Re: ShopTalk: Mach 22 Blowout

2003-03-11 Thread skismith
John, (and anyone else who has used these), what's been your feedback on these shafts? I'm thinking of replacing my old Diawa Hi Trac irons (r flex TR shaft) with Tom Wishon's 951XA's and a good iron shaft. I have a 5i swing speed of  70+ mph, 1 wood at 44" 90 to 94 mph. Kinda smooth tempo. Hit m

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight

2003-03-11 Thread DADUGALLY
In a message dated 3/11/2003 3:43:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess my next question is obvious, should I move the weight to the top of the club or the back and would either one return the loft to the club head?  This is a T-360 head with a 10.5° loft.  I am playing th

RE: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread Royce Engler
SorryI didn't tell the whole story.  I use these clubs when a customer comes in wanting to get his loft and lie adjusted.  I do a dynamic lie test on his current clubs, then use these to see if the dummy marks change with different known lie angles.  If the regular clubs indicate adjustme

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Macbyrd
Apparently not if I don't know about a 652. :-) Rich "Mac" McHattie Mac's Golf

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight on The T-360

2003-03-11 Thread Burgess Howell
Shot down like the dog he is. Now... Kick, Jen, kick! At 08:53 PM 3/11/03, you wrote: Gee Tom, was wondering if I'd lost my touch or something, ya haven't hit on me in a few months now! ; ) btw... "Jenny" will get you nowhere fast, even faster than where you're going now! : ) tflan wrote:

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight on The T-360

2003-03-11 Thread Jen Kuntz
Gee Tom, was wondering if I'd lost my touch or something, ya haven't hit on me in a few months now! ; ) btw... "Jenny" will get you nowhere fast, even faster than where you're going now! : ) tflan wrote: BTW: Speaking of Wiznowicz, has anyone heard from the "creature," the Pri . . .k? (sor

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight on The T-360

2003-03-11 Thread tflan
Uh, hold on a sec pardner; a little clarification please. Are you saying that your son-in-law hits the driver 350 yards?! Really? Has he entered the Long Drive tour? If so, could you repeat for us the exact brand name and model of the head, the length, SW, shaft, headweight, overall weight, grip,

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight on The T-360

2003-03-11 Thread Tom and Donna Mason
Is his name Jason Zuback? Nope!    

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight on The T-360

2003-03-11 Thread Fjbold1
In a message dated 3/11/2003 9:03:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my son-in-law hits the average par 4, 350 yard green, with the club. Is his name Jason Zuback?

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight on The T-360

2003-03-11 Thread Tom and Donna Mason
Everyone's comment were greatly appreciated and included in my thoughts as I played around with the lead tape. I though all of you would be interested in what I discovered on the course this afternoon. First I did remove the additional four strips of tape, it really screwed up everything. Back t

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Volcgolf
Rich  You might not be me but you are the fuji man :)    Charlie

Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread Volcgolf
Tflan   AMEN.   Charlie

Re: ShopTalk: Counter balance weights

2003-03-11 Thread Volcgolf
John     My tour pro asked me to look into this from the PGA show but haven't had the time but will do in June when he gets here. Nicklaus used to do this years ago but don't know if he still does, 285 yd. average last week at Doral, not bad for a 63 year old who is not tournament tough yet. I am

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Volcgolf
John   I haven't used any of the newer speeders yet but plan on bringing them in by mid June for testing, that is when my robot should be home for a while as he is out there trying to make it to next level. I know that the shaft mfg. are trying to get the launch angle higher with less spin, a goo

Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread Volcgolf
Royce   When a client consistently hits of the toe no matter what the lie angle is usually because they set up with their weight back on their heels. When this happens I bring in my teaching to address the problem before going any further and after a brief time it usually rectifies the problem. I

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread jhm
Title: Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts 652 is the new one, I believe it's replacing the 661. I haven't hit it yet because I'll have to sell a bunch of drivers to be able to buy one for myself. :-( John In a message dated 3/11/2003 9:18:06 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Al Taylor
Yeah yeah yeah, as opposed to the negative compliments you give me, huh? ;-) Al At 05:20 PM 3/11/2003, you wrote: Boy oh boy Al - if they ever really knew the whole truth - tramp would then be a positive compliment. Inkind, MyKey PS I luv ya man.

Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread jgk
Tflan... great post (I learn again) tflan wrote: Speaking of dynamic lie testing, I just finished a session about an hour ago. The shafts were all weight sorted, spine aligned, "flo'd" and set to the lengths the customer needed. Using the "standard" 60° 5 iron lie angle as a starting point, I

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Macbyrd
In a message dated 3/11/2003 9:18:06 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you had any experience with the new Speeder 652? Question? Is that Speeder 661 or Speeder 569? Those are the only one's along with the 757 that are commonly available in the US. Don't have my Japanese

Re: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread Richard Kennedy
Tom, I too hand hold a callaway and use my drill motor.   With a Callaway metal wood head that is the only way you can get the job done.    On any head where there is not enough hosel to get a hold of I always hand hold.   Tell you what Tom 150 RPM spining right next to your hand sure looks l

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread MYKEYGOLF
Boy oh boy Al - if they ever really knew the whole truth - tramp would then be a positive compliment. Inkind, MyKey PS I luv ya man.

Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread tflan
Speaking of dynamic lie testing, I just finished a session about an hour ago. The shafts were all weight sorted, spine aligned, "flo'd" and set to the lengths the customer needed. Using the "standard" 60° 5 iron lie angle as a starting point, I had the guy hit shots from a half sheet (4'x4')

RE: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread Al Taylor
Why? Al At 11:19 AM 3/11/2003, you wrote: Isn't better to leave a clubhead as it was designed, even if it is a bit more time-consuming to duplicate (in this case) the OEM's shaft installation technique? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tflan S

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Al Taylor
I can only dream of the good ol days of being in the 50's. ;-(( I was such a tramp.  ;-) Al At 01:31 PM 3/11/2003, you wrote: Charlie: Have you had any experience with the new Speeder 652? I built a driver for a guy and thought it would be perfect for him but he says he hits the ball way too

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight help

2003-03-11 Thread Jen Kuntz
Thanks for the tip... unfortunately I don't have a freq. meter but a clubmaker I know does and when I get to build the whole set I am going to get his help in doing all of that kind of prep work up front for me so I can just assemble - we'll do all the measurements and put the shafts in the ap

ShopTalk: Counter balance weights

2003-03-11 Thread jhm
Sort of on the swingweight discussion...has anyone experimented with the Balance Certified counter weights? http://balance-certified.com I know they were at the PCS show and wonder what your thoughts are on these. I have a sample Nippon Steel Putter shaft with a similar weighting system and it

Re: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread tflan
Hah ;-) Who's afraid of the big bad RK? Not me. Not as long as in in CA and he ain't ;-) Seriously though, reaming out the tiny bit at the bottom of a Callaway can be done a lot more quickly by sticking it in a vise and using an electric drill motor/reamer. Hell, if you think that's bad, get this

RE: ShopTalk: Mach 22 Blowout

2003-03-11 Thread jhm
Sure! John John, Is that for any combination of 10? Dan Neubecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ShopTalk: Mach 22 Blowout Men & Jen: Precision Composites

ShopTalk: Shop for sale

2003-03-11 Thread Barrette Bob
Must sell small shop in No. Ca.  (Doctors orders)   Had heart attack 6 weeks ago. Only shop in town, in business since 1982.  Priced to sell, and terms available. Private EMail only [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight

2003-03-11 Thread tflan
Title: Message Good post!   TFlan   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:05 AM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: swingweight It's not the weight of the shaft you removed that makes the difference in swingweigh

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight help

2003-03-11 Thread Ed Reeder
Jen, Regarding tips for next time: Leave an extra inch on the butt end of the club to give room to make weight adjustments to the head until the target SW is exactly where needed. After you have reached your target cpms (assuming you have a freq. meter). Prior to assembly you can double check your

RE: ShopTalk: Mach 22 Blowout

2003-03-11 Thread Dan Neubecker
John, Is that for any combination of 10? Dan Neubecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ShopTalk: Mach 22 Blowout > > > Men & Jen: > > Precision Compo

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight

2003-03-11 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 05:40 AM 3/11/03 -0600, Tom and Donna Mason wrote: About 0.5 gr's per inch. David Thanks David, that confirms a suggestion that was made that it would take 24 inches of lead tape to equal the two inches of shaft that I removed. Actually, I think it says double that. The calculations are:

Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Joyce
Royce, What do you usually recommend to the customer at this point, mostly feel? Alan - Original Message - From: Royce Engler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting I have a set of three

Re: Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread kellcats
Rich, I've been playing a GD purple ice in my driver for ~6mo. I was using the 757 in every driver I played before I put this GD in. The guys in the TM tour van insisted that I play the Purple Ice in their driver, so I agreed with the stipulation that they provide me a second, identical driver

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread jhm
Title: Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts Charlie: Have you had any experience with the new Speeder 652? I built a driver for a guy and thought it would be perfect for him but he says he hits the ball way too high with it. I know it was supposed to give a bit higher ball flight but this gu

RE: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread Fjbold1
In a message dated 3/11/2003 11:19:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, "jb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Isn't better to leave a clubhead as it was designed, even if it is a bit >more time-consuming to duplicate (in this case) the OEM's shaft installation >technique? > If the design that you were changi

Re: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread tflan
Maybe . . . maybe not. Reaming out the very small diameter at the bottom of the hosel is hardly a sea change. Reaming out a taper tip hosel to parallel is. I always - 100% of the time, told my customers what could, should, and should not be done as regards modifying a clubhead. I ain't arguing, jus

RE: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread Al Taylor
Why? Al At 11:19 AM 3/11/2003, you wrote: Isn't better to leave a clubhead as it was designed, even if it is a bit more time-consuming to duplicate (in this case) the OEM's shaft installation technique? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tflan S

ShopTalk: Mach 22 Blowout

2003-03-11 Thread jhm
Men & Jen: Precision Composites has offered up a deal to Shoptalkers (those guys that talk about spines a lot are welcome, too) on their excellent Mach 22 iron and wood shafts. Regular price is $14.50, order ten or more at $7.00 each, orders less than ten shafts at $10.00 each. Clear color onl

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Macbyrd
In a message dated 3/11/2003 2:01:07 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These 3 different customers, who apparently have more $ than brains, weren't even interested in comparing them.  They all said just buy the 757  Go Figure. See! What'd I say? Feel wise at this stage of

RE: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting

2003-03-11 Thread Royce Engler
I have a set of three Golfsmith fitting irons made up with a nominal R flex shaft, and set at lie angles of 57*, 60*, and 63*.  I used them to see if the customer has a consistent enough swing to move the impact points as the lie angle changes.  I've had customers who hit on the toe on all t

RE: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread jb
Isn't better to leave a clubhead as it was designed, even if it is a bit more time-consuming to duplicate (in this case) the OEM's shaft installation technique? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tflan Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:17 PM To: [EM

Re: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Volcgolf
Rich   I obviously have the same type of customers as Pat and yourself. Dave introduced me to the Sk fiber line and the tour trac 100 gave me the same numbers as the vista pro 90 S and X in fairway woods on the distance caddy for ball velocity and carry. I like the way Fujikura protects its deale

RE: ShopTalk: swingweight

2003-03-11 Thread timhewitt
Title: Message It's not the weight of the shaft you removed that makes the difference in swingweight, it's the fact that you have pulled the head back closer to the 14 inch fulcrum that lowers the "weight" in the shaft. Remember that swingweight is not weight - it's the relationship between

Re: ShopTalk: Callaway x-14 reshaft

2003-03-11 Thread Carl McKinley
Tflan, Say it aint so. In a vise, free hand no less. Wait to RK reads about that. I can see another lecture coming;-) Carl --- tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They actually do have a little hosel and you > can clamp them in a shaft > drillpress vise. Mostly I just clamp them > between two rub

RE: ShopTalk: "Spineless" graphite shafts

2003-03-11 Thread Pat & Laura Kelley
Rich, I've observed the same equality in specs between about 1 in 10 GD ys-8.1s and the 757 Speeder. I advised several players who are into the 'exotic' shafts that I could easily sort a ys-8.1 out that would be impossible to differentiate from a 757 both by man and machine. These 3 different cus

Re: ShopTalk: swingweight

2003-03-11 Thread Tom and Donna Mason
  About 0.5 gr's per inch. David Thanks David, that confirms a suggestion that was made that it would take 24 inches of lead tape to equal the two inches of shaft that I removed.  I don't question the amount but 24 inches of lead tape sure seems to be a lot heavier than two inches of shaft.  I h