Right, we started with boost-python to have a language to play with. There was
no standalone cython in the first and c++ had not been so well supported by
cython then. So, boost was the rapid way to get a small OSS with few
dependencies. However, the "middle-end" ;-) is flexible, so the bindings
On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 17:21:21 R. Andrew Ohana wrote:
> I think the main reason why Sage has its own Cython bindings is mainly
> historical -- they existed before polybori added their own python bindings.
> It would probably be a better idea to use polybori's own bindings in Sage
> -- it makes no s
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:21 AM, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel <
sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Saturday 13 Jun 2015 10:41:15 Francois Bissey wrote:
> > I think Andrew has already done quite a bit of the porting to autotools
> and
> > some python 3 fixes. But neither he or
@Andrew Sorry, your Cudd sources are fine, I misunderstood some commit message.
About naming: I personally would prefer BRiAl, it was on my shortlist for
naming the new project 9 years ago. You are free to use it.
@Martin: Thank you for your emergency call at your Blog! Its nice to see that
peop
Your plan does look good to me Martin.
Just note it won&t be trivial.
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Hi all,
On Saturday 13 Jun 2015 10:41:15 Francois Bissey wrote:
> I think Andrew has already done quite a bit of the porting to autotools and
> some python 3 fixes. But neither he or I want to be a maintainer - at least
> for the long term.
ah, sorry that I missed that. Great! How about this:
1.
I am pretty much with Martin here (although i guess he uses polybory far
more often than i do). I don't know much about autotools, but i can try to
give a small hand on that and the python3 part. I hope with the arrival of
July i will have some spare time for that.
I am also considering attend
> On 13/06/2015, at 22:30, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel
> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 13 Jun 2015 10:08:32 Francois Bissey wrote:
>>> On 13/06/2015, at 22:00, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On Friday 12 Jun 2015 13:45:05 R. Andrew Ohana wrote:
What ab
On Saturday 13 Jun 2015 10:08:32 Francois Bissey wrote:
> > On 13/06/2015, at 22:00, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > On Friday 12 Jun 2015 13:45:05 R. Andrew Ohana wrote:
> >> What about this:
> >>
> >> Now: We work on making polybori an optional package in s
Hi all,
FYI, I put this out. Let's see if there *are* other users besides me:
https://martinralbrecht.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/polybori-is-dead-it-needs-your-help/
Cheers,
Martin
On Saturday 13 Jun 2015 11:00:16 Martin Albrecht wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Friday 12 Jun 2015 13:45:05 R. Andrew Ohan
> On 13/06/2015, at 22:00, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> On Friday 12 Jun 2015 13:45:05 R. Andrew Ohana wrote:
>> What about this:
>>
>> Now: We work on making polybori an optional package in sage.
>> * At least going by this thread, the number of people who use p
Hi all,
On Friday 12 Jun 2015 13:45:05 R. Andrew Ohana wrote:
> What about this:
>
> Now: We work on making polybori an optional package in sage.
> * At least going by this thread, the number of people who use polybori in
> Sage is small enough for it to make sense to have polybori as an option
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:34 AM, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel <
sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> so, the Singular team *wants* to keep PolyBoRi alive, but it's currently
> not
> clear if and when they *can* devote resources to it. This will be clarified
> over the next few months
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Alexander Dreyer <
jan.alexander.dre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From my point of view a fork - or better call it sequel - would be the
> best.
>
> Unfortunately, all original developers like me went to industrial
> positions, which are completely unrelated to PolyBoRi
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Francesco Biscani
> > wrote:
> > On 11 June 2015 at 20:13, Travis Scrimshaw > wrote:
> >>
> >>Difficult-to-dechiper can be considered a pro by bigger businesses
> with
> >> proprietry
On 2015-06-12 14:34, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel wrote:
Hi,
so, the Singular team *wants* to keep PolyBoRi alive, but it's currently not
clear if and when they *can* devote resources to it. This will be clarified
over the next few months it seems.
Doesn't OpenDreamKit help with this?
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Hi,
so, the Singular team *wants* to keep PolyBoRi alive, but it's currently not
clear if and when they *can* devote resources to it. This will be clarified
over the next few months it seems.
Cheers,
Martin
On Friday 12 Jun 2015 10:14:53 Martin Albrecht wrote:
> I started talking to some peopl
On Friday, June 12, 2015, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel <
sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I started talking to some people from the symbolic computation community to
> discuss options (e.g. if someone wants to take over maintenance). Hence,
> don't
> rush to a conclusion please, I'd reall
I started talking to some people from the symbolic computation community to
discuss options (e.g. if someone wants to take over maintenance). Hence, don't
rush to a conclusion please, I'd really like to keep PolyBoRi around somehow
but don't want to be (sole) maintainer.
Cheers,
Martin
On Thur
On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Ralf Stephan wrote:
> So folks, be careful when you fork---you might end up as maintainer.
>
>
Good point. I think we should either
1. Remove polybori or
2. Have a specific person (or persons) step up to be maintainer.
I'm fine with either option.
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So folks, be careful when you fork---you might end up as maintainer.
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PS: Perhaps I should admit that PolyBoRi is dead. It's a hard year: Spock,
Winnetou, Dracula - and now PolyBoRi - died.
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>From my point of view a fork - or better call it sequel - would be the best.
