[sage-devel] sage optional packages

2024-07-25 Thread William Stein
ribute to the testing and maintenance of these packages. Thank you for your time and all the work you put into SageMath. Best regards, William http://wstein.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [sage-devel] Re: wasm

2024-04-30 Thread 'William Stein' via sage-devel
Hi, Thanks Dima for mentioning CoWasm. Unfortunately, I ran out of resources to work on cowasm, so there likely won't be any further work on it until things change. -- William On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > It's interesting to compare this with the developm

Re: [sage-devel] Re: conda sage

2024-03-13 Thread William Stein
With switching to Miniforge it is now working for me extremely well. I’m going to be making a new video and tutorial about this soon. Thanks for all you do Isuru! -- William Stein On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 9:11 AM Isuru Fernando wrote: > Hi William, > > Let me know if you have any

Re: [sage-devel] stopping cypari2, pari-jupyter and pplpy maintenance

2024-03-12 Thread William Stein
to help guide whoever takes over. -- William On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:44 AM Vincent Delecroix < 20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > I used to be the maintainer of cypari2, pari-jupyter and pplpy. I will > not work anymore on any of them from now on. The three pr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: conda sage

2024-03-10 Thread William Stein
10, 2024 at 5:31 PM William Stein wrote: > I was just carefully reading the page about Mambaforge linked to from > Sage, i.e., this page > > https://github.com/conda-forge/miniforge > > and it says that Mambaforge is deprecated and no longer recommended, and > instead people shou

Re: [sage-devel] Re: conda sage

2024-03-10 Thread William Stein
-$(uname)-$(uname -m).sh sh Miniforge3-$(uname)-$(uname -m).sh -b -u -p /conda -- William On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:05 PM William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > So I was using MicroMamba, whereas that page says Sage only > supports Mambaforge, Miniforge, Miniconda or Anaconda.I tried w

Re: [sage-devel] Re: conda sage

2024-03-10 Thread William Stein
easy to switch Python versions. So I'll switch from using MicroMamba to Mambaforge. Problem solved. William On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:47 PM William Stein wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Matthias Koeppe > wrote: > >> William, do the instructions in our In

Re: [sage-devel] Re: conda sage

2024-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > William, do the instructions in our Installation Guide work for you? > > https://deploy-livedoc--sagemath.netlify.app/html/en/installation/conda#install-from-conda-forge > > > Note in particular this step: "

[sage-devel] conda sage

2024-03-10 Thread William Stein
NameError Traceback (most recent call last) Cell In[1], line 1 > 1 factor(Integer(2024)) NameError: name 'factor' is not defined sage: William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Application for NumFOCUS affiliation of SageMath

2024-03-10 Thread William Stein
I remember they added some type inference optimizations, and generally greatly improved the unit testing. I've cc'd Robert and Craig in case they want to add anything. Sage has always been I think by far the biggest Cython user, and testing of Cython by Sage helps ensure better stability and quality.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Application for NumFOCUS affiliation of SageMath

2024-03-05 Thread William Stein
Hi, Related to NumFOCUS, this new proposal for Jupyter to restructure their relationship with NumFocus is possibly relevant: https://jupyter.org/governance/linux-proposal.html William On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 12:59 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > In case people are interested in a synchron

Re: [sage-devel] VOTE: Use "CI Fix" label for merging into continuous integration runs

2024-03-04 Thread William Stein
oup. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/77cc05b2-1c52-4aae-80ca-4d0ec0830e2dn%40googlegroups.co

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: use "blocker" label only for PRs; use "critical" label for Issues

2024-02-28 Thread William Stein
eate a plot with a large y-axis range, the labels on the y axis are mathematically incorrect, which is confusing to our largest group of users (beginners). -- William > > Eric. > > Le mercredi 28 février 2024 à 07:45:03 UTC+1, Kwankyu Lee a écrit : > >> Hi, >> >&

[sage-devel] Bug in finding generators of elliptic curves over a quadratic domain

2024-02-26 Thread William Paulsen
I ran the following code in SageMath 10.2: sage: K. = QuadraticField(2) sage: E = EllipticCurve([0, 60/49*a - 135/49, 0, -576/343*a + 904/343, 0]); E Elliptic Curve defined by y^2 = x^3 + (60/49*a-135/49)*x^2 + (-576/343*a+904/343)*x over Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^2 - 2 with

