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2009-10-06 Thread Ode Coyote
Gangsta cultural influence came about with integration. Working mothers, semi orphaned kids seek new families. Gangstas have nothing better to do than be that new family. Gangsta is a culture of blame and victim-hood used to justify lashing out and manipulating others vs accomplishment

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2009-10-05 Thread Ode Coyote
4 out of 5 times I've been ripped off in my life. it's been by *professing* Christians, the Godless horde has been more honest, though not perfect either. I had that childhood too. I never was a believer, avoided church like a plague since I was 5 and never had an urge to go around stabbing

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2009-10-05 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
This is nothing to do with the belief or disbelief in God. It is because children are no longer taught from the cradle up, to respect other people and other people's property. There is no discipline and no deterrents, so what do we all expect? Society is reaping the benefits? I think

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2009-10-05 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I totally agree Ode. Also about it going to the OT list. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 11:21, Ode Coyote wrote: 4 out of 5 times I've been ripped off in my life. it's been by *professing* Christians, the Godless horde has been more honest, though not perfect either. I had that childhood too. I

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2009-10-05 Thread Evans, Antonio F.
, 2009 5:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT whatever,,, - Original Message - From: Evans, Antonio F. antonio.ev...@va.gov To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: RE: CS Native American stories--OT Greetings all

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2009-10-05 Thread Evans, Antonio F.
-Original Message- From: ATOMICSILVER [mailto:atomicsil...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Hi Marshall, any good Mayan stories to share ? I am living in the Mayan Mountains ( Belize ) and am working with the Maya

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2009-10-05 Thread cyndiann
I totally agree Garnet. This is not the place for religious discussions and certainly not the place for misguided prejudice. Knock it off Bruce. Cyndi Garnet wrote: The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away is no reason to

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2009-10-05 Thread zoe w
My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe Garnet wrote: The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away

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2009-10-05 Thread Garnet
The rules are on the list home page, when it is up that is. It's also fairly common netiquette to avoid controversial issues when it does not pertain to the list topic particularly when there is an OT list. I don't think your original posts about stories were a problem Zoe, it was when it

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2009-10-05 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I think its on the silver list home page. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 14:55, zoe w wrote: My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe Garnet wrote: -- The Silver

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2009-10-05 Thread zoe w
As has been noted on several occasions, that homepage no longer exists. zoe Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I think its on the silver list home page. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 14:55, zoe w wrote: My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began

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2009-10-05 Thread cking001
Appears to be a rumor... Comes up fine on my firefox browser. And my Opera browser... I don't use IE but firefox can open a IE page, and it comes up there also... http://silverlist.org/ An excerpt pertaining to the present discussion: == Prohibited Topics

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2009-10-05 Thread Donna
I totally agree! Donna ACS This is nothing to do with the belief or disbelief in God. It is because children are no longer taught from the cradle up, to respect other people and other people's property. There is no discipline and no deterrents, so what do we all expect? Society is reaping

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2009-10-04 Thread Dianne France
: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Good for you Marshall, hopefully there are enuf others like you to change your states reputation amongst those of us who came smack up against the other side. For some reason it seems the negative elements are often the most visible. zoe Marshall

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2009-10-04 Thread Dianne France
: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Good for you Marshall, hopefully there are enuf others like you to change your states reputation amongst those of us who came smack up against the other side. For some reason it seems the negative elements are often the most visible. zoe Marshall

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2009-10-04 Thread cyndiann
Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids'

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2009-10-04 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Well said Cyndi, I was wondering when *someone* would put their hands up and say 'enough is enough.' Is Mike away? dee On 4 Oct 2009, at 13:22, cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the

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2009-10-04 Thread Bruce Anderson
Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking

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2009-10-04 Thread Garnet
The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away is no reason to disrespect the rules we agree to when we subscribe. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This

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2009-10-03 Thread Ode Coyote
Seems to me that those who expect consideration and those who have none, are in the same boat with a drill in hand. Ode On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our

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2009-10-03 Thread Norton, Steve
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Oct 02 21:21:52 2009 Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT This thread should probably come to an end but I wanted to add a little something to it before we incur the wrath of he who must be obeyed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

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2009-10-02 Thread Malcolm
tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad

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2009-10-02 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:15 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- Being Scottish my family's

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2009-10-02 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I agree, the pendulum is swinging too far the other way, as it tends to do. dee On 1 Oct 2009, at 23:28, aKa Jhon wrote: In my experience,prejudices have a reason,, and if your definition of 'diversity means all thinking the same,where is the place for prejudice peoples.. just give them a

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2009-10-02 Thread Sandy
Ha Ha Thanks Malcolm, I'm going to remember that saying...it certainly replies to me. Sandy --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:52 AM I know

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2009-10-02 Thread Melly Bag
not be where we are now.  PRIDE is the source of all evil while LOVE is the source of all goodness.   But, this  is difficult and needs  much training and self discipline.   Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT

