[sage-devel] Re: Problem with pari in 7.4beta6

2016-10-02 Thread leif
Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > This is now Trac#21622 <https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/21622>, which I > have no idea how to fix. man perlrun You can for example call perl with '-I.', or put that into the environment variable PERL5OPT. -leif > Le dimanche 2 octobre 2016

[sage-devel] Re: openblas segfault?

2016-10-01 Thread leif
fixed or worked around that previously. I also noticed Sage's OpenBLAS package ("again") uselessly depends on Sage's Python. And OpenBLAS' "configure" step doesn't seem to report anything useful... -leif > (OpenBLAS 2.15, the current version, is from 11 months ago.)

[sage-devel] Re: trouble compiling latest sage development version

2016-10-01 Thread leif
the macros used though.) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[sage-devel] Re: linbox 64-bit charpoly

2016-09-28 Thread leif
//flintlib.org> seems to be having problems at the moment). [OT:] flintlib.org (and mpir.org) is hosted at UW, where apparently some hardware damage (William said a UPS, affecting some switch) makes the connections at least that slow I cannot access anything there (e.g. also files.sagemath.or

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-27 Thread leif
I will definitely power off everything except this one new machine >> one week from now. ** > > no volunteers to migrate files/build/rsync.sagemath.org... We should > just switch to GitHub. Repost with a subject more on topic? -leif -- You received this message because y

[sage-devel] Re: openblas segfault?

2016-09-26 Thread leif
(I haven't tried 6.x yet though IIRC; GMP-ECM 6.4 built with '-march=native -O3' was an example exposing this in the past, 7.x no longer does.) -leif > I am mostly guessing, but mentioning gcc 5.1.0 in the log does > sound to me as if your toolchain might be broken aft

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-26 Thread leif
s always up-to-date, including betas. -leif > On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 10:52:13 AM UTC+2, Harald Schilly > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Dima Pasechnik > <dim...@gmail.com> wrote: > > this really has to be docume

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-26 Thread leif
ccess files.sagemath.org etc.; looks as if a bunch of IPs would get blocked since about Saturday (or perhaps Friday), ping (ICMP) in contrast worked IIRC, doesn't either atm. (And I did get timeouts for http[s]://trac.sagemath.org yesterday as well, which is yet another issue but others appare

[sage-devel] Re: How about automatic install of all possible optional packages by a patchbot?

2016-09-13 Thread leif
t well-organized at the moment; as klee mentioned, it's not obvious which bot tests with which optional packages, and AFAIK the buildbots aren't integrated into trac at all -- they IMHO should (i.e., their results should at least be accessible from trac tickets in the same way the patchbots' are).

[sage-devel] Re: How about automatic install of all possible optional packages by a patchbot?

2016-09-13 Thread leif
ts potential failures. I was fortunate. > > It could have been the other way around as well: Your patch works *with* > some optional package that you happen to have and forgot for some > reason, but it doesn't work without. Yes, that's exactly what I /tried to/ say as well... -leif >

[sage-devel] Re: How about automatic install of all possible optional packages by a patchbot?

2016-09-12 Thread leif
tried to install as many optional packages on SMC as possible, and regularly tested each beta IIRC. Not sure if that's still the case. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group a

[sage-devel] Re: Compilation error with linbox-1.4.2 during compilation of sage 7.4.beta4

2016-09-12 Thread leif
e should probably configure linbox with --with-maple=no ... or fix the build error. I'll post to #17635... -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[sage-devel] Re: Compilation error with linbox-1.4.2 during compilation of sage 7.4.beta4

2016-09-12 Thread leif
and 7.4.beta2 on the > same computer. > I tried a `make distclean` but the problem remains. > Any help is more than welcome ! Presumably works if you temporarily hide your MAPLE. (I'll put a note onto the upgrade ticket [1]; you could *attach* ;-) your log there as well.) -leif [1] ht