Re: [sage-devel] Proposal: Make pytest, pytest_xdist, pytest_mock, python_build standard packages

2024-02-10 Thread William Stein
(Also, thanks everyone for so far taking extra effort to be civil when discussing the topic of vendored dependencies, which I know touches a nerve for people.) On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 4:36 PM William Stein wrote: > > Hi Dima, > > I believe I'm the person who introduced that long sta

Re: [sage-devel] Proposal: Make pytest, pytest_xdist, pytest_mock, python_build standard packages

2024-02-10 Thread William Stein
source distro is being scanned. I hope you do bring this to a vote, and feel free to copy my above statement of support. I also strongly agree with Matthias that a vote about pip installability may be considered separately from a vote to add these testing packages. -- William On Sat, Feb 10

[sage-devel] Disputed Pull Requests / Role Sage-Abuse and the Code of Conduct

2024-01-10 Thread William Stein
experience for everyone participating in Sage development. Best regards, Volker Braun and William Stein [1] https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3Adisputed -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sa

Re: [sage-devel] Wanted: Unicode testers with PR #36861

2023-12-14 Thread William Stein
. -- William On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 2:01 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:30 PM William Stein wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Last time I benchmarked things, luatex was sometimes the slowest of > > the three major latex compilers, sometimes by a fac

Re: [sage-devel] Wanted: Unicode testers with PR #36861

2023-12-14 Thread William Stein
, performance could matter. I had nothing to do with them making xelatex the default, and I think Lua and Luatex are beautiful pieces of software. -- William On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:22 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > Hi Doris, > It just has been turned to use lualatex > > HTH > Dima

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Policy for disputed PRs: discussion

2023-11-30 Thread William Stein
e added. >>> >>> I suggest to end the voting when a week has passed after the last vote >>> was casted. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from

Re: [sage-devel] Poll: deprecate backslash operator

2023-09-30 Thread William Stein
Again, as the person who added it to Sage in the first place: deprecate. William On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 4:02 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > deprecate! > > On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 10:47 PM John H Palmieri > wrote: > > > > I asked this already but with a different sub

Re: [sage-devel] Questions about performance of SageMath, and of graph (algorithms) libraries

2023-09-30 Thread William Stein
ps://github.com/rapidsai/cugraph which is a reimplementation of networkx on top of CUDA. Presumably, with an appropriate GPU, it provides massive speedups over networkx. I haven't tried it out yet, but I plan to. -- William On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 5:52 AM Jing Guo wrote: > > Dear a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: keywords in github

2023-09-29 Thread William Stein
simple index on the words, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread. I hope the group that massively improved code search will do the same for issue search. William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" gr

Re: [sage-devel] Discussion and poll: should Sage Integers have a backslash operator?

2023-09-27 Thread William Stein
y that works without the preparser). -- William On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:09 PM John H Palmieri wrote: > > Okay, so maybe we should open this to other options: should we get rid of > preparsing "\" into "BackslashOperator"? > > For what it's worth, I removed the lin

[sage-devel] The EMS/ECMI Lanczos Prize for Mathematical Software

2023-09-15 Thread William Stein
But honestly I don't think anybody really knows what the prize will be until the committee sees actual self nominations, and discusses them at length -- it's the first year after all. Anyway, check it out if you're interested, and also forward this to anybody else who might be a good candid

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Ask about the SageMath codebase using ChatGPT

2023-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 2:56 AM Nils Bruin wrote: > > On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 20:41:51 UTC+2 William Stein wrote: > > The point is that instead of using GPT's vague memory of what it might > have seen, this instead uses the actual Sage source code, and mainly > uses

[sage-devel] Ask about the SageMath codebase using ChatGPT

2023-06-30 Thread 'William Stein' via sage-devel
-- Forwarded message - From: Naren Manoharan Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 10:53 AM Subject: Thank you for signing up and Welcome Wolfia! To: Hey William, Thanks for signing up and requesting us to index - https://github.com/sagemath/sage This is now available here - https://wolfia.com/?pro

Re: [sage-devel] Question about reading Sage documentation

2023-06-29 Thread William Stein
n of your docs is as easy as having a separate branch or tag in your version control system." -- William On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 3:33 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:46 PM Marc Culler wrote: > > > > During our recent release of SnapPy we ran across a

Re: [sage-devel] Voting: Block-scoped optional tag and the keyword

2023-06-28 Thread William Stein
to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/e3471d65-0652-4173-8eab-f5b45888c4d9n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/e3471d65-0652-4173-8eab-f5b45888c4d9n%40googlegroups.

