David wrote:
>
> I wasn't going to get onto this thread, cos I'm a Mac person struggling
> with Linux and getting by, not an IT professional.
> LINUX IS NOT EASY.
I found Linux a lot easier to install and although I agree that
the OS is not easy to install and configure (unless you use SuSE
;-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -> What exactly do you find difficult (desktop wise?).
>
> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you
> have to find the right file - read a readme - figure out how to
> decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party
> soft
> > Where's Word??? :-) Or even Notepad???
>
> Foot, applications, gnotepad - foot, applications, abiword
>
> ok it's probably not all that obvious if you've never used a computer,
> but finding the same on windows or macos would be just as difficult
Granted, but the advantage windows have is t
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote:
> I cannot get over the mass impression that people are somehow
> born with built-in knowledge of using a WIMP interface like
> Window or Mac. Nothing could be farther from the truth. This impression
> has arisen simply from over-exposure to that one med
>She shouldn't. But no-one is born with the ability to use these
>beasties. No matter whether it's shell commands, using morphing tools
Well this supports Dan's point about post install training.
I think you are in the minority over WIMPs where *ordinary people* are
concerned though. I like CLIs
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Ken Yap wrote:
> >Anyone can be trained to use WIMP. Anybody can be taught to
> >use a shell. Anyone can type in a command. They just have to be
> >taught.
>
> Yeah sure we can train you to add up rows of numbers, but do you want
> to?
>
> Now if you are talking staff who u
>Anyone can be trained to use WIMP. Anybody can be taught to
>use a shell. Anyone can type in a command. They just have to be
>taught.
Yeah sure we can train you to add up rows of numbers, but do you want
to?
Now if you are talking staff who use computers, maybe they should learn
more than WIMPs
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, enterfornone wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:34:07PM +1100, Dan Treacy wrote:
> >
> > Where's Word??? :-) Or even Notepad???
>
> Foot, applications, gnotepad - foot, applications, abiword
>
> ok it's probably not all that obvious if you've never used a computer,
> but
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:34:07PM +1100, Dan Treacy wrote:
>
> Where's Word??? :-) Or even Notepad???
Foot, applications, gnotepad - foot, applications, abiword
ok it's probably not all that obvious if you've never used a computer,
but finding the same on windows or macos would be just as dif
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:26:55AM +1100, DaZZa wrote:
> I don't even know how to tell if mine is running accelerated under 3.3.6.
> :)
>
> Not that I really care - it works, runs at 1600x1200 in 32 bpp mode, and
> I can live with that. :-)
download the demo of quake3 or soldier of fortune. if
Mus bash raster =)
> i've had to read many.. like man pages for dhcpd which chanegdc config
> file formats.. and if i wasnt so familiar with X and nvidia i'd have
> spent a god extra few days getting X up.. but i've done it before so
> many times i can roll my own xf86config off the top of my hea
> But Im worried when people say "linux must become more simple" "linux must
> be easier to use" if it wants to get on the desktop, as if being on the
> desktop is a conquest.
These are red herrings. "Simple" and "easier to use" are incalculable
metrics, as every person is different, and ever
> I haven't read a README since going to Debian to get an application to
> work. I'm still unsure whether that's good or bad.
>
> > decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party
> > software (linux has distros - but they will never answer everything -
> > in the end 3rd party
On 30 Nov, David scribbled:
->
-> I wasn't going to get onto this thread, cos I'm a Mac person struggling
-> with Linux and getting by, not an IT professional.
->
-> LINUX IS NOT EASY.
->
-> The trouble with this list is that nearly everyone is an IT pro, and has
-> no idea what it's like to
On 30 Nov, Craige McWhirter scribbled:
->
-> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:44:16 you wrote:
->
->> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you
->
-> Not with apt. I'm sorry Raster, but running "apt-get install gnomehack"
-> (for example) and having the correct version downloade
Hi all,
Well, I have tried installing packages on Linux
- Copying over tarballs,
- RPM through command line
- RPM through GUI (old version; broke often)
and on Solaris:
- Copying over tarballs,
- Installing through package manager
- Installing throu
> For "apt-get" you have to type stuff in. I dare anyone to either unplug their
> keyboard for a day or not use a terminal/shell.
Have a look at gnome-apt, aptitude and auto-apt (the cunningest of the
three, which Gus pointed out not too long ago).
If I couldn't use a terminal, I couldn't re
My opinions on ease of installation:
1. Linux can beat Windows anyday on ease of installation if the vendors
want to. Observe StarOffice's install. Most developers don't go to this
length, unfortunately. Geeks can always continue to use make, the
command line installer, etc. Nobody is going to ta
> And what about things like Xfree 4. last time I looked anything apt-getable
> was still in development and not to be taken lightly. As usual things might
> have changed recently but Xf4 has been out for a while...