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-11 Thread leif
see local/etc/ccache.conf.) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-11 Thread leif
of your own bdists), but because of the hardcoded absolute paths, this (and other things) have become a headache. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-11 Thread leif
Johan S. H. Rosenkilde wrote: > > leif writes: >> Well, probably it's just me, but I always (also) review tickets on trac >> (i.e., via what git-o-lite gives); the whole branch, but also each >> individual commit. You just need a browser to do so. > > I use g

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-10 Thread leif
Johan S. H. Rosenkilde wrote: > leif writes: >>> But if you want to actually make changes then this creates a new merge >>> commit which furthermore is against the conventional order (where the >>> feature branch is the first parent). So it makes the commit his

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-10 Thread leif
been updated to the next beta, something either trac or a patchbot could implement.) If you always base your branches on the latest *beta*, others will just get forced to pull and build the latter (with typically loads of completely unrelated changes), no matter whether they fetch or pull your branc

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-10 Thread leif
Volker Braun wrote: > There is cycache, but its currently disabled in Sage as we ran into some > bugs. Well, since quite a while though, isn't it? Did anyone recently check whether the issue still exists, or could you give a pointer? -leif > On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:20:

[sage-devel] Re: 404 in Sage Installation Guide

2016-09-10 Thread leif
Harald Schilly wrote: > On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 12:16:36 AM UTC+2, leif wrote: > > The link to README..txt ("Be sure to read the file ..." [!]) > > http://www.sagemath.org/mirror/win/README.txt > <http://www.sagemath.org/mirror/win/

[sage-devel] Re: PYTHONUSERBASE?

2016-09-10 Thread leif
still solves a lot of the tiny issues that arise, when you try to do computational mathematics in those areas. -- harald (Feel free to also read the replies which -- regarding the subject of the list -- naturally state a different point of view.) -leif [1] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipe

[sage-devel] Re: 404 in Sage Installation Guide

2016-09-09 Thread leif
rt-cut to the wiki page, which isn't directly linked to from the Installation Guide, at least not in that section. -leif > On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 3:16:36 PM UTC-7, leif wrote: > > The link to README.txt ("Be sure to read the file ..." [!]) > >

[sage-devel] Re: PYTHONUSERBASE?

2016-09-09 Thread leif
). And as always, there are three important things: Documentation, documentation, and documentation. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-de

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-09 Thread leif
you can use git diff --stat old_branch new_branch -- src/sage/... For the two branches which allegedly only differ by a newly created file, the above should give just a single line for exactly that file (plus a one-line summary on the last line). -leif -- You received this message because you a

[sage-devel] Re: sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-09 Thread leif
don't trust cython, you can compare files (or whole subtrees) yourself: git diff old_branch new_branch -- src/sage/... -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving e

[sage-devel] Re: What is "do_system"?

2016-09-09 Thread leif
Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-09-09 08:23, Simon King wrote: >> Is there a cleaner/less costly way to remove a file? > > Obviously yes: > > #include > remove(const char *pathname); For files, unlink(). -leif -- You received this message because you are subscri

[sage-devel] Re: What is "do_system"?

2016-09-08 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Simon King wrote: >> Hi Nils, hi Leif, >> >> On 2016-09-08, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >>>> Googling suggests that this might be a part of glibc: >>>> >>>> https://github.com/lattera/glibc/blob/master/sysdeps/

[sage-devel] Re: What is "do_system"?

2016-09-08 Thread leif
Simon King wrote: > Hi Nils, hi Leif, > > On 2016-09-08, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >>> Googling suggests that this might be a part of glibc: >>> >>> https://github.com/lattera/glibc/blob/master/sysdeps/posix/system.c#L52 > > Aha! Sin

[sage-devel] Re: What is "do_system"?