Re: [sage-devel] Modularization project: I. The goals

2023-06-23 Thread William Stein
nefits related to other problems such as "Sage is a lot of work to maintain". William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [sage-devel] Modularization project: I. The goals

2023-06-22 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 2:15 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On Thu, 2023-06-22 at 13:56 -0700, William Stein wrote: > > > > (5) provide a WebAssembly option > > > > WebAssembly is typically about half the speed as native code (at best), > but > > it is high

Re: [sage-devel] Modularization project: I. The goals

2023-06-22 Thread William Stein
https://github.com/wasmerio/wasmer-python#supported-platforms Incidentally, building Pari to WebAssembly is officially supported and regularly tested by Bill Allombert. Here's his demo: https://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/gpexpwasm.html -- William > > -- > You received this message b

Re: [sage-devel] Modularization project: I. The goals

2023-06-15 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 6:49 PM 'Travis Scrimshaw' via sage-devel wrote: > > Hi William, >That is interesting. Although my take on that is following Matthias's > proposal, they will just use one (or more) part of Sage as a Python library. > So if they switch, in effect

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Modularation doctests

2023-06-15 Thread William Stein
ls from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/80a6ba58-17e8-4a99-950a-3bfb5e0b24fen%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/80a6ba58-17e8-4a9

Re: [sage-devel] Modularization project: I. The goals

2023-06-15 Thread William Stein
did explain how it is possible to use normal Python and import sage via "from sage.all import ...". However, properly supporting using Sage from Python like any other Python citizen would be even better, and that's something that would result from the project Matthias is spearheading. --

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Why matrix powers are slower over Integers(p) than in ZZ?

2023-06-14 Thread William Stein
ulti-modular algorithm. I don't know what your application is though. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

Re: [sage-devel] Modularization project: I. The goals

2023-06-11 Thread William Stein
s, carburetor, etc.), and it's good engineering to put a lot of effort into properly building those components. I'm absolutely blown away and thrilled Sage is still around after almost 20 years, and that you guys are actually doing that sort of work! -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You rec

Re: [sage-devel] Develop Sage inside GitHub Codespaces and/or other "cloud" options?

2023-06-03 Thread William Stein
-4c54-a3dc-a8d1dacc8b53n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@

Re: [sage-devel] Re: ping - please cast you vote: VOTE: Follow NEP 29: Recommended Python version

2023-05-30 Thread William Stein
9d557-fd7d-4c6a-8644-3ee96966b8fan%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/d459d557-fd7d-4c6a-8644-3ee96966b8fan%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > -- -- William Stein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: [sage-devel] ping - please cast you vote: VOTE: Follow NEP 29: Recommended Python version

2023-05-30 Thread William Stein
, a thread where no discussion about the vote is allowed (only a vote), etc. William > > Once again, I think we should close ranks with the rest of scientific python > people and start following NEP 29. > We have much more urgent stuff to work on - buggy Pynac, buggy Singular > inte

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: Follow NEP 29: Recommended Python version

2023-05-26 Thread William Stein
It's a debate. It's the sort of heated discussion about NEP 29 that I wish I could read, but (maybe) I can't because some "powers that be" just decided on NEP 29 in private (which is their right of course as volunteers and open source maintainers). -- William -- William (http://wste

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: Follow NEP 29: Recommended Python version

2023-05-26 Thread William Stein
n gets handled by some third party distribution such as conda (etc.). That's been discussed with great optimism recently on this list. I hope soon Sage isn't a distribution, but right now it still is. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: Follow NEP 29: Recommended Python version

2023-05-26 Thread William Stein
d them keep their sanity. But if that's the case, it's decided in secret as far as I can tell. -- William On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 6:34 AM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > Thanks, Tobias, for opening this vote thread. Here on sage-devel, this is a > much better setting than what you attempted

[sage-devel] pathname escaping in animate().gif

2023-05-07 Thread William Orrick
I have encountered the problem that when I try running bdFrames.gif(delay=5,savefile='myFilename',use_ffmpeg=True) the following error message is produced: CalledProcessError: Command 'cd "/var/folders/v8/ksjcxlh9775658j_hrwqvlj8gq/T/tmpzm1odw2y/dir_ivudixzd/"; ffmpeg -nostdin -y -f

