Hey TFlan,
Nipple rings BABY!!! I was stylin'!
... YEAH!
;-)
Cub
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Hey Cubster;
Whe
In a message dated 3/5/2003 3:34:38 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When you spanked everyone's butt were you wearing your leather outfit? The one with the mask and the studded vest? Were they handcuffed or did you use ropes?
TFlan,
If Cub loved Koolau then he must have bee
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BTW: Finally got around to playing
Koolau. I actually loved it. Spanked everyone else's butt. They hated
it!! My lost ball count = 6. The closest to me out of our
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In a message dated
3/4/2003 4:13:21 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 3/4/2003 4:13:21 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not exactly the same topic but close. have you noticed that Jones lifted his right heel off the ground in his backswing. Dang near comes up on his toe. I watched him on the golf channel one day and couldn
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It's sad when you respond to your own post, but it occurred to me that if
you can do the 90-degree shoulder thing so that there is minimal twist in
your wrists at the top of your backswing, by delaying your release (leaving
the club cocked wel
Purely a technical comment. Your wrists do not rotate. Your forearms
do. No biggie in this conversation though.
Al
At 11:14 PM 3/4/2003, you wrote:
It's sad when you respond to your own post, but it occurred to me that if
you can do the 90-degree shoulder thing so that there is minimal twist
Allan,
Is it like talking to yourself???
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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:15 PM
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It's sad when you respond to your own
It's sad when you respond to your own post, but it occurred to me that if
you can do the 90-degree shoulder thing so that there is minimal twist in
your wrists at the top of your backswing, by delaying your release (leaving
the club cocked well into the down swing) your wrists are forced to lag
: Harrison Spineless Technology; Another take
Greg,
> On placement my intuition tells me that if the clubhead is releasing from
> being loaded coming into impact I would want that clubhead to exhibit the
> same self centering effect that a shaft exhibits when tension is placed on
Let's see. We agree that the club face is parallel to the swing plane at
the start of the downswing and perpendicular to the swing plane at the
start of the back swing and at impact. There strike me as two extremes in
the ways you can do this. First is to not rotate your shoulders and simply
Mac,
Not
exactly the same topic but close. have you noticed that Jones lifted his
right heel off the ground in his backswing. Dang near comes up on his toe. I
watched him on the golf channel one day and couldn't get the picture out of my
mind. Screwed me up even more t
loading instead of unloading, this might make
sense.
Pat K
>
> From: "Bernie Baymiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/04 Tue PM 05:05:33 EST
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology; Another take
>
Greg,
> On placement my intuition tells me that if the clubhead is releasing from
> being loaded coming into impact I would want that clubhead to exhibit the
> same self centering effect that a shaft exhibits when tension is placed on
> it in a spinefinder. I guess that's spine at 9. Or is it??
At 03:48 PM 3/4/03 -0500, Bernie Baymiller wrote:
> The pictures where the wrists are cocked show the back of the left hand to
> the camera. Between 009 and 010, the hands turn so the edge of the left
> hand is to the camera. That's a 90* roll in the last fraction of the
> downswing before impact.
ds in.
Clear as mud
Pat K
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/04 Tue PM 01:29:04 EST
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology
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> Dave,
> We're in the same camp on this issue - I've attempted to explai
Dave,
> The pictures where the wrists are cocked show the back of the left hand to
> the camera. Between 009 and 010, the hands turn so the edge of the left
> hand is to the camera. That's a 90* roll in the last fraction of the
> downswing before impact. Which is EXACTLY what I was talking about.
At 11:48 AM 3/4/03 -0500, Bernie Baymiller wrote:
> That's because the hands roll, so the club rotates 90* around the shaft
> axis during the downswing. But most of the bending (until centrifugal
force
> -- tip droop -- takes over near impact) will remain in the target plane.