2016-09-08 Thread leif
uld seem you're > profiling quite a bit of OS interaction. Presumably smth like system("pip list") from is_package_installed()... 8-) I'd take a look with the system monitor (or whatever it's called on your system), with tree view of processes. -leif -- You received this message be

[sage-devel] 404 in Sage Installation Guide

2016-09-08 Thread leif
ook. Somemeone please adapt the final steps." -leif [1] https://wiki.sagemath.org/SageAppliance/SageMath-7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[sage-devel] Re: segmentation fault in sage 7.3

2016-09-08 Thread leif
Stan wrote: > Dear all, > > I am on debian jessy 64bit and after installing sage 7.3 Does that mean you took a pre-built binary, or did you build from source? -leif > I keep getting > segfault for the same worksheets that run smoothly in sage 6.8. I have > now managed

[sage-devel] Re: ReST References in Sphinx and uniqueness

2016-09-08 Thread leif
haps unless your disk is very very slow, or the box is in addition swapping). -leif > On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 10:59:19 PM UTC-7, Johan S. R. Nielsen > wrote: > > > Regarding speed, there are two issues: > > > > 1. Building the documentation from sc

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrade to Singular 4.x

2016-09-08 Thread leif
trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17254#comment:433 (AFAICS, just changed signs.) -leif > I was trying to test what happened, but ran into trouble building > #17254. I have a copy of sage at 7.4 beta1 and merged this ticket into a > test branch and ran make, but the build failed with errors com

[sage-devel] Re: Add psutil as standard package

2016-09-08 Thread leif
Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-09-07 15:09, leif wrote: >>[x] Use it in other places as well >>(related to multiprocessing, such as >> doctesting, docbuilding, building the >> Sage library -- in the long run) > > I

[sage-devel] Re: Add psutil as standard package

2016-09-07 Thread leif
ry, disks, network) in Python. >> >> >> [X] I agree, let's make psutil standard > > And contribute to the demiscification of Sage :P ROFL, I first read "descientification" (for whatever reason...) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrade to Singular 4.x

2016-09-07 Thread leif
y^4 - 4*y^2 + 16 defined by 8*y^2*s0^4 + (4*a0^3)*y*s0^3 - 32*s0^2 + (a0^3 - 8*a0)*y) ---^ -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from i

[sage-devel] Re: Add psutil as standard package

2016-09-07 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: >> [x] I agree, let's make psutil standard > > [x] I agree > > [x] Why is it that large? [x] Use it in other places as well (related to multiprocessing, such as doctesting, docbuilding, buildin

[sage-devel] Re: Add psutil as standard package

2016-09-07 Thread leif
Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > [x] I agree, let's make psutil standard [x] I agree [x] Why is it that large? -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[sage-devel] Re: Suggestion for main configure script to give package names for Latex.

2016-09-06 Thread leif
less someone is willing to update it, I > suggest it might be better removed. > > > Thanks for this suggestion. I updated the page. Positive review. ;-) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To uns

[sage-devel] Re: Suggestion for main configure script to give package names for Latex.

2016-09-06 Thread leif
ttps://www.archlinux.org/ And as a proper desktop environment, MATE (continuation of GNOME 2; GNOME 3.x is broken and totally unusable for people like us... ;-) ): http://mate-desktop.org/ (FWIW, there's e.g. also Ubuntu MATE: https://ubuntu-mate.org/ ) -leif > First configure would n

[sage-devel] Re: ReST References in Sphinx and uniqueness

2016-09-05 Thread leif
nothing changed. (My recent impression is though that some files accidentally get touched somehow, such that they to Sphinx look modified. I can't give any concrete example, just noticed.) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-deve

[sage-devel] Python 2.7: subprocess32 (=backport from Python 3.2)

2016-09-04 Thread leif
our pexpect interfaces and a few other things that occasionally cause trouble. -leif [1] https://docs.python.org/2.7/library/subprocess.html#module-subprocess [2] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/subprocess32/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

[sage-devel] Re: Error building package: sagelib-7.4.beta2

2016-09-02 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Simon Brandhorst wrote: >> [sagelib-7.4.beta2] Building interpreters for fast_callable >> [sagelib-7.4.beta2] python -u setup.py install >> [sagelib-7.4.beta2] >> >> [sagelib-

