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> The best place I think to be looking for opportunity is conceiving and
developing applications (either software or hybrid projects with plug and
play hardware) that are only possible with 50Mbps++ connection speeds. Bonus
points if it can be geographically contained within the AU network
(prefera
you miss the point - it's no longer just a copper telephone system. It's
> operating way beyond the original intent - carrying analog voice signals. We
> don't need a new "phone system" we need a new network designed at the start
> to be capable of carrying data - that data could be voice, internet
On 30/12/2010, at 11:07 PM, Warren Seen wrote:
> The best place I think to be looking for opportunity is conceiving and
> developing applications (either software or hybrid projects with plug and
> play hardware) that are only possible with 50Mbps++ connection speeds. Bonus
> points if it can
>
>
> So it *is* a replacement for the copper telephone system of the last 80+
> years.
you miss the point - it's no longer just a copper telephone system. It's
operating way beyond the original intent - carrying analog voice signals. We
don't need a new "phone system" we need a new network de
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:05 AM, James Purser wrote:
>
> You're actually trying to compare re-wiring your house to rewiring a
> national network? That's like saying "I sail in a dinghy so I know it can't
> be that expensive to build an air craft carrier".
>
Australia makes great boats and sells
Umm seriously?
You're actually trying to compare re-wiring your house to rewiring a
national network? That's like saying "I sail in a dinghy so I know it can't
be that expensive to build an air craft carrier".
It's not just a case of replacing the cables, you've got to upgrade the
termination poi
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Warren Seen wrote:
> You are right that NBN is replacing the existing copper "last mile"
> network, but that's no longer a "telephone system" so calling it an upgrade
> to that is not appropriate. Telstra's copper phone line business is losing
> money year on ye
David,
I'm not really sure where you're getting your information on the NBN, but you
seem to be missing a few facts. You are right that NBN is replacing the
existing copper "last mile" network, but that's no longer a "telephone system"
so calling it an upgrade to that is not appropriate. Tels
The problem is that we're not world leading with the NBN, we're world
catching up. While the idea of a National Fibre Network over such vast
distances is new and novel, the underlying technologies are not.
If we want to wring the dollars out of the NBN we have to do the work
ourselves. Whether its
Oh I'm very much *for* the technology..
In fact, if the NBN is simply a marketing term for replacing Australia's
copper telephone system with a fibre-optic one then I don't have any
objection.
If so it shouldn't be called a broadband network when it is really a
telephone
system upgrade
maybe
"Mere speculation..." why bother. Seriously.
On Dec 30, 4:26 pm, David Lyon
wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> Just a guestimate. Chances are project will run overbudget.
>
> So instead of costing $40B for the whole thing, it may end up costing $60B
>
> Divide Australia into its population centres and you
It is so sad to read a statement from someone so ignorant to the
benefits of a FTTH network now and well into the future.
2 minutes is all it should take anyone with access to Google to learn/
understand why there is simply no other technology with anywhere near
the capabilities of fiber optic.
S
LMAO... brilliant stuff!
On Dec 28, 4:12 pm, Pete Cooper wrote:
> Could not resist sharing this...
>
> After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, British scientists
> found traces of copper wire dating back 200 years and came to the
> conclusion that their ancestors had a telephone network
Given that the NBN will most likely be utilising already built infra
(Telstra pipes and conduits) you might find that the bigger spend per capita
is out in the regions (where the infra doesn't exist). Sydney and Melbourne
will no doubt be the most expensive to cable up (purely as a function of
popu
Hi James,
Just a guestimate. Chances are project will run overbudget.
So instead of costing $40B for the whole thing, it may end up costing $60B
Divide Australia into its population centres and you may have Sydney and
Melbourne costing $20B each with the rest of the country combined making up
th
Just out of curiosity but where did you find the "$20b to link the cable
across Sydney" figure?
James Purser
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:13 PM, David Lyon wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Interestingly, my grandfather did actually spend 10+ winters out in
> the cold in Australia up the Eastern coast in a te
Hi Dave,
Interestingly, my grandfather did actually spend 10+ winters out in
the cold in Australia up the Eastern coast in a tent wiring the telephone
network that we now have. It was hard work.. it was cold.. that's how
the country was built.
Back when he reitred, he popped in at the Janalli off
As with most infrastructure planning decisions, for the first 12
months the problem is deciding how to implement it. After that we have
the new problem of believing the first problem needs to be solved,
when in reality we're spending years not deciding.
We didn't spend years figuring out what perf
s Limited out from starting another Free to Air network (we could have
>>> had another 40 or so channels I recall, all digital, but they elected to go
>>> with a spectrum hogging HD format to crowd out alternatives, and enshrined a
>>> ban on "datacasting" to ensur
all of this. I'm now starting to watch more
>> stuff on ABC's iView, SBS catch up and 7Mate's website from here in
>> Australia than through the broadcast stream (and I record the broadcast
>> stream and already skip ads).
>> >
>> > Anyway, ju
and already skip ads).
> >
> > Anyway, just interesting that this hasn't gotten much airplay.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Griffith
Could not resist sharing this...
After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, British scientists
found traces of copper wire dating back 200 years and came to the
conclusion that their ancestors had a telephone network more than 150
years ago.
Not to be outdone by the Brits, in the weeks tha
ite from here in
> Australia than through the broadcast stream (and I record the broadcast
> stream and already skip ads).
> >
> > Anyway, just interesting that this hasn't gotten much airplay.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: silicon-bea
is hasn't gotten much airplay.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
> Griffiths
> Sent: Sunday, 26 December 2010 10:11 PM
> To: Silicon Beach Austr
:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, 26 December 2010 10:11 PM
To: Silicon Beach Australia
Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..
I'm a huge supporter of disruptive technologies, and conceptually
(like James) I see huge
I'm a huge supporter of disruptive technologies, and conceptually
(like James) I see huge advantages from a fibre backbone...
However, would I rather see a Maglev line down the East Coast for the
same money ? (good question - no real answer)
As for the NBN - the only thing fundamentally enabled b
James, liked your 2 cents :-)
To me, after having had countless debates on this issue with all manner of
people, I think the fundamental mistake is to try and turn this into a
business or even technological debate. For how many decades have the tech
community screamed out for better broadband? Whe
To be honest I think that paper starts on a flawed premise:
"A decade ago telcos wasted billions
of shareholders’ money on telecoms infrastructure that was well ahead of
its
time – governments are now in danger of doing the same with taxpayers’
money."
We've had this argument thrown up by Malcolm
Guys,
I'm sure we all love the principle of super fast broadband...
However, this is the most complete analysis I've seen on the economic
benefits (or lack thereof)
http://charleskenny.blogs.com/weblog/2010/11/superfast-is-it-really-worth-a-subsidy.html
M
On Dec 25, 5:11 am, Andrew Dever wrot
I'm glad this discussion has been brought up in this community.
At the time NBN was first mentioned the cost was quoted at ~$39B, and
google had ~$30B in cash.
The IIF & IIFF, that help VC's invest in the AU space is ~$192M over 4
years. And they have to match it dollar for dollar and work hard t
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