Unfortunately, all original developers like me went to industrial positions,
which are completely unrelated to PolyBoRi or any kind of algebraic software.
Meanwhile, family and the new jobs don't leave us time to work
Wow, is that some top-shelf navel lint. Perhaps we should call the
language WolframWolframWolfram, or WWW for short. Then, Stephen and
Al Gore can fight over who invented what.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave
Ltd) wrote:
>
> On 11 Jun 2015 20:10, "William Ste
On 11 Jun 2015 20:10, "William Stein" wrote:
>
> It's officially called "The Wolfram Language" [1] beating out [2] many
It would never surprise me is it was renamed to the Stephen Wolfram
Language.
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Bravo, that was pretty good :)
On 11 June 2015 at 21:10, William Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Francesco Biscani
> wrote:
> > On 11 June 2015 at 20:13, Travis Scrimshaw wrote:
> >>
> >>Difficult-to-dechiper can be considered a pro by bigger businesses
> with
> >> proprie
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Francesco Biscani
wrote:
> On 11 June 2015 at 20:13, Travis Scrimshaw wrote:
>>
>>Difficult-to-dechiper can be considered a pro by bigger businesses with
>> proprietry software to help prevent reverse-engineering (although from what
>> I've been told, they ty
On 06/11/2015 02:55 PM, Francesco Biscani wrote:
>
> Not sure what you mean by that. I have worked in the past for a
> multinational company (>100k employees) on software which costs hundreds
> of thousands of dollars per license, and never heard of that. I am not
> an assembly guy but I would thi
On 11 June 2015 at 20:13, Travis Scrimshaw wrote:
>Difficult-to-dechiper can be considered a pro by bigger businesses with
> proprietry software to help prevent reverse-engineering (although from what
> I've been told, they typically run it through a scrambler before compiling
> the code for
I agree partially about your "best programming language" statement: there
are languages which are useful for very few things - see Fortran - while
others have broader applicability. With C++ one can do well and comfortably
enough scientific computing, system programming, graphics, and a host of
oth
Difficult-to-dechiper can be considered a pro by bigger businesses with
proprietry software to help prevent reverse-engineering (although from what
I've been told, they typically run it through a scrambler before compiling
the code for release). However, from my experience, it is the quality
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 11:12:53 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>
> Even if you know C++ well, it is a much more difficult language than
> Python. Or at least it is not hard to write modern C++ that is very
> difficult for others to work on.
>
To be fair, I recall people complaining that "pr
(off topic)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Francesco Biscani wrote:
>> Or at least it is not hard to write modern C++ that is very difficult for
>> others to work on.
>
>
> Isn't it true for most languages?
In my opinion, absolutely unequivocally not.Each programming
languages has a huge
>
> Or at least it is not hard to write modern C++ that is very difficult for
> others to work on.
>
Isn't it true for most languages? I have seen nested list comprehension
one-liners in Python that make my skin crawl.
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I use it. Not as much as I used to (my research moved on) but it would be
rather if it was gone. I also know that some people in my field use it, i.e.
the BooleanPolynomialRing. If that was gone, we'd go from okay-ish to hell-ish
for computing with an object which quite naturally arises
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Ralf Stephan wrote:
> There is not much difference between 1 and 2 because, while there is no
> review mechanism for Pynac admin commits on github, it's on trac instead.
> And the real problem is always the language barrier: adding C++ to an
> already huge skillset is
There is not much difference between 1 and 2 because, while there is no review
mechanism for Pynac admin commits on github, it's on trac instead. And the real
problem is always the language barrier: adding C++ to an already huge skillset
is too much for many authors and most reviewers, regardles
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, François Bissey <
francois.bis...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> On 06/11/15 14:39, William Stein wrote:
>
>> I could easily imagine Andrew and Francois and Jereon are all
>> dutifully imagining that I know all kinds of Polybori enthusiasts and
>> there are good reasons th
On 06/11/15 14:39, William Stein wrote:
I could easily imagine Andrew and Francois and Jereon are all
dutifully imagining that I know all kinds of Polybori enthusiasts and
there are good reasons that Polybori really must be really well
supported in Sage. However, it turns out this at least isn't
Hi,
Can somebody (say at least 3-5 people) who actually *use* polybori on
a somewhat regular basis make some supporting remarks?I personally
have used polybori for anything, nor do I really know of anybody else
who has. If there aren't at least a few people who use it regularly,
then we shou
I thought I was going to misrepresent stuff, but may be not to that extent.
If we fork polybori I do not see the point of patching it for sage on top
of the fork. (3) is very much out as far as I am concerned.
François
> On 11/06/2015, at 14:08, R. Andrew Ohana wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10,
I have absolutely nothing invested in this, but I am curious about whether
bringing (as much as possible of) polybori into the Sage library or
extcode-successor or something would help people revivify the project? I
don't know how many people there are out there who would be potentially
intere
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:40 PM, François Bissey <
francois.bis...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> over at http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/18437 we have
> some heated debate about what to do about polybori.
>
> Let me summarize the situation.
> * at this moment polybori is dead upstream
> *
Hi all,
over at http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/18437 we have
some heated debate about what to do about polybori.
Let me summarize the situation.
* at this moment polybori is dead upstream
* polybori is the last package using scons
* is one of the last packages, if not the last, not
ready for py
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