[sage-devel] Re: Error building package: sagelib-7.4.beta2

2016-09-02 Thread leif
dhorst/sage/sage/local/lib/python/subprocess.py", line > 1335, in _execute_child > [sagelib-7.4.beta2] raise child_exception > [sagelib-7.4.beta2] OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory 'pip' is a Sage standard package, hence ${SAGE_LOCAL}/bin/pip should be there. Presumably

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-02 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Simon Brandhorst wrote: >> I did it triple-safe. >> Doesn't seem to work. Here is the log. > > As guessed, the sizeof(long) test fails due to a runtime linker error. > (Singular's 'configure' uses all libs found so far even in unrelated > tests, and you s

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-02 Thread leif
which it picks up.) sizeof(long) should be set to 8 now though. So where does the build fail now? Could you move your libomalloc.so out of the way such that Singular won't find and try to use that? (It's supposed to build its own.) -leif > On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 1:48:46 AM UTC+2, l

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-02 Thread leif
leif wrote: > leif wrote: >> Simon Brandhorst wrote: >>> Thank you leif. Sorry for taking so long to answer. I did not bring my >>> laptop to work - so I could not get the log until now. >> >> Never mind. Please post / attach >> /home/simon/sage/loc

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
leif wrote: > leif wrote: >> Simon Brandhorst wrote: >>> Thank you leif. Sorry for taking so long to answer. I did not bring my >>> laptop to work - so I could not get the log until now. >> >> Never mind. Please post / attach >> /home/simon/sage/loc

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Simon Brandhorst wrote: >> Thank you leif. Sorry for taking so long to answer. I did not bring my >> laptop to work - so I could not get the log until now. > > Never mind. Please post / attach > /home/simon/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/singular-3.1.7p1.p2/s

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Simon Brandhorst wrote: >> Thank you leif. Sorry for taking so long to answer. I did not bring my >> laptop to work - so I could not get the log until now. > > Never mind. Please post / attach > /home/simon/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/singular-3.1.7p1.

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
Simon Brandhorst wrote: > Thank you leif. Sorry for taking so long to answer. I did not bring my > laptop to work - so I could not get the log until now. Never mind. Please post / attach /home/simon/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/singular-3.1.7p1.p2/src/latest/config.log . > A workaro

[sage-devel] Re: Categories catalog?

2016-09-01 Thread leif
every (I think) Sage crash report: XD > --> 377 import sage.all # until sage's import hell is fixed -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro

[sage-devel] Re: giacpy depends (silently) on SageObject

2016-09-01 Thread leif
nually" figure out /which/ packages might need rebuilding after a change to some specific part of the Sage library. -leif > Moreover, I think that we should fix at some moment a definite API for > all these base classes and coercion. Not now since there is some > cleaning g

[sage-devel] Re: giacpy depends (silently) on SageObject

2016-09-01 Thread leif
Vincent Delecroix wrote: > On 31/08/16 19:48, leif wrote: >> leif wrote: >>> leif wrote: >>>> Vincent Delecroix wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> In the optional package giacpy there are some extension classes tha

[sage-devel] Re: Categories catalog?

2016-09-01 Thread leif
add aliases > like AdditiveCommutativeGroups = CommutativeAdditiveGroups. ... while you don't need a catalog to create such an alias. Still, having a catalog wouldn't be bad. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
.3 was released. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sa

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Simon Brandhorst wrote: >> So here are the logs. And a larger bit of the install.log > > Thanks, but we'd need the config.log files from Singular, not Sage's > top-level one, in your case: > > /home/simon/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/singular-3.1.7p1.

