Re: [silk] Dust patches on camera lens...

2007-11-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:25:20AM +0300, ashok _ wrote: > The lens of my SLR / and CCD sensor of my camera have dust patches on > them... How do i remove these ? I tried wiping it with a microfiber > cloth but it doesnt seem to work . > Any ideas ? Professionals use collodium on lenses, but I

[silk] Why don't we do it in the road?

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
India was ahead of the curve, on this one... "A new school of traffic design says we should get rid of stop signs and red lights and let cars, bikes and people mingle together. It sounds insane, but it works." http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2004/05/20/traffic_design/index.html

Re: [silk] Dust patches on camera lens...

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> The lens of my SLR / and CCD sensor of my camera have dust patches on > them... How do i remove these ? I tried wiping it with a microfiber > cloth but it doesnt seem to work . > Any ideas ? http://www.cameralabs.com/workshops/dslr_dust/ has some sound advice

[silk] Dust patches on camera lens...

2007-11-06 Thread ashok _
The lens of my SLR / and CCD sensor of my camera have dust patches on them... How do i remove these ? I tried wiping it with a microfiber cloth but it doesnt seem to work . Any ideas ? ashok

Re: [silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 07/11/2007, Alok G. Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Balderdash. Karimeen is generally associated with the backwaters and > Calicut isn't. Malabar and Moplah cuisine doesn't have too much in In my home (in Calicut), Karimeen is an occassional delicacy whereas Aikura is almost daily fare. Prov

Re: [silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> In my home (in Calicut), Karimeen is an occassional delicacy whereas > Aikura is almost daily fare. Proves your point I suppose :) I don't > know their English names though. Karimeen is "pearl spot fish" - weird coinage but that's an entirely local fish Seer is a kind of mackerel if I believe W

Re: [silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
Wonder what the Tamil equivalent for pollichathu is...should be something very similar, no? One word I can think of is Avichathu - (like avicha-muttai - poached/boiled egg) C -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages http://www.linkedin.com/in/ravages http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/ +91-98844674

Re: [silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Karimeen Pearl Spot. > Aikura Seer. Or the Indo-Pacific King Mackerel. Also called Surmai, Vanjaram/Vajram and Neiy Meen.

[silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Alok G. Singh
On 7 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I disagree. Aikura is the local name for seer. Ask for kari-meen or > pearl spot. That's the one to be had as 'meen pollichathu'. Balderdash. Karimeen is generally associated with the backwaters and Calicut isn't. Malabar and Moplah cuisine doesn't have

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 07/11/2007, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked. > > It's baked? Whenever I've had it, it's always been fried. The Malayalam verb "pollikkuka" means, among

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I ate there a few months ago and it was superlative. And then there's Fry's. How I love that place. I'm not sure how well known it is though. Ceylon Bake House, has unfortunately gone down the sh**ter.

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> And now I'm hungry... > > I wonder if the Grand is still as good as it once was... I ate there a few months ago and it was superlative. Alleppey fish curry (instead of karimeen), and a chicken chettinad that had some amazingly tender, perfectly cooked chicken, seasoned with fresh pepper and wa

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Biju Chacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's baked in a frying pan. You put just enough oil so that it doesn't > stick to the pan and then close the pan. Effectively it's baked in the > banana leaf. And now I'm hungry... I wonder if the Grand is still as good as it once was...

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/7/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked. > > It's baked? Whenever I've had it, it's always been fried. It's baked in a frying pan. You put just enough

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-07 10:24:12 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked. Really? Wow. And is this really the same word as "split", or did the Englishification screw it up? -- ams

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked. It's baked? Whenever I've had it, it's always been fried.

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 07/11/2007, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the place with the 'netti pollichathu kozhi"? Roughly, it > translates to 'chicken fried standing-up'. Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked. Porichathu - coated with spices and fried in oil. Binand

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/7/07, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 2007-11-07 10:02:53 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > What's the place with the 'netti pollichathu kozhi"? Roughly, it > > translates to 'chicken fried standing-up'. > > Actually, it would translate to chicken /split/, not fried, s

[silk] Excuse my French [WAS Re: List admin?]

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/7/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > shiv > (who knows so much French that even the French don't know) Learned in Pondicherry? IIRC, you studied there. Don't they have slightly Tamilised French there? -- b (who despite several years of French study is down to one phrase "Parlez

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, it would translate to chicken /split/, not fried, standing up. > I think the word you're looking for is porichathu (r not ll), though the > transliteration into English leaves much to be desired either way. I stand corrected.

