage by myself and Burcin Erocal

2010-06-02 Thread Rob Beezer
On Jun 2, 7:43 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Awesome singular, pynac, maxima (in progress), gap (in progress) I think Awesome might be a new brand name for super-duper interfaces, as in Awesome (tm)*. Rob * All trademarks are copyright by their respective

Re: [sage-devel] sage path bug

2010-06-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: today, running ./sage -t filename did not succeed on my system. After a while, I could figure out with some help of Burcin that my setup of sage was too much using symbolic links. In fact, after I removed sage from being available via PATH,

Re: [sage-devel] sage path bug

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: today, running ./sage -t filename did not succeed on my system. After a while, I could figure out with some help of Burcin that my setup of sage was too much

[sage-devel] A stupid question: why is it not possible to make Sage work on Windows?

2010-06-02 Thread ablondin
Hello, everyone ! I guess this is a very stupid question, but I was wondering if it would be possible one day to have Sage work on Windows except with a Virtual Machine. I'm not asking that question for myself, as I have quit using Windows a long time ago, but it would draw many more users... I

Re: [sage-devel] A stupid question: why is it not possible to make Sage work on Windows?

2010-06-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:05 AM, ablondin wrote: Hello, everyone ! I guess this is a very stupid question, but I was wondering if it would be possible one day to have Sage work on Windows except with a Virtual Machine. I'm not asking that question for myself, as I have quit using Windows a long

Re: [sage-devel] A stupid question: why is it not possible to make Sage work on Windows?

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ablondin alexandre.blondin.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, everyone ! I guess this is a very stupid question, but I was wondering if it would be possible one day to have Sage work on Windows except with a Virtual Machine. This is definitely possible. Some of

[sage-devel] reviews

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
Hi, There are 161 tickets here listed as needs review: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/report/30 So review some. :-) By the way, is anybody interested in crafting an editor system to help organize matching reviewers with tickets that need review? This could be some new python code

Re: [sage-devel] SEP

2010-06-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: http://wiki.sagemath.org/AutoToolsSEP My primary concern with both of these proposals is that they seek to widen the gap between developers and users, Huh? E.g. The command sage should run Sage and not be misused for development

[sage-devel] Can anyone review an update to zlib?

2010-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
There was a post here the other day of someone who run into problems with Sage's zlib being too old on his MacbookPro running Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit). http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/525f84daa3513bc/df71738fbc80fda5?hl=enlnk=gstq=update+libz#df71738fbc80fda5 I've

Re: [sage-devel] reviews

2010-06-02 Thread John Cremona
On 2 June 2010 19:28, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There are 161 tickets here listed as needs review:      http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/report/30 So review some.   :-) By the way, is anybody interested in crafting an editor system to help organize matching reviewers

Re: [sage-devel] reviews

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:57 PM, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2010 19:28, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There are 161 tickets here listed as needs review:      http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/report/30 So review some.   :-) By the way, is anybody

[sage-devel] [a...@math.ucdavis.edu: Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Unpickling of crystals]

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Sage devs, There is consensus that no-one cares about oldish crystal pickles, and it would make the inclusion of #8911 technically easier if we could drop them. Hence my question: what's the official procedure for updating the pickle jar? Thanks in advance! Cheers,

[sage-devel] Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear release managers! What's the current time line for Sage 4.4.3? We have been working hard those last days on flushing the Sage-Combinat queue, and have more than 25 patches with positive review ready for inclusion. Well, there is still some work ahead, with 15 patches under review

[sage-devel] Patch needs review - one byte changed!!

2010-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
The following ticket is not high on my priority list (in fact, its *very* low down), but only one single byte has changed, so it should not take someone too long to review it! http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8512 Dave -- To post to this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: reviews

2010-06-02 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
As I understand, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/3304 should be just closed, not reviewed, since another ticket took care of the issue. Since only release managers should close tickets, I am leaving the ticket as is and posting here. Thank you, Andrey -- To post to this group, send

Re: [sage-devel] [a...@math.ucdavis.edu: Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Unpickling of crystals]

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:        Dear Sage devs, There is consensus that no-one cares about oldish crystal pickles, and it would make the inclusion of #8911 technically easier if we could drop them. Hence my question: what's the

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:        Dear release managers! What's the current time line for Sage 4.4.3? We have been working hard those last days on flushing the Sage-Combinat queue, and have more than 25 patches with positive review

Re: [sage-devel] Patch needs review - one byte changed!!

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
Positive review -- thanks for catching that. On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: The following ticket is not high on my priority list (in fact, its *very* low down), but only one single byte has changed, so it should not take someone too long to

Re: [sage-devel] Sphinx target search...

2010-06-02 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi There, Since nobody answered I investigated this further: Though sphinx is perfectly working with target in the local module he isn't able to find reference target from other modules even if they are exported in all.py. For example, if I want to link Parent from anywhere but

Re: [sage-devel] Re: reviews

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
Thanks. I've closed this. On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev novos...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/3304 should be just closed, not reviewed, since another ticket took care of the issue. Since only release managers should

[sage-devel] Re: Sphinx target search...

2010-06-02 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
While I have no ideas/suggestions on how to implement it, I think that it is highly desirable to have such a functionality. In addition to simplifying life of those who write doctests with links, it will help to make documentation more stable - if some classes/functions were moved around modules

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread leif
I've replied to the sage-release thread... http://groups.google.com/group/sage-release/browse_thread/thread/8df955269e44ead9# -Leif On 3 Jun., 00:02, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:        Dear release

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
(sorry for the crossposting) On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:58 PM, leif not.rea...@online.de wrote: There is also an alpha1 of sage-4.4.3 here, and two tiny doctests failures    http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/build/release/4.4.3/sage-... Failures on sage.math:         sage -t  -long

[sage-devel] Re: Sphinx target search...

2010-06-02 Thread leif
On 3 Jun., 00:06, Florent Hivert florent.hiv...@univ-rouen.fr wrote: It seems that this is more or less easily feasible. I've a prototype patch to sphinx which only works for objects (eg: Parent). It won't work on thing like Parent.rename. I'd like to know if it is a desired feature before

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:52 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Burcin isn't the only person that knows how to work on Pynac. Probably. I guess I can be more explicit.    Getting Ginac to work with Python data types instead of CLN was my idea and I made it work.  I wrote the first

[sage-devel] symbolic expressions and the arguments method

2010-06-02 Thread Jason Grout
Right now, the following works: sage: a=(x+y) sage: a.arguments() (x, y) However, we deprecated the following a long time ago: sage: a(1,2) /Users/grout/sage/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/IPython/iplib.py:2073: DeprecationWarning: Substitution using function-call syntax and unnamed

[sage-devel] Re: symbolic expressions and the arguments method

2010-06-02 Thread Kwankyu Lee
A related comment: I like the method name variables for symbolic expressions. On the other hand, I think the name variable should be avoided in the exact polynomial rings cases, as in sage: P.x,y=PolynomialRing(QQ) sage: P.variable_names() ('x', 'y') In this case, gen_names() is perhaps

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage 4.4.3

2010-06-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:        Dear release managers! What's the current time line for Sage 4.4.3? We have been working hard those last days on flushing the

[sage-devel] Re: symbolic expressions and the arguments method

2010-06-02 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/2/10 10:40 PM, Jason Grout wrote: I propose that a.arguments() should return a deprecation warning: I've put up a rough still-needs-work patch for this at #9126. Thanks, Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group,