If you look at the Bob
Bernie,
Remember back about 5 or 6 years ago when we had a fellow that was a
department head at a college and was an expert on physiology? He explained
quite precisely how the release took place and that it was the rotation of
the forearms. I think Dave T's explanation is as good as it gets fo
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/04 Tue PM 01:29:04 EST
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology
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> Dave,
> We're in the same camp on this issue - I've attempted to explain this here to some
> ex
to think not. Also, if it does, then the best solution is a better
shaft, not alignment.
Pat K.
>
> From: Dave Tutelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/04 Tue AM 10:47:33 EST
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology
>
> At 08:59
In a message dated 3/4/2003 6:48:52 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you look at the Bobby Jones single strobe pics, you'll notice there seems
to be almost no hand rotation of the shaft before impact. His hand position
on the shaft is almost identical at address, at the top
In a message dated 3/4/2003 5:48:38 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* There have been no convincing controlled experiments to support the
ideal alignment, if there is one. There is ample anecdotal evidence to
convince me that alignment can make a difference, but nowhere nea
"Not enough interest has been applied to the most interesting (IMHO)
question: at what size does spine begin to matter."
Dave makes an excellent point here. All of my experimenting with customers
has been with shafts that have a predominant spine so that I know the
customers can feel a differen
Dave,
> That's because the hands roll, so the club rotates 90* around the shaft
> axis during the downswing. But most of the bending (until centrifugal
force
> -- tip droop -- takes over near impact) will remain in the target plane.
If you look at the Bobby Jones single strobe pics, you'll notice
At 08:59 AM 3/4/03 -0600, Donald Johnson wrote:
Pat:
I respectfully disagree with that. If what you are saying is
true than the oscillation pattern would be the same no matter what plane
the shaft is twanged in. I know that is not true. I have also plotted the
path an unloaded shaft
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Alan:
Indeed, Pat Kelly’s comment regarding the direction of shaft loading is
correct and your “Fun Experiment” supports that. However, neither
addresses the potential for the random location of a predominant spine
I've had a few rifles like that as well. The problem is that there are a
lot more of them on the flip side that have an absolutely huge spine at or
over 10 cpm.
Scott
At 08:35 AM 3/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Corey,
> There's no such thing as a spineless steel shaft and probably won't be
in our
Corey,
> Theres no such thing as a spineless steel shaft and probably
won't be in our lifetime.Interesting that you should mention that. I
have a 5.0 Rifle iron shaft that I've been saving because it is as perfect a
steel iron shaft as I've seen...only .002" deflection around the circumfer
Dispite what you've shown the shaft does when it oscillates, the whole
deal is irrelevent. If you consider Alan's experiment, the club has hit
the ball at the 1/4 cycle mark, where it returned on the EXACT plane that
it was loaded in, regardless of spine position. What happens after that
1
Alan:
Indeed, Pat Kellys comment regarding the direction of shaft loading is
correct and your Fun Experiment supports that. However, neither
addresses the potential for the random location of a predominant spine to
affect the unloading of the shaft during the downswing. In fact your fun
experi
Pat
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At 04:03 PM 3/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
>. . . Now, when the shaft is unloaded, it
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Pat:
Guess what I have talked to several tech (Professional Club
fitters) on the tour mostly senior and Buy.com (or what ever it's called
now) and I get a different answer. I also assume these folks are as
qualified as t
, 2003 3:03 PM
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Bernie,
First, I've done a reasonable amout of alignment testing myself, but
I've
spent many hours discussing the concept of alignment with folks who
spend
days with this - techs who work for 2 of the
At 04:03 PM 3/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
. . . Now, when the shaft is unloaded, it moves in the DEFLECTED
direction that it was loaded in, not exactly on the swing plane line. If
this coincidentally works, great, but it IS COINCIDENCE, not science.