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-09-01 Thread leif
kes an allegedly cached value for sizeof(long) from Singular's top-level 'configure', where the value indeed appears to be already wrong, probably also: /home/simon/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/singular-3.1.7p1.p2/src/latest/config.cache -leif -- You received this message because you are subscri

[sage-devel] Re: tutte_polynomial tests

2016-09-01 Thread leif
Francois Bissey wrote: > https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/21355 > and > https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/21289 > for the fix And you may consider subscribing to sage-release... ;-) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

[sage-devel] Re: giacpy depends (silently) on SageObject

2016-08-31 Thread leif
leif wrote: > leif wrote: >> leif wrote: >>> Vincent Delecroix wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> In the optional package giacpy there are some extension classes that >>>> depend on SageObject. Hence if I do some modification

[sage-devel] Re: giacpy depends (silently) on SageObject

2016-08-31 Thread leif
leif wrote: > leif wrote: >> Vincent Delecroix wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> In the optional package giacpy there are some extension classes that >>> depend on SageObject. Hence if I do some modification to SageObject and >>> perform &q

[sage-devel] Re: giacpy depends (silently) on SageObject

2016-08-31 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Vincent Delecroix wrote: >> Hello, >> >> In the optional package giacpy there are some extension classes that >> depend on SageObject. Hence if I do some modification to SageObject and >> perform "make" the giacpy package is broken. Is there

[sage-devel] Re: giacpy depends (silently) on SageObject

2016-08-31 Thread leif
ternal packages that depends on sagelib when doing "make"? Try adding $(SAGERUNTIME) to its dependencies file, *before* the '|'. Unfortunately we don't have a file with a timestamp for the Sage library in local/var/lib/sage/installed/ that could be touched. -leif -- You received t

[sage-devel] Re: Error building sage source "error: need equal sizes for long and void*"

2016-08-31 Thread leif
e' failed (presumably indeed that of omalloc), as Singular consists of a couple of components with their own 'configure' scripts. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[sage-devel] Re: Bug in FreeQuadraticModule.discriminant()

2016-08-31 Thread leif
trings don't use proper markup...) > Perhaps someone ought to look through all occurrences of ^ in .py files > outside of docstrings (where they are OK thanks to preparsing). Well, there are a couple of valid xor uses in the Sage library as well. -leif > On 31 August 2016 at 13:44, S

[sage-devel] Re: Should we close all tickets with milestone "sage-duplicate/invalid/wontfix"?

2016-08-31 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Erik Bray wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> >> wrote: >>> On 2016-08-30 19:44, leif wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyway, our current policy is that *only* the release manager is allowed

[sage-devel] Re: Should we close all tickets with milestone "sage-duplicate/invalid/wontfix"?

2016-08-31 Thread leif
Erik Bray wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> > wrote: >> On 2016-08-30 19:44, leif wrote: >>> >>> Anyway, our current policy is that *only* the release manager is allowed >>> to close tickets, so I woul

[sage-devel] Re: missing emails from trac

2016-08-31 Thread leif
Erik Bray wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:02 AM, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >> leif wrote: >>> Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 5:20:37 PM UTC, leif wrote: >>>> >>>> FWIW, I n

[sage-devel] Re: missing emails from trac

2016-08-30 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 5:20:37 PM UTC, leif wrote: >> >> FWIW, I now have *significant* delay in (apparently) *all* >> notifications >> from trac, even between those for the same ticket where the

[sage-devel] Re: missing emails from trac

2016-08-30 Thread leif
Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 5:20:37 PM UTC, leif wrote: > > FWIW, I now have *significant* delay in (apparently) *all* > notifications > from trac, even between those for the same ticket where the comments > were made

[sage-devel] Re: Should we close all tickets with milestone "sage-duplicate/invalid/wontfix"?