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-07 10:02:53 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What's the place with the 'netti pollichathu kozhi"? Roughly, it > translates to 'chicken fried standing-up'. Actually, it would translate to chicken /split/, not fried, standing up. I think the word you're looking for is porichathu (r not

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (FWIW "Jew Town" would probably be offensive to most Jews, but we will > be visiting Cochin's Jewish Quarter and synagogues for sure.) Historically, "Jew Town" is what Cochin's Jewish Quarter (uhh ... Jewish sixty-fourth?) is called. I've no

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Alok G. Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keep asking for 'meen pollichathu' until the fish is 'aikura'. It's > usually a different fish everyday. I disagree. Aikura is the local name for seer. Ask for kari-meen or pearl spot. That's the one to be had as 'meen pollichathu'. > Go acr

Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Sriram Karra [06/11/07 22:23 +]: Well, doing it at a provider level .. the marketers are all for it, because the only option is the report spam / mark as junk button. Not sure I understand what you mean. Look at it this way. Hotmail tied up with a group called Returnpath (www.returnpath.

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 06 Nov 2007 6:20 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote: > the unsubscribe email doesn't  always seem to unsubscribe one Few people (especially the techies) realise that the server that gets the message is located in France and that server interprets the "unsubscribe" message as "un subscription" - or

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Deepak Misra
On 11/6/07, Madhu M Kurup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmm: > > Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > > > But I'd have figured someone with a gnu.org address would be able to > figure > > out how to unsub from a mailman list .. oh well. > > > > Time to confess up, I recently went through an email add

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Alok G. Singh
On 6 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are driving down to Cochin, take the scenic route through Gundulpet, Bathery, and Calicut. It's quite a lovely drive. > 1) Food When in Calicut, go for lunch to the Paragon hotel (ask anyone, it is a small town). Ask for 'meen pollichathu'. Eat it

Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Sriram Karra
On 11/6/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, doing it at a provider level .. the marketers are all for it, > because > the only option is the report spam / mark as junk button. Not sure I understand what you mean. Anyway, for list-unsubscribe type headers, gnus - wh

Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Sriram Karra
On 11/6/07, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:23:43PM +, Sriram Karra wrote: > > > In short, with access to your inbox, implementing such a system should > be > > fairly straightforward... right? I'd like to think so. [Maybe one of > these > > Oh, I don't thi

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Radhika, Y.
on the jewish story. there were a few thousand European Jews who were in INdia in the 40s in mumbai who later went to Israel. there were refugees during the war. One of my friends' dad taught French at University of Mumbai and met a lot of the jewish people at the time. 2007/11/6, ashok _ <[EMAIL

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread ashok _
On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes wrote: > > Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never > been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin > or environs either before or after? > watch out for the "fleas" in fort cochin... anybody looking foreign is game..

Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:23:43PM +, Sriram Karra wrote: > In short, with access to your inbox, implementing such a system should be > fairly straightforward... right? I'd like to think so. [Maybe one of these Oh, I don't think so. And automatic anythings won't work that well in future, give

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-06 10:44:33 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > (FWIW "Jew Town" would probably be offensive to most Jews [...] > > IMO, Jew Town, despite the name, is not offensive. I thought he meant the name was offensive. -- ams

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Thaths
On Nov 6, 2007 9:55 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Food > 2) More food > 3) Good food Lots of this to be had. Try both the local Keralan cuisine and also the fusion cuisine. There are some good cookbooks on Malayalee cuisine available as well. > 4) History Fort Kochi is good.

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Thaths
On Nov 6, 2007 9:40 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never > been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin > or environs either before or after? I was in kochi in Jun of 2005. My photos: http://

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> > So why ARE there so few Jews in India? I know that historically there > were thriving Jewish communities. Is it because they, in general, > supported the Raj? Is it because of some form of historical leftist > anti-semitism? > Most of them emigrated en masse to Israel. There have been some v

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 11/6/07, Anish Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Charles, > If you intend to travel around Cochin ( say another 100+ kms) you could > see a lot more. BTW what kind of stuff are in interested, > culture/history/nature ? 1) Food 2) More food 3) Good food 4) History 5) Culture My frie

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Charles Haynes said the following on 06/11/2007 21:40: > Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never > been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin > or environs either before or after? Haven't been there recently, so don't know if this still hol

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never > been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin > or environs either before or after? Fish dishes at the Grand Hotel (it is a faded old three star hotel, quite cheap but clean .. but its restaurant is e

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:31: > Didn't you get married in Varkala? You'd probably not recognise the > place -- lots of shops with signs like "Ici on parle Francais" and so > forth. Did you stay in the Taj, then? Lovely place, terrible ("Mal") service. Ram

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Anish Mohammed
Hi Charles, If you intend to travel around Cochin ( say another 100+ kms) you could see a lot more. BTW what kind of stuff are in interested, culture/history/nature ? regards Anish On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/6/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:09: > > > > > Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared > > > largely populated by Europeans -- nar

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote [at 10:46 PM 11/6/2007] : > Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared > largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW. Kerala is way too exotic for Americans to go to. Besides, it's too near Eyerack, EyeRAN, and all those

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 11/6/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:09: > > > Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared > > largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW. > > Kerala is way too exotic for Ame

Re: [silk] Suicide Bombing Makes Sick Sense in Halo 3

2007-11-06 Thread Anish Mohammed
Hi all, This reminded me of the episode of Southpark titled " Make love not warcraft" :-). regards Anish