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2009-10-02 Thread Clayton Family
of all goodness. But, this is difficult and needs much training and self discipline. Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:52 AM I know what you

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2009-10-02 Thread Melly Bag
not be where we are now.  PRIDE is the source of all evil while LOVE is the source of all goodness.   But, this  is difficult and needs  much training and self discipline.   Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories

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2009-10-02 Thread Marshall Dudley
zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern,

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2009-10-02 Thread zoe w
Good for you Marshall, hopefully there are enuf others like you to change your states reputation amongst those of us who came smack up against the other side. For some reason it seems the negative elements are often the most visible. zoe Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so

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2009-10-02 Thread ATOMICSILVER
Hi Marshall, any good Mayan stories to share ? I am living in the Mayan Mountains ( Belize ) and am working with the Maya every day .amazing people ! thanks Richard On 02/10/2009, at 10:01, Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations

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2009-10-02 Thread Peter Converse
amen to that Melly!...2nd Chronicles 7:14 Peter - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish

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2009-10-02 Thread ZZekelink
I love this group !! You folks are great !! Lois In a message dated 10/2/2009 12:01:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be

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2009-10-02 Thread Michael Mahoney
This thread should probably come to an end but I wanted to add a little something to it before we incur the wrath of he who must be obeyed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You've_Got_to_Be_Carefully_Taught You've Got to Be Carefully Taught From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You've Got to

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2009-10-01 Thread Evans, Antonio F.
[mailto:ahorse52...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry. I look at things a bit backward

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2009-10-01 Thread zoe w
that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com

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2009-10-01 Thread zoe w
Predjudice is born out of ignorance.Human beings tend to fear what they don't understand. Education is the key to understanding, but its a long slow arduous process. We make inroads in one area only to get slapped in the face in another. And Yes, NAs as you put it have saved

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2009-10-01 Thread Sandee George
Hi There Namesake with a y - I simply love your attitude and sense of humor, both of which make us who we are Warmest regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post,

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2009-10-01 Thread Clayton Family
My NA ancestors chose to not go to a res- they feared extermination once all were corralled, which is what happened over and over, but happily not in all places. They moved West, which they said had much less hatred for blood and much more respect for the individual and his

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2009-10-01 Thread zoe w
Fantastic Story Kathryn and not unlike my own. My favorite quip is that some of my ancestors came here on a boat and the rest were on the shore to greet them. :) Yes my French ancestors arrived here in 1685- French Hugonauts(sp) fleeing from certain execution. But after 3

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2009-10-01 Thread Sandy
Thank you, Sandee...not only do our names [almost] match but we must have the same attitude and sense of humor. :) Sandy --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com

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2009-10-01 Thread Marshall Dudley
Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have

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2009-10-01 Thread zoe w
Right On !Ownership of anything particularly the land, was not a concept they understood at all. zoe Marshall Dudley wrote: Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be

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2009-10-01 Thread aKa Jhon
whatever,,, - Original Message - From: Evans, Antonio F. antonio.ev...@va.gov To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: RE: CS Native American stories--OT Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one

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2009-10-01 Thread zoe w
I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my

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2009-10-01 Thread aKa Jhon
In my experience,prejudices have a reason,, and if your definition of 'diversity means all thinking the same,where is the place for prejudice peoples.. just give them a pill??? Maybe they wish for a pill that would the 'others' go away'... oh well I think that the lofty idea of 'the war on

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2009-10-01 Thread ZZekelink
After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- If I ever got upset about breaking something They would say to me -- It didn't

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2009-10-01 Thread zoe w
Excellent advice, you were lucky to have that kind of upbringing. zoe zzekel...@aol.com wrote: After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color

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2009-10-01 Thread Donna
Your parents were great people! Donna ACS After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- If I ever got upset about breaking something They

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2009-10-01 Thread Brickeyk
My GGGrandmothers uncle was killed by a Cherokee death squad when they just arrived in Oklahoma. She said that was why our family did not register as NA. The Chief killed my uncle. Looking back I believe the chief was also a cousin. I know his son is a cousin. So your own people and family

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2009-09-30 Thread AHorse52251
Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from trees all across this

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2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
Im glad you are enjoying the stories. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There

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2009-09-30 Thread Sandy
proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT

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2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM Im glad you are enjoying the stories. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were

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2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments.Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full

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2009-09-30 Thread Donna
thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM Im glad you

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2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
Excellent point Donna, Prejudice is taught ! No one is born with it. It has to be learned and as such it can be unlearned just as well.I see it even in my own family and it makes me very sad indeed. zoe Donna wrote: Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way

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2009-09-30 Thread Sandy
Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry   hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy  thanks so much for sharing your story.  It is unfortunate,  but many of us  suffered  similar torments.    Hang on to that pride

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2009-09-30 Thread Sandy
less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM

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2009-09-30 Thread AHorse52251
the craziness. I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts... Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:29 PM Yes

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2009-09-30 Thread AHorse52251
There but for the grace... --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:41 PM Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat