Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-04-24 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
eper than we credit.That's quite a percentage. I wonder what the number would be for the public at large. Did anyone ask this group of futurists what their major objection to immortality is? Religious reasons? Eric B. Ramsay singularity | Archives | Modify Your Subscription

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-04-13 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
hanks. Eric B. Ramsay Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Samantha:From what you said above $50M will do the entire job. If that is all that is standing between us and AGI then surely we can get on with it in all haste. Oh for gawdsake, this is such a tedious discussion. I would

Re: Promoting AGI (RE: [singularity] Vista/AGI)

2008-04-08 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
o get from here to Mars (or wherever) depending on how extravagantly you want to travel but if you define the problem as "just get there", I am confident the costs will not be different by a factor of 100 million. Eric B. Ramsay Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, M

Re: Promoting AGI (RE: [singularity] Vista/AGI)

2008-04-08 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
inion before on what is required for a technological breakthrough (unless people are not being serious and I am being naive). I suppose this sort of non-consensus on such a scale could be part of investor reticence. Eric B. Ramsay Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Mike Tin

RE: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-04-08 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
. >IMO... So you see the arrival of a Tipping Point as per Malcolm Gladwell. Whether I physically benefit from the arrival of the Singularity or not, I just want to see the damn thing. I would invest some modest sums in AGI if we could get a huge collection plate going around (these collection pla

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-04-06 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
ire the imagination of someone for whom 10 mil. is a charity donation? Eric B. Ramsay Eric B. Ramsay Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the concept behind Novamente is truly compelling enough, it > should be no problem to make a successful pitch. > > Eric B. Ramsay Gee

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-04-06 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
d be no problem to make a successful pitch. Eric B. Ramsay Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Much of this discussion is very abstract, which is I guess how you think about these issues when you don't have a specific AGI design in mind. My view is a little different. If the Nova

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Lol. Calm down fella. You are going to give yourself a stroke. Eric B. Ramsay "J. Andrew Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Few people would define the developments task as hiring hundreds of engineers to do things like write device drivers and apps for defective Chinese

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Two guys in a garage would never have built the bomb. The question is whether or not the two efforts are indeed comparable. Eric B. Ramsay Thomas McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/16/08, Eric B. Ramsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It took Microsoft over 1000 engineers, $6

[singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
and give coherence to the effort. Eric B. Ramsay --- singularity Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/11983/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/11983/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id

Re: [singularity] Re: Revised version of Jaron Lanier's thought experiment.

2008-03-05 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
is comment? If the people here are intelligent enough to have meaningful discussions on a difficult topic, then they will be able to sort out for themselves the "styles" of others. Eric B. Ramsay --- singularity Archives: http://www.listbox.com

[singularity] Re: Revised version of Jaron Lanier's thought experiment.

2008-02-22 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
orget to combine program + OS. Thus the rainstorm by itself has no emergent properties. Eric B. Ramsay --- singularity Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/11983/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/11983/ Modify Your Subscri

Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-19 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
man's sentiment. What a waste of mental energy. A line of discussion as equally fruitless as solipsism. I am in full agreement with Richard Loosemore on this one. Eric B. Ramsay Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 20/02/2008, Richard Loosemore wrote: > I am aware of so

[singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier

2008-02-15 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
I get it: http://www.jaronlanier.com/aichapter.html Eric B. Ramsay "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:How about – the movie is going along, year 2028, an AGI goes Singularity and burns to the center of the earth and converts the

Re: [singularity] MindForth achieves True AI functionality

2008-02-02 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Thanks for the link Tom. Makes me think of Lyndon LaRouche but perhaps that's not a good analogy. Eric B. Ramsay Thomas McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 2, 2008 3:49 PM, Eric B. Ramsay wrote: > I noticed that the members of the list have completely ignored this > pro

Re: [singularity] MindForth achieves True AI functionality

2008-02-02 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
I noticed that the members of the list have completely ignored this pronouncement by A.T. Murray. Is there a reason for this (for example is this person considered fringe or worse)? Eric B. Ramsay "A. T. Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MindForth free open AI source

Re: [singularity] World as Simulation

2008-01-13 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Matt: I need to think about all of this more. In the meantime, determinism may not be dead. See, http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0212095v1 and http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0703179v2. Eric B. Ramsay Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- "Eric B. Ramsay" wrote: >

Re: [singularity] World as Simulation

2008-01-12 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
ow the photon like a billiard ball instead of two variations in behaviour with observers thrown in? Eric B. Ramsay Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- "Eric B. Ramsay" wrote: > Matt: I would prefer to analyse something simple such as the double slit > experi

Re: [singularity] World as Simulation

2008-01-12 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
servations. Eric B. Ramsay Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- "Eric B. Ramsay" wrote: > Apart from all this philosophy (non-ending as it seems), Table 1. of the > paper referred to at the start of this thread gives several consequences of > a simulation

RE: [singularity] World as Simulation

2008-01-12 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
y speed-of-light in one multiverse was larger than ours, say WAY larger example 10^100*c. If intermultiverse communication is possible how would the physics work out if a simulation or manipulation was conducted from one to the other. John From: Eric B. Ramsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [singularity] World as Simulation

2008-01-12 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Apart from all this philosophy (non-ending as it seems), Table 1. of the paper referred to at the start of this thread gives several consequences of a simulation that offer to explain what's behind current physical observations such as the upper speed limit of light, relativistic and quantum eff

[singularity] World as Simulation

2008-01-03 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Some of you may be interested in this link (if you haven't already seen the article). http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0337 Eric B. Ramsay - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/m

Re: Machine Motivation Gets Distorted Again [WAS Re: [singularity] Help get the 400k SIAI matching challenge on DIGG's front page]

2007-05-15 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
I have a Ph.D. in Nuclear Physics and I don't understand half of what is said on this board (as well as the AGI board). I appreciate all simplifications that anyone cares to make. Eric B. Ramsay Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shane, Thankyou for being patronizing.

[singularity] Implications of an already existing singularity.

2007-03-27 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
strongest definition of what the term "singularity" implies, then is the universe big enough for two? Eric B. Ramsay - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=11983