Thanks Elias for the facts and Brian for the words of wisdom.
They made a mistake but the backlash is way, way, way out of proportion.
As Brian said let's embrace the failure and maybe we can take away
something positive.
On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:09:31 PM UTC+10, Brian Lim wrote:
Just to add something a little different to to the post that may be useful
to Silicon Beachers.
The political correctness environment here in Silicon Valley is extremely
harsh and perfectly acceptable social behavior from other parts of the USA
or world can lead to repercussions. I was spoken
Can someone estimate the time spent by people reading items of this thread,
and formulating responses?
I am estimating at least a few thousand dollars worth of lost productivity.
Possibly more.
Sounds like there's a lot of bored entrepreneurs on this list!
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:57 AM,
there is a line somewhere and while simulating masturbation probably
crosses it
Am I the only one here who thinks that making the 'wank wank' motion is
common as shit and not really an issue?
http://sansmorality.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dismissivewank.gif?w=80h=61
+1 here for facts and data.
I find it really interesting as a experiment in human behavior on how
quickly people react and how much information is required before they
respond. Now I agree with Elias Bizannes here, they made the mistake, the
will have to live and learn from it. However as he
I wonder if this kind of long thread discussion would happen in other
startup ecosystems? Any chance we can move on? These messages are costing
me bandwidth! Thanks, Sam.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dylan Sale dylan.s...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry I missed your reply Geoff.
I'll
Thanks for that Brian, somehow I managed to completely overlook Elias'
post. It added a lot of the missing context and balance for me.
Sent from my Android phone
On 11/09/2013 9:09 PM, Brian Lim evilevis...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 here for facts and data.
I find it really interesting as a
I think it's super important that we don't mix issues about this, as it can
make our case weaker.
Lets' look beyond the sexism, juvenile behaviour of it all. I mean, that's
bad enough, but people will always argue about what's satire and what's not
(personally I think it is sexist and small
Elias, I'm sorry, but what the hell has comedy got to do with building
sustainable businesses? I think that's the joke. That while the real
startup community are trying to bring value to people... not save the
world, but just bring some value to people that have sometimes mediocre
problems,
The saddest part is that someone lost an opportunity to present a useful
app.
I'm sure alot of people busted their bums to win angel hack, and to see the
winners blow their opportunity at such an event was a terrible shame.
On Monday, 9 September 2013 17:06:12 UTC+10, Geoff Langdale wrote:
- the guys worked on a different idea. They gave up and in the early hours
of the next morning and changed it to Tit stare, because they thought they
needed to do something to get the free tickets and thought they might as
well have fun.
Lets keep this in perspective. These sorts of events are
OK. So, quite a thread. I'm not crazy about keeping it going in *any* form,
but this thread is a canonical example of What Not To Do (for almost all
concerned, probably including myself):
1) Spare me the histrionics - I think the consensus among the people who
*really* didn't like this
Nice one Geoff! +1
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Geoff Langdale geoff.langd...@gmail.comwrote:
OK. So, quite a thread. I'm not crazy about keeping it going in *any*
form, but this thread is a canonical example of What Not To Do (for almost
all concerned, probably including myself):
1)
Very well articulated, Geoff. 100% agree.
On 12 September 2013 14:11, Andy Rose a...@lawpath.com.au wrote:
Nice one Geoff! +1
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Geoff Langdale
geoff.langd...@gmail.comwrote:
OK. So, quite a thread. I'm not crazy about keeping it going in *any*
form, but
Ok, are we all done? Please stop. Please.
Regards,
Patrick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Geoff Langdale geoff.langd...@gmail.com wrote:
OK. So, quite a thread. I'm not crazy about keeping it going in *any* form,
but this thread is a canonical example of What Not To Do
Hi Geoff,
I don't think its histrionics saying they are being demonised considering
what Avis posted, which is really what my initial post was directed at.
These guys are idiots. Way to bring down the Aussie startup scene boys.
Behaviour like this is deplorable. The only people who would find
Yeah I'm over this. I've said my piece and don't plan on responding further.
Dylan Sale
On 12 September 2013 14:01, Patrick Collins pcolli...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, are we all done? Please stop. Please.
Regards,
Patrick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Geoff Langdale
rant
AngelHack IMHO is _NOT_ a 'developer hackathon' -- it is a pitching
competition.
And my partner, a female developer who would be considered a 'rock-star' if
she was male, was generally minimised and ignored by the attendees at the
AngelHack we attended despite her 15 years of experience,
These guys are idiots. Way to bring down the Aussie startup scene boys.