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-27 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 1:21 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:49:50 AM UTC-7 William Stein wrote: > > To what extent does or could Conda with a little more work solve most > of these problems? [...] > I also think this section > https://doc

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-27 Thread William Stein
Isuru, Thanks for answering all my questions. I just want to reiterate that I'm thrilled with what you are doing and greatly appreciate it! William On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:07 AM Isuru Fernando wrote: > > > it fails with "└─ sage is uninstallable because there are no viabl

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-27 Thread William Stein
tem, all at once, and have them not get screwed up when we do normal system updates. Doing major Ubuntu version updates (e.g., 20.04 --> 22.04) doesn't have to be supported. My impression is that conda potentially solves this problem at least as well as sage-the-distribution does right now.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
rom it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/3c05b1b8-f8e3-4fb1-b39e-f296e5efd40bn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/3c05b1b8-f8e3-4fb1-b39e-f2

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAChs6_mzNg%3D5EyjBjOXMSvTKEECWW7QD%2BzyQCkZ1Na45kk5GSw%40mail.gmail.com. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
on this list. -- William On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 12:20 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 8:18 PM Matthias Koeppe > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > This discussion happened 2 yea

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
he preparser features in the "from future import ..." style of Python. https://github.com/sagemathinc/cowasm/blob/main/python/pylang/README.md#math-extensions-like-the-sage-preparser -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Why SR('expression') fail on some but not others?

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
for that mapping, but is ugly. Then lament no json... William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.co

Re: Re: [sage-devel] ChatGPT is an expert in SageMath too

2023-04-21 Thread William Stein
derived works. If the output of an LLM is a derived work (and not just some fair use of that input), then there is legally nothing particularly special about GPL in the context of training LLM's. That I think successfully undercuts my point in starting this thread. -- William On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1

Re: [sage-devel] ChatGPT is an expert in SageMath too

2023-04-20 Thread William Stein
r academic community's choice of license could explain why LLM's output code that's much more like Sympy (say) than SageMath's, and perhaps why LLM's are not as good at using Sage. William P.S.In case anybody is curious, Sage was originally GPL'd because it is a derived work of Pari, and Pari is

Re: [sage-devel] RealField isn't doing it right

2023-04-18 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 7:35 PM aw wrote: > [...] You and your people have a *very strong* tendency to nitpick details > instead of staying focused on the big picture. You're right, respecting details is indeed a very strong characteristic of professional mathematicians. -- William

Re: [sage-devel] RealField isn't doing it right

2023-04-18 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 5:15 PM aw wrote: > In high-precision environments like RealField(1000), Sage should *definitely* > use the math semantics, because physics people, or engineers, or any other > applied type folks, have zero use for 1000 bits of precision in anything that > they do.

Re: [sage-devel] RealField isn't doing it right

2023-04-17 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 9:11 PM Nils Bruin wrote: > > It's certainly reasonable to not call a floating point field "RealField". > C and python don't even do that: they call such elements floats. I'm less > sure whether such a RealFloats field should be any less prominent than it > is now. Plus

Re: [sage-devel] modular form basis

2023-04-17 Thread William Stein
sage because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.co

Re: [sage-devel] RealField isn't doing it right

2023-04-15 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:25 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 18:20 -0400, David Roe wrote: > > I agree with William that you should refrain from insulting the Sage > > developers, especially when the underlying problem comes from your > > misunder

Re: [sage-devel] RealField isn't doing it right

2023-04-15 Thread William Stein
never allow their library to give a junk answer. > > Wolfram would never allow Mathematica or Alpha to give a junk answer. > > Why the heck are the Sage devs allowing Sage to give junk answers? > > -aw > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to

[sage-devel] Sage developer's guide

2023-04-04 Thread 'William Stein' via sage-devel
Trac to GitHub for the preliminary version of the workflow." It seems like that banne could be updated a bit, now that it is April. I do realize that there's still a lot being hashed out about the exact workflow... William [1] https://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/developer/index.html -- Best Regard

Re: [sage-devel] Re: where is rpy2

2023-03-25 Thread William Stein
and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/548532e6-4cba-4d38-bd1e-093b08f2429an%40googlegroups.com. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You receiv