XFree 4 has now entered unstable main, and it's being updated every few
days,
> -> I also think theirs a limit as to how user friendly computers can be
> -> with
> -> out AI. I mean, for some people a mouse is hard to use, and reading
> -> error
> -> messages is really a big task.
>
> those people should fail the "computer user license test" :) we need
> people to be lice
> I think the demand is quite small.
>
When compared to the MS market.. REAL small.
> I guess companies that get involved with Free Software have to be
> fairly hard headed.
>
> I feel that some have rushed in to try to take advantage of a
> trendy movement, without looking deeply at the consequ
I wasn't going to get onto this thread, cos I'm a Mac person struggling
with Linux and getting by, not an IT professional.
LINUX IS NOT EASY.
The trouble with this list is that nearly everyone is an IT pro, and has
no idea what it's like to struggle with config files and arcane syntax.
When
On Thursday 30 November 2000 11:16, Craige McWhirter wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:44:16 you wrote:
> > installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you
>
> Not with apt. I'm sorry Raster, but running "apt-get install gnomehack"
> (for example) and having the correct version
> Hmm. But, if you used a distro to its full power, ie with
> rpmfind for deadrat or apt-get fro debian, then 99% of software
> installs are 100% easier, take less time, and work _right_, a
> considerably more consistantly than on windows. If you happen to be
> writing the software, or installin
> Never having used mac I can't really compare, but installing a basic
> desktop distro is simple. There is a lot about Linux that is beyond
> the average user, but if you can install and configure Windows I can't see
> how you would have trouble installing Linux to the point where you can
> type
> Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before
> desktop apps are going to be a serious issue.
>
> I am a lot more savvy than the average user, and I find myself constantly
> struggling with configs and installs.
>
I fear this more than anything is the biggest hurdl
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:44:16 you wrote:
> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you
Not with apt. I'm sorry Raster, but running "apt-get install gnomehack"
(for example) and having the correct version downloaded, installed,
configured with all it's dependencies is some
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote:
> As for nvidia, well i dont buy 3dfx cards because they are value for
> money =)
>
> (has anyone got nvidia cards to run accelerated on 2.4.x??)
I don't even know how to tell if mine is running accelerated under 3.3.6.
:)
Not that I really care - it w
On 30 Nov, Dean Hamstead scribbled:
->> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you
->> have to find the right file - read a readme - figure out how to
->> decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party
->> software (linux has distros - but they will nev
> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you
> have to find the right file - read a readme - figure out how to
> decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party
> software (linux has distros - but they will never answer everything -
> in the end 3rd part
Rachel Polanskis wrote:
>
> Sluggers,
>
> I read on /. about Applix and Adobe both making annoucements about
> discontinuing popular products on the Linux platfrom.
>
> Applix is begging that free officeware products are biting too hard.
> What about Adobe?
>
This is not as bad as it may seem
Jamie Honan wrote:
>
> (BTW, anyone else finding slash less than satisfying these days?)
I gave up on slashdot over a year ago. It was when they started trying
to fool readers. I subs to Humourix for jokes.
> Applix would have been very affected by StarOffice. Adobe's reasoning
> is harder to
(BTW, anyone else finding slash less than satisfying these days?)
Rachel:
>Applix is begging that free officeware products are biting too hard.
>What about Adobe?
>I do not like seeing this sort of thing happen to Linux.
>Is there not enough demand or is it a case of the market being poorly
>pl
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:44:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> On 29 Nov, enterfornone scribbled:
> -> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:43:35PM +1100, David wrote:
> -> >
> -> > Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before
> -> > desktop apps are going to be a seriou
On 29 Nov, enterfornone scribbled:
-> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:43:35PM +1100, David wrote:
-> >
-> > Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before
-> > desktop apps are going to be a serious issue.
-> >
-> > I am a lot more savvy than the average user, and I f
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:43:35PM +1100, David wrote:
>
> Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before
> desktop apps are going to be a serious issue.
>
> I am a lot more savvy than the average user, and I find myself constantly
> struggling with configs and install
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Rachel Polanskis wrote:
>
> I read on /. about Applix and Adobe both making annoucements about
> discontinuing popular products on the Linux platfrom.
Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before
desktop apps are going to be a serious issue.
Use open standards, document clearly any additions to these standards.
Then let open source develop its own solutions. =)
Dean
Rachel Polanskis wrote:
>
> Sluggers,
>
> I read on /. about Applix and Adobe both making annoucements about
> discontinuing popular products on the Linux platfrom.
>
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