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:09: > Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared > largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW. Kerala is way too exotic for Americans to go to. Besides, it's too near Eyerack, EyeRAN, and all those

Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Udhay Shankar N wrote: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/JubaksJournal/KuwaitKicksSandOnTheDollar.aspx > >> > > >> > The U.S. dollar took a big hit last week. From Kuwait. On May 20, > >> > Kuwait stopped pegging its currency, the dinar, to the U.S. dollar. > >> > >>Related? > >> > >>

Re: [silk] Suicide Bombing Makes Sick Sense in Halo 3

2007-11-06 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
On 06/11/2007, Casey O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Reminds me of this strip: > > http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20031215 > > I don't think that's what the person writing the article was talking > about at all. Oh, I didn't say he did. Just that the first paragraph of th

Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> In short, with access to your inbox, implementing such a system should > be fairly straightforward... right? I'd like to think so. [Maybe one of > these days I'll overcome the inertia to complete the patchwork of procmail > recipes and cgi scripts to have a working prototype] Well, doing it at a

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Madhu M Kurup
Hmm: Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: But I'd have figured someone with a gnu.org address would be able to figure out how to unsub from a mailman list .. oh well. Time to confess up, I recently went through an email address change and for the life of me could not find the original mail/monthly

[silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Sriram Karra
On 11/6/07, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, list unsubscription isn't hard; if you can follow instructions > that is. Users who are having trouble with lists are usually not > looking hard enough and give up fairly early, especially since asking > the list at large for help

Re: [silk] Suicide Bombing Makes Sick Sense in Halo 3

2007-11-06 Thread Casey O'Donnell
> Reminds me of this strip: > http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20031215 I don't think that's what the person writing the article was talking about at all. He's actually making a more subtle argument which I find really interesting. Now, he doesn't connect it up to current US Army poli

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-06 20:20:03 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > we haven't seen many emails asking for help with unsubscribing, plus > there are the monthly reminder emails that mailman spams everyone with Even on lists that *do* feature such text at the bottom of every message (usually added in respon

[silk] Fwd: List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
FYI, Gary should no longer be subscribed. Cheeni -- Forwarded message -- From: Gary V. Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Nov 2, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [silk] List admin? To: Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: > [BCC

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Nov 6, 2007 6:20 PM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > Er, Cheeni...the unsubscribe email doesn't always seem to unsubscribe one! I'd really strongly doubt that; mailman is a fairly stable application, and deploying it isn't rocket science. It's another matter that even if it we

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Nov 6, 2007 6:49 PM, Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deepa Mohan wrote: [...] > Perhaps consider adding subscription info as a message body footer > instead of as message headers would help non-geeky people who don't > usually see the headers by default in their mail clients (and may no

Re: [silk] vacancy bait...

2007-11-06 Thread Thaths
On 11/6/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/6/07, Valsa Williams wrote: > > To add to Kenya, Its the most beautiful place, awesome ! I had a glorious > > for pictures: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157602329119403/ > i have a few more pictures here: > http://

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> Perhaps consider adding subscription info as a message body footer > instead of as message headers would help non-geeky people who don't > usually see the headers by default in their mail clients (and may not > even know what they mean?) > > This list is fairly diverse. All that is given in the

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Madhu Menon
Deepa Mohan wrote: No SRS, I don't want to have *fun*...someone else (a techie) had wanted to unsubscibe and gave me that feedback. I personally have no intention of spending my time unsubscribing and then subscribing again with an unknown rate of success at both! Perhaps consider adding subs

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Deepa Mohan
On 11/6/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > > > > > Er, Cheeni...the unsubscribe email doesn't always seem to unsubscribe > > one! > > On a server I run, it had damn well better do so :) > > Here's a test, deepa - send

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > > Er, Cheeni...the unsubscribe email doesn't always seem to unsubscribe > one! On a server I run, it had damn well better do so :) Here's a test, deepa - send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe, and if you get a fo

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Deepa Mohan
On 11/2/07, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [BCCing silk to avoid followups] > > All of the information that you are looking for is present in the > email headers of every message sent to the list, > > List-Id: Intelligent Conversation > List-Unsubscribe:

Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
[BCCing silk to avoid followups] All of the information that you are looking for is present in the email headers of every message sent to the list, List-Id: Intelligent Conversation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Pos

[silk] Open Source Time travel

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
One of the funnier bug reports I've read recently: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3645 -- b

Re: [silk] vacancy bait...

2007-11-06 Thread ashok _
On 11/6/07, Valsa Williams wrote: > To add to Kenya, Its the most beautiful place, awesome ! I had a glorious > for pictures: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157602329119403/ > i have a few more pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/immagine.ke/Lamu?authkey=hGg0XGik-o

Re: [silk] vacancy bait...

2007-11-06 Thread ashok _
On 11/6/07, Valsa Williams wrote: > community is wonderful, loving and giving. If a girl gets married all the > families pool in the expenses, and the groom pays dowry ..."bride price"... usually goats, cattle, cash, land (depending upon the tribe... since each tribe values materials differently..