Re: [sage-devel] Re: where is rpy2

2023-03-25 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 12:13 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, 18:57 Matthias Koeppe, wrote: >> >> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:29:32 AM UTC-7 William Stein wrote: >> >> It seems to me that these days there are three >&g

Re: [sage-devel] Re: where is rpy2

2023-03-25 Thread William Stein
ckage. Probably rpy2 should be completely removed from sage, and people should pip install it instead. However, instructions to do that could be provided if anybody touches the "r." interface... -- William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you ar

[sage-devel] where is rpy2

2023-03-25 Thread William Stein
that building Sage depends on R being installed, or we have to change the definition of "standard" package. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop re

Re: [sage-devel] Github Discussions

2023-02-08 Thread William Stein
at the sympy Discussions at https://github.com/sympy/sympy/discussions I had a positive impression, since there's a lot of activity, with questions clearly marked "answered", etc. So thanks for sharing how painful that can be from the dev side. -- William On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 10:1

[sage-devel] Github Discussions

2023-02-08 Thread William Stein
s by other projects: - Next js (a react framework) uses it very heavily -- https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions - CoCalc -- we use it a bit: https://github.com/sagemathinc/cocalc/discussions Thoughts? William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message b

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

2022-10-06 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 8:45 AM John H Palmieri wrote: > Hi William, > There is nothing in our department's bylaws to provide for a delay of voting, > but we have a chair and we have an executive committee, and the hope is that > they care not only about the particular issue at ha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

2022-10-05 Thread William Stein
er 1, and several > people (William and Dima) have made arguments for making a decision more > quickly." I find this rather dismissive of the views of those who requested a > more deliberate process. It would be good to have a procedure for determining > timing for votes, something

Re: [sage-devel] Democratic issue: rushing decisions

2022-10-05 Thread William Stein
> several developers asked for delays The only governance mechanism we have for decision making in the Sage project currently is a vote of the entire dev community. Thus there is no way to consider your request to delay voting aside from having even more voting. -- William On Wed, Oc

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Invitation: Weekly 30-minute Sage developer calls on Jitsi

2022-10-03 Thread William Stein
ls from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAAWYfq2Vm4yakjdu8JQ3WF-Y0NK7s-B%3Dwug-b%2B5qKDOMw2yRvg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAA

Re: [sage-devel] DISCUSS: move Sage development to Github

2022-09-24 Thread William Stein
ld provide a read-only copy of all the pages on trac.We could also automatically edit each static page to have a clear banner stating that it is an archive, and include a link to the corresponding GitHub issue. I'm not volunteering to do that. I'm just saying it is technically possibl

Re: [sage-devel] Re: is it intentional that prod does not stop when it hits 0?

2022-09-22 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] VOTE: move Sage development to Github

2022-09-21 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-20 Thread William Stein
age, but I don't think he's contributed code to the library -- at least I didn't find him in Dima's list from GitHub. William On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 11:00 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 5:42 PM David Roe wrote: > > > > When I did this a few weeks ago ther

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-20 Thread William Stein
t > > please let's not revisit past controversies): So I'll withdraw my 2/3 > > proposal, but suggest we do keep sage-devel as the criterion. > > https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/dR3_eyIUyac/m/LyALpiLcHuQJ > > Quoting from William (8 years ago!!!) > > &g

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-19 Thread William Stein
or example, Harald Schilly has been the webmaster of Sage since 2007 and likely cares about this switch since it can impact him, but I don't think he reads sage-devel. -- William On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 2:10 PM David Roe wrote: > > Given that we've had far more interest in Github than Gitla

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-19 Thread William Stein
. For comparison, as of today there are 60,730 Python issues and 34,557 sagetrac issues, so the size of the relevant data sets is comparable. So to anybody who are working on this herculean effort, my hat is off to you. William On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 12:51 AM Marc Mezzarobba wrote

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-18 Thread William Stein
quent questions (involving users, issue comments, labels, etc.): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOXuOg9tQI In my experience, the search built into GitHub is at least 10x (or maybe 100x?) faster than our trac search, e.g., try searching https://trac.sagemath.org/search versus https://github.com/

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-16 Thread William Stein
are taking the very real problems of Sage's dev infrastructure so very seriously right now. William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving e

Re: [sage-devel] Re: On changing Bernoulli(1) to +½

2022-09-15 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] sage zoom meeting reminder

