[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-26 Thread Stan Schymanski
This is the amazing thing about Sage and an attribute of good software: you don't need to understand every detail in order to use it productively. And it motivates you to learn more and explore unknown fields such as mathematics. :) I just spoke to a Geography professor who said that it would be

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-25 Thread rjf
I think that you probably miss the point. Most engineers are not trained in number theory, group theory, advanced algebra, etc. Leaving these parts out of Sage would potentially make it easier to use. But then maybe the engineer should use Maxima, or one of those other systems that either

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-25 Thread Maurizio
I don't get it... how should this make SAGE easier? From my point of view, I don't even remember anymore (my bad I know) what a ring represent, but this is not slowing down my SAGE learning, I think. But what if tomorrow or the day after, I do need those? I'm sorry, I just don't get the point

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-25 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it... how should this make SAGE easier? From my point of view, I don't even remember anymore (my bad I know) what a ring represent, but this is not slowing down my SAGE learning, I think. But what if

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it... how should this make SAGE easier? From my point of view, I don't even remember anymore (my bad I know) what a ring represent, but this is not slowing down my SAGE learning, I think. But what if

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-25 Thread Jason Grout
Minh Nguyen wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it... how should this make SAGE easier? From my point of view, I don't even remember anymore (my bad I know) what a ring represent, but this is not slowing down my SAGE learning, I

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Jason, On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Minh Nguyen wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it... how should this make SAGE easier? From my point of view, I don't even remember

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-24 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Hazem hazem.biqa...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP As regards Scilab and Sage, I think that Ronan Paixão has worked on a Sage-Scilab interface. From my reading of the Scilab license, I think it can be legally problematic to include Scilab in Sage, but I'm not a

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-24 Thread Jaap Spies
Minh Nguyen wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Hazem hazem.biqa...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP As regards Scilab and Sage, I think that Ronan Paixão has worked on a Sage-Scilab interface. From my reading of the Scilab license, I think it can be legally problematic to include Scilab in

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-24 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: SNIP On a note related to the Scilab --- Sage interface, there's an experimental spkg up on trac. See ticket #4821 at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4821 But the Scilab version for the spkg is a bit outdated.

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-24 Thread Jaap Spies
Minh Nguyen wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: SNIP On a note related to the Scilab --- Sage interface, there's an experimental spkg up on trac. See ticket #4821 at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4821 But the Scilab version for the

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-24 Thread Hazem
You all make good points. Certainly more documentation for applied stuff is called for, and I really like the idea of a configuration command to avert having to maintain a separate version. Didn't even think of that! As regards size, I do think that it would be an important factor. I am much

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 22, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Hazem wrote: Thank you all for your feedback. I agree that maintaining anoher version of Sage is probably spreading current resources too thin. I was asking to see if this was indeed the case. On the other hand, an engineering and physics oriented Sage could

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Maurizio
I'm not really familiar with Reduce, and am not a CAS developer. I am a kind of interested observer and I try to be helpful by collecting info about existing CAS systems and ideas and submitting links to the experts - you guys. Since I am alot more familiar with

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Maurizio, On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Honestly, I'm not aware of REDUCE capabilities, but I totally share Hazem's point of view. Just having a look at that article, I can see some interest for us to share (for example) the

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Tim Lahey
On Mar 22, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: I don't think that maintaining another version of Sage is the way to go at the moment, since many developers have enough on their hands and little time to implement them. What I think is appropriate is to write a Sage interface to your

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Hazem
Thank you all for your feedback. I agree that maintaining anoher version of Sage is probably spreading current resources too thin. I was asking to see if this was indeed the case. On the other hand, an engineering and physics oriented Sage could help boost Sage and bring in more resources from

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Hazem
Forgot to add that we would need to include some kind of spreadsheet- like capability, which is quite useful and convenient when one wants to create/edit matrices and arrays. Hazem On Mar 22, 11:23 pm, Hazem hazem.biqa...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for your feedback. I agree that

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Hazem, On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Hazem hazem.biqa...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to add that we would need to include some kind of spreadsheet- like capability, which is quite useful and convenient when one wants to create/edit matrices and arrays. Yes, there has been discussion about

[sage-devel] Re: REDUCE now available under BSD-like license

2009-03-22 Thread Hazem
On Mar 22, 11:48 pm, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hazem, On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Hazem hazem.biqa...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to add that we would need to include some kind of spreadsheet- like capability, which is quite useful and convenient when one wants to