Behaviour like this is deplorable. The only people who would find this
'joke' funny are sexist idiots - not only is this demeaning to women, it is
demeaning to the decent men in the Aussie startup scene and is a sad
To bring a fair perspective on your partner's experience a AngelHack, even
countless times when I say I'm a .Net programmer who had developed in php
and now Ruby on Rails, most non-programmers will go clueless at .Net. So I
don't think what your partner experienced was a sexism issue. It is
Seeing as the article says they got a pretty good laugh I'd say it was a
success as a pitch. This was obviously intended as a comedy stunt and like
all comedy it is chosen for a specific audience. These guys had probably
taken a barometer reading and guessed it would go over well as a joke. It
was
Inexperienced entrepreneurs will always undervalue software engineering but
experienced entrepreneurs generally will not(if they want to be successful).
I think it's the case that Sydney has more inexperienced entrepreneurs than
the valley.
Engineers can make the best CEO's. Most of the best
Right, it was a comedy event, I guess I misinterpreted the story. All those
dumb easily offended feminazi types are jumping up and down because they
walked into a open-mic comedy event, and TechCrunch is apologizing because
they didn't understand the event they were trying to put on.
You know,
+1 Geoff. Apparently my sexism-crying-feminazi-self got confused by this
too.
On Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:24:57 UTC+10, Geoff Langdale wrote:
Right, it was a comedy event, I guess I misinterpreted the story. All
those dumb easily offended feminazi types are jumping up and down
Geoff, I agree with you with everything except they're not 'software
dudes'. I think the reporters are quick to blame the 'brogrammer' industry
without getting the facts right!
I think this article is quite spot on:
-
I'm sorry Dylan are you seriously trying to argue that people who weren't
there can't have an informed opinion on it? Try extend that logic a bit
further ...
As for your comment about jokes about minorities, it is in poor taste. And
yes, I'm judging you for it.
I'm over jerks.
On 11
Dylan, from the looks of it, you aren't a minority, and not this particular
minority (women) anyway, so you don't get to say what their reaction should
have been.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Dylan Sale dylan.s...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, you weren't there and are arguing out of context.
Absolutely true Michael!! This is actually what is holding back OZ and
keeping Sydney for example as rank no. 12 in the world's start-up scene.
The ranking varies but it hasn't moved up since Startup Genome report a few
years ago. A quick Google will show recent reports.
The problem is the
I am getting sick of reading about this. A lot of damage is going on and
people need the facts.
First, let me qualify myself:
- I was one of the five judges at the TechCrunch Disrupt hackathon. Yes, I
had to sit through six hours of 264 presentations.
- I was also there backstage when the female
Hello,
Dylan Sale:
Seeing as the article says they got a pretty good laugh I'd say it
was a success as a pitch. This was obviously intended as a comedy
stunt and like all comedy it is chosen for a specific audience.
Except it was not a comedy event - it was a professional industry event.
Well, women are not a minority. They account for pretty much 50% of the
population. That said, I'm not saying what their reaction should have been,
only that I'm sick of our general culture of overreaction to half-truths.
Telling me what I get to say is somewhat hypocritical from someone
Hi Jiri,
Except it was not a comedy event - it was a professional industry event.
Sexist remarks have no place in a work context.
I meant as part of their pitch they may have been trying to make an app
that would make guys laugh (perhaps at their own expense - appealing to
male stereotypes - I
Imma lighten the mood.
I doing an app called StartupStare, where you can take pictures of aspiring
biz dev guys staring at their tech co-founder coding in front of their
laptop for 3-6 months. You can take pictures of them staring in the cafe,
home office or co-working spaces!
On Wednesday,
Hi,
Jiri:
Really? You would rather exclude the developer who was presenting a
serious app to good reviews [1] and keep the duo who made a sexist
joke?
Dylan Sale:
No, I meant it was unfortunate for the joke/event/situation. She had
every right to be there.
Well, you can't have it both
In their defense, they're both not programmers. So unfair to label them as
brogrammers!
On Monday, September 9, 2013 3:06:12 PM UTC+8, Geoff Langdale wrote:
Great work:
If we as a group had an official voice, I for one would be asking that we make
an announcement along the lines of disowning those idiots.
The Australian Silicon Beach tech startup scene does not etc etc.
Keywords being, does not tolerate, is embarrassed by, disavows. You get
the idea.
It wasn't good especially considering a nine-year-old girl was in the
audience.
Otherwise, it would be have been okay I guess.
I find this logic so abominable.
Best Regards,
Varun.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Mark Burch m...@markburch.net wrote:
If we as a group had an official voice,
They actually are programmers.
The guys won a developer hackathon (AngelHack) back in May
On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:13:22 PM UTC+10, Fai Wong wrote:
In their defense, they're both not programmers. So unfair to label them as
brogrammers!
On Monday, September 9, 2013 3:06:12 PM UTC+8,
They just posted an apology:
https://www.facebook.com/titstare/posts/566491406741701
Both of them are not developers, but yes, they did win Angel Hack Sydney.
Elias Bizannes
http://eliasbizannes.com
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Barry Teoh barry.t...@gmail.com wrote:
They actually are
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