2022-09-15 Thread William Stein
We took quick notes from the discussion during the short meeting here - https://cocalc.com/wstein/sagedev/2022-09-15 On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:19 AM William Stein wrote: > > I've also created an agenda file here: > > https://cocalc.com/wstein/sagedev/2022-09-15 > &g

Re: [sage-devel] sage zoom meeting reminder

2022-09-15 Thread William Stein
create a meeting and > post the details here? > > Matthias > > On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:16:42 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 3:54 PM William Stein wrote: >> > >> > Reminder -- that 30 minute Sage zoom meeting thing

Re: [sage-devel] sage zoom meeting reminder

2022-09-15 Thread William Stein
Matthias just wrote that he is having technical troubles with zoom. Here's where we will have the meeting instead: https://meet.jit.si/d8a744b413e339d95fba907b81fb249609520161 On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:16 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 3:54 PM William Stein

[sage-devel] sage zoom meeting reminder

2022-09-15 Thread William Stein
Reminder -- that 30 minute Sage zoom meeting thing that Matthias organized is happening in a few minutes from right now at https://ucdavis.zoom.us/j/92371662861?pwd=TDZKR0lKb2xzTGhiM0l3cnFmaGRadz09 (8:15 pacific time to be exact.) -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-15 Thread William Stein
emember Oracle killing Sun Microsofts literally months after SageMath started getting some *major* marketing and vendor support from Sun.) -- William [1] Related to this, the JupyterLab project this week flipped a switch to *require* all developers with commit access to use 2-factor authenti

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-13 Thread William Stein
API, which I've used and is actually really good. -- William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai

Re: [sage-devel] Re: On changing Bernoulli(1) to +½

2022-09-12 Thread William Stein
erration deeply embedded. Yet Luschny convinced me that we have all been wrong, and that it's high time to change back to the correct definition before the situation gets even worse. Therefore I changed the definition of $B_1$ in all printings of The Art of Computer Programming..." - Dona

Re: [sage-devel] On changing Bernoulli(1) to +½

2022-09-10 Thread William Stein
d > it indeed breaks some tests in sage/modular/modform: I created all of the files listed below. My guess is that code for computing q-expansions of Eisenstein series assume B(1) is what it is, and one would just need to change that code by changing a sign somewhere. William > >

Re: [sage-devel] On changing Bernoulli(1) to +½

2022-09-10 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] Fwd: request for help: macOS PARI binaries

2022-09-09 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sagemath-admins] Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github? [prompted by FUNDING issues!!!] + general flakiness of trac

2022-09-09 Thread William Stein
. For example, I don't contribute to Sage anymore because the barrier to entry via trac is too high. I contributed (and had accepted) a little pull request yesterday to numpy **because** the barrier was so low. -- William On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 7:40 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Fri

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac no longer seems to push to sagetrac-mirror

2022-09-02 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Polling for pygments style for our future doc

2022-08-04 Thread William Stein
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[sage-devel] MAA mathfast

2022-07-27 Thread William Stein
t stickers, or hang out. Thanks! William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googl

Re: [sage-devel] Re: System upgrades breaking sage frequently

2022-07-26 Thread William Stein
that's not the issue in the thread. Could there be a single option to the Sage build system such as: "--without-system" that disables all system libraries, and hence behaves exactly like Sage used to? Is there already such an option that I don't know about? William On Mon, Jul 25, 2022

Re: [sage-devel] Is trac down?

2022-07-10 Thread William Stein
It should work now. A certain person accidentally deleted the billing account, and I've restored that and started the server. William On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 2:55 PM William Stein wrote: > > On it. > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 2:45 PM John H Palmieri > wrote: > &g

Re: [sage-devel] Is trac down?

2022-07-10 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] Introduction to differentiable manifolds in SageMath

2022-07-02 Thread William Stein
what is on github directly. Also, you can easily click "Edit" and in about 25 seconds you're running a notebook with Sage! William On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 11:42 AM William Stein wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 1:42 AM Eric Gourgoulhon > wrote: > > > > Le sam

[sage-devel] GitHub uses SageMath (Maintainer Month donation)

2022-06-26 Thread William Stein
* I think that's a nice gesture from GitHub, and I'm happy knowing that Sagemath is one of the projects GitHub depends on. -- William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from

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