2016-08-30 Thread leif
o close tickets, so I wouldn't do without first asking. (Although he probably doesn't have the time to answer either... ;-) ) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivin

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-30 Thread leif
y" (=explicitly) install it then (or in the future, perhaps have to configure Sage '--with-R' or something like that). -leif > This boils down to : > > * R binary standard > * R interface standard > * R binary optional > * R interface optional > > My vote goes to R b

[sage-devel] Re: missing emails from trac

2016-08-30 Thread leif
I now have *significant* delay in (apparently) *all* notifications from trac, even between those for the same ticket where the comments were made within a few minutes. -leif > To me, it sounds like a configuration issue. Top hit > I got is this SE page, which is most likely what n

[sage-devel] Re: How to use Sage's doc builder off the source tree

2016-08-30 Thread leif
markup (especially sections) in docstrings; it just looks for and extracts code examples, i.e., (properly indented) blocks of lines starting with a (Sage) prompt and eventual lines with output following it. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl

[sage-devel] Re: How to check if package is up-to-date?

2016-08-28 Thread leif
Simon King wrote: > Hi Leif, > > On 2016-08-28, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >> I have to admit I had to try whether this has changed "recently", but >> no, already installed optional / experimental packages still aren't >> reconsidered up

[sage-devel] Re: How to check if package is up-to-date?

2016-08-28 Thread leif
Simon King wrote: > Hi Leif, > > On 2016-08-28, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >> Yes and no ;-) -- with "has installed" meaning the passive present form >> (rather "the user somehow has an old version installed", where >> "manually&

[sage-devel] Re: How to check if package is up-to-date?

2016-08-28 Thread leif
Simon King wrote: > Hey! > > On 2016-08-19, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >> Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >>> What is the recommended way to check if the latest version of a given >>> Sage package is installed? The function is_package_installed()

[sage-devel] Re: How to use Sage's doc builder off the source tree

2016-08-28 Thread leif
s you plan on eventually putting the code in Sage I wouldn't use > Sage docstring format. E.g google-style docstrings are a better syntax, > have better tooling (sphinx-napoleon), and nicer looking output. Is there any (probably long-term) plan to change Sage's docstrings (i.e., to a better forma

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

2016-08-27 Thread leif
000 sage: 2*s < n*log(n, 2) False sage: 2*s > n*log(n, 2) False sage: 2*s > n*log(n, 2r) 24 > 8*log(8)/log(2) sage: bool(2*s > n*log(n, 2r)) True sage: bool(2r*s > n*log(n, 2r)) True sage: bool(2r*s > n*log(n, 2)) False sage: 24 > N(n*log(n, 2r)) True -leif --

[sage-devel] Re: missing emails from trac

2016-08-26 Thread leif
I noticed) I definitely didn't get a notification for an ordinary post on a ticket, but that was perhaps a couple of weeks ago. Closure notifications seem still to be a problem, I did get exactly /one/ for the tickets merged into 7.4.beta1, while I was cc'ed / participated in a couple. -leif --

[sage-devel] Re: broken %attach and %debug ?

2016-08-26 Thread leif
but upstream would have to accept it of course. I'm not sure it would be suitable, as AFAIK we use our own Cython stuff to attach Cython files, i.e., extension modules.) -leif > * Frédéric Chapoton <fchapot...@gmail.com> [2016-08-26 06:01:23]: > >>and me too, this

[sage-devel] Re: dependency on packages typed 'pip'

2016-08-26 Thread leif
, and doesn't fit the other "types". (See also comments from Erik and me on the neighbour thread on R regarding what package types we'd need...) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubsc

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

2016-08-26 Thread leif
leif wrote: > Jori Mäntysalo wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: >> >>> Hmmm, does Posets.BooleanLattice() care whether you pass an int or an >>> Integer? (I.e., does the return type of its methods change?) >> >> No: >&g

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

2016-08-26 Thread leif
Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: > >> Hmmm, does Posets.BooleanLattice() care whether you pass an int or an >> Integer? (I.e., does the return type of its methods change?) > > No: > > sage: P = Posets.BooleanLattice(3) > sage: Q = Po

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

2016-08-26 Thread leif
Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: > >> Apparently log() behaves differently depending on whether it is called >> with Sage Integers or Python ints. (Not sure whether the other integer >> literal also matters here.) >> >> (You should g