Here is a fun experiment that demonstrates this effec
lex
is a "false N" or not. But then, I fit for 99% of the players and not for
the 1% of pros. Frankly, I don't give a damn what the pros are
playing...except knowing that if they are playing it, it's too costly, too
stiff and probably to short for me and over 100 of my customers
tend to align S1 (I've been
educated/convinced that S1 in steel is bend, not spine) at 6, FWIW.
Pat K
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At 12:53 PM 3/2/03 -0500, Pat & Laura Kelley wrote:
Dave,
I agree with everything you've posted - but there is an 'issue' that's
unresolved here.
Personally, I found it very insulting for someone to ask for emperical data
showing the advantages of a minimally spined shaft when THERE IS NO DATA
SHOW
o fixes his advertising claims).
Bernie
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> Dave,
>
, 2003 12:03 PM
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Hi, Harry.
At 02:29 AM 3/2/03 -0500, Harry F. Schiestel wrote:
>Yes Dave you got the main point of my message (alignment of a predominant
>spine shaft could results in better perform
eed journals. Today's journal papers
tend to be from academia or from small companies wanting to make a splash.
I see the same trends in the golf industry.
Cheers!
DaveT
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Perhaps this rule will help you understand why an asymmetrical shaft is
against the rules of golf - from the USGA website:
"Appendix II, 2b requires that:
At any point along its length, the shaft shall:
bend in such a way that the deflection is the same regardless of how the
shaft is rotated a
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Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:24 AM
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Alan,
Outstanding post!!!
Thanks.
I think your comments about the SST "data" are well-founded. A
ess technology you said "spine orientation or
purring is really not necessary any more". Prove this by sharing the
data if you will.
Thanks Harry S
<http://www.Golf54.com>www.Golf54.com
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Hi Arnie,
I was quoting the engineer's perspective. I like the colorful
shafts too, even though I am an engineer my father was a photographer and
I come by my appreciation for color honestly.
Regards,
Alan
At 12:09 AM 2/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
In a message dated
2/27/03 11:43:20 PM Eastern Standa
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Then some artist in a corner that nobody but the marketing types likes because the engineers don't think they add anything to the design process (solid black is a great color for a shaft) decides what the shaf
irection incorrectly >
Thanks HFS
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Hi Harry,
As an eng
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Hi
Mike C
Sure
I can "do what I want to do", even if I choose to do what is wrong. That
is not my question or concern.
Mr.
Cheng, my question to you relates to statistical
data (old spine align
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Dear
Harry:
Alan
is on the mark. You can still do what you want to do with spining or
purring. However, you will find that the
A FWIW: A few years ago, Penley started to use a computer program
that specifically placed "spines" strategically around the
shaft so that they, in effect, all cancelled or minimized each other's
effect. They, basically admitted they couldn't get rid of them, in
the manufacturing process, so th
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AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: RE: ShopTalk:
Harrison Spineless Technology and free sampleHi
Harry,As an engineer I can assure you that man has yet to make
anything that was perfect (or in this case, spine-less). What Mike is
saying is th
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> Hi Harry,
>
> As an engineer I can assure you that man has yet to make anything that was
> perfect (or in this case, spine-less). What Mike is saying is that their
> shafts will not have a '
Hi Harry,
As an engineer I can assure you that man has yet to make anything that
was perfect (or in this case, spine-less). What Mike is saying is
that their shafts will not have a 'prominent spine'. What I
interpret this to mean is that the spines that exist will be of
sufficiently low magnitud
Hi Mr. Cheng
I
applaud your efforts to make the best shaft in the business. I carry your
shafts on my web site (so I am a paying
customer).
I
have used a lot of the Harrison UL Pro 2.5 to 4.5 woods in the past (and loved
them), and my customers embarrass the UL line.
To
make such a marked
Mike,
Thanks for the quick response and the information
for all on the new Premier Lite 85 shafts. I appreciate the explanation
for the problems I had with the Striper Titanium shafts and the steps that your
company is working on to correct this problem. Good luck in your endeavors
and i
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