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

2016-08-26 Thread leif
gt; What's wrong? Somehow comparison and logaritms don't mix (again). Apparently log() behaves differently depending on whether it is called with Sage Integers or Python ints. (Not sure whether the other integer literal also matters here.) (You should get the same in the Sage session when using 2r in

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-25 Thread leif
urrent version of R? (The 'configure' bug I reported upstream May last year is by the way still in 3.3.1, although the patch I submitted is pretty trivial.) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from t

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-24 Thread leif
less copy-pasting from what we already have, although we might improve the existing code -- including doctests -- to become more generic.) Erik, have you opened some ticket (or thread, wiki page) regarding that? (Sage "repackagers" will certainly be interested in such as well.) -leif P.S.

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-23 Thread leif
) if we keep R standard, despite (my impression being) that only few people at all need Sage's R. -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-23 Thread leif
still would have to deal with other stuff R no longer includes, OTOH at least libpcre. (And standard packages must not depend on optional ones, just saying.) -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from

[sage-devel] Re: Iterators and KeyboardInterrupt

2016-08-22 Thread leif
ious call to :meth:`reset_exploring_iterator`. > > > On a related topic. In the situation just described, the next exploration > will have to begin from the root of the tree resulting in a lot of wasted > effort. Is there any way around this? Sending a node of the tree back to the >

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

2016-08-22 Thread leif
web interface has meanwhile gone, will perhaps return if others take over; luckily NNTP is still there.) -leif [1] https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/ > I see that combinat.sagemath.org/doc is now redirected to the main > Sage documentation. Gi

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-22 Thread leif
our upstream tarballs with it, probably even dropping bzip2.) In case we made R optional, we could re-include some stuff (such as PCRE) into the "upstream" tarball as well; not sure if we should do so if we keep R standard. My 2ct, -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[sage-devel] Re: Problem retrieving a (positively reviewed) ticket

2016-08-21 Thread leif
Volker Braun wrote: > This should be fixed now Yep, the refs are back (also with git://). -leif > On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 12:15:05 AM UTC+2, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > > I am finding myself unable to fetch the positively reviewed ticket > TRAC#21135 : > >

[sage-devel] Re: Problem retrieving a (positively reviewed) ticket

2016-08-21 Thread leif
at all. So presumably rather some misconfiguration of git-daemon caused by an update... -leif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sag

[sage-devel] Re: Problem retrieving a (positively reviewed) ticket

2016-08-21 Thread leif
Dima Pasechnik wrote: > in syslog on trac I see something I cannot make sense of: here is a > connection from Ghent (Jeroen't machine, according to IP), although > there are more from other places: > > ug 21 07:39:25 trac git-daemon[27274]: Connection from > 157.193.230.60:46723Aug 21 07:39:25

[sage-devel] Re: Problem retrieving a (positively reviewed) ticket

2016-08-20 Thread leif
Paul Masson wrote: > Getting the same error for https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/21299 Works for me as well (with plain git). Did you perhaps try while Dima was rebooting trac? (I think git.sagemath.org is the same machine, although I'm not sure.) -leif -- You received this mess

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-20 Thread leif
Flori wrote: > On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 7:05:27 PM UTC+2, leif wrote: > > Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > > While trying my hand > <https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/20523 > <https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/2052

[sage-devel] Re: Problem retrieving a (positively reviewed) ticket

2016-08-20 Thread leif
B, done. remote: Total 2088 (delta 1770), reused 1219 (delta 943) Resolving deltas: 100% (1770/1770), completed with 409 local objects. >From trac.sagemath.org:sage * branchpublic/21135 -> FETCH_HEAD OK And you can see the remote ref is there: https://git.sagemath.org/sage.git/

[sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

2016-08-20 Thread leif
e to say something regarding support as a standard package. (I don't think it would make sense to upgrade Sage's R version *and* keep it a standard package if it does no longer build on Cygwin. We could presumably still keep Rpy and let it use the system version of R, also on Windoze, if pres

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