Re: [RCSE] How long will 72Mhz remain open?

2008-03-07 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
To put a finer point on this, as 2.4 continues to capture the (sour) market it opens the opportunity for continued infiltration of RF-based toys without any policing. In other words, not only is this (lower) bandwidth unattractive to anyone other than it's original intent, the controls that we

Re: [RCSE] How long will 72Mhz remain open?

2008-03-07 Thread Doug McLaren
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 02:16:22PM -0800, Bill Swingle wrote: > So now that 2.4 Ghz is emerging in force; how long will we continue > to have FCC approved access to the 72MHz band? Probably a long time. But they're a governmental agency, so who knows? Our channels are too small for FM voice tra

[RCSE] The REALLY BIG deal about 2.4

2008-03-07 Thread Jim Laurel
As populations grow and expan into formerly rural areas, land suitable for use as flying fields is becoming increasingly scarce. And having to keep fields at least 3 miles apart to ensure no channel conflicts reduces the possibilities even further. The biggest impact of 2.4 is that flying fields

[RCSE] FW: [GSWarbirds] Tech reply 2.4 and C.F.

2008-03-07 Thread Fred A. Sheplavy
I don't know what all the fuss is about 2.4 GHz and carbon fiber fuselages. See the message below from Horizon Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andrew Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GSWarbirds] Tech reply 2.4 and C.F. Well

[RCSE] RTS Soaring Works

2008-03-07 Thread David Jensen
Does anyone know Dan Stang of RTS Soaring Works. He is a builder in New Jersey and I and others have been trying to get a hold of him for over a week. His cell phone will not accept anymore messages. Any help would be appreciated. David

[RCSE] Re: " What's the big deal about 2.4? - COST?

2008-03-07 Thread Robglover
Gordy - Bubba does not have unlimited resources, nowhere close. Bubba choses to expend some of the resources he has on toy planes. If Bubba did have unlimited resources he would be arriving in Muncie in a small jet full of toy planes and renting a nice convertable to fly XC with this year. As it

Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly "

2008-03-07 Thread Jay Hunter
You guys can feel the difference from faster servos, servos with higher resolution, see or sense the slightest bubble in lift, detect the slightest change in the air, feel the air temp changes yet the fact that spektrum is measurably faster is somehow lost on human senses? On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at

Re: [RCSE] 2.4G lag time reality.

2008-03-07 Thread LJolly
Paul, In the case of the Spread Spektrum systems you are absolutely correct. You will also not be able to take advantage of the Global Unique Identifier that the allows the dedicated 2.4 systems to recognize a dedicated binded model setup. Larry **It's Tax Time! Get tips, form

[RCSE] 2.4G lag time reality.

2008-03-07 Thread Paul Breed
One area that makes this fuzzy is the 2.4Ghz add on module. If the module plugs into the back of what was once a 72Mhz system it will not gain you any lag time advantage. It may actually increase the lag time. As the 2.4Ghz module is reading the pulse stream from the 72Mhz tx and then sending

[RCSE] How long will 72Mhz remain open?

2008-03-07 Thread Bill Swingle
So now that 2.4 Ghz is emerging in force; how long will we continue to have FCC approved access to the 72MHz band? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and

Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting ...

2008-03-07 Thread David Klein
The increase in responce is comparable to using fast servos. I can without a doubt tell the difference. I fly planes with fast servos and rearward C.G.s I also fly planes fast as well as slow. But you do have to realize that ths latency is before the servo. So whether the servo is fast or slow

RE: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting ...

2008-03-07 Thread TG Bean
I would expect a heli guy to be able to tell a difference. But to be honest, I think it all boils down to a quote from one of my favorite movies...Bull Durham. Crash Davis "If you believe you're flying well because you're getting laid, or because you're not getting laid, or because you wear

Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting ...

2008-03-07 Thread LJolly
I understand that some of you will have skepticism in regard to the increase in performance from the 2.4 Spread Spektrum Systems. The first time that I flew a my 9303X 2.4 system in a glider I got the feeling I was better connected to the glider. I did some high speed dives and pulled the ele

Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly "

2008-03-07 Thread Doug McLaren
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 05:32:34PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Okay I was waiting for this one. With a standard FM system, not even a |PCM System (which by the way is about the same as a 2.4 system...the |word 'digital' is sort of a hint there)...with a standard FM system the |

Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly "

2008-03-07 Thread Jack Iafret
I fly indoors with a couple of really hot heli guys. Guess what, the best of them and I think he is really good tells me there maybe a tad difference but he is not really sure, at any rate it will not matter for a newbe heli guy like me. BTW, really good to me is rolling circles one foot off of the

RE: [RCSE] Pizza Box goes 2.4??

2008-03-07 Thread John Hayes
Not going to get into whether they work or not, but I put my money down and purchased a set for my F brand and will fly it as soon as the snow is gone. I don't really care if all the claims for future function are true as long as I have solid control. They do have a offering for the Profi 4K

[RCSE] Pizza Box goes 2.4??

2008-03-07 Thread Bill Swingle
are there any plans for 2.4 and the MPX 4000, Yeah! Will the pizza Box get a 2.4 Module? Pretty please. Anybody? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe

RE: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we

2008-03-07 Thread denoferth
Lag time? This is starting to sound like the argument the “experts” spouted regarding muzzle breaks on firearms. Those esteamed gun scribes maintained the projectile, theoretically, was long gone before puny human reflexes could possibly detect any reduction in recoil. They were able to get awa

RE: [RCSE] 2.4 Query

2008-03-07 Thread mrmaserati
Jack, check with Jack Iafret as I think he has been keeping up to date with Profi 4K (2.4) things. Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Strother) > Does anyone know if there is any plans for 2.4 and the MPX 4000, > commonly kn

[RCSE] Ace RC service

2008-03-07 Thread Edwin Lightcap
Where can I get service on my Ace Digipace 3 Thanks EDG

RE: [RCSE] 2.4 Query

2008-03-07 Thread Jack Strother
Does anyone know if there is any plans for 2.4 and the MPX 4000, commonly known as the Pizza Box... seg !! -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: Daryl Perkins

RE: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?

2008-03-07 Thread Daryl Perkins
For those of you selling off your Stylus, or Styli (pl) due to 2.4, Airtronics will have a 2.4 module and receiver very soon. I can't nail them down to a date, as they're also working hard on our new 10 channel. XPS also sells a module for the Stylus, and I have been using it in my BumbleBee Supr

[RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?

2008-03-07 Thread Charlie
The big deal for me? Because of the huge surge to go with 2.4. There is a lot of discontent towards the old 72 MHz. And pilots are selling off the 72 stuff everywhere... I am enjoying the low! Low! Prices on Stylus radio's and radio accessories! I think it's all good! It's a win, win situation.

Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?

2008-03-07 Thread Albert E. Wedworth
Well said David! I totally agree with that! What we do is so amazing. Most folks don't get it. But I still wouldn't change what I'm using right now. If I was to buy a radio it would be a Graupner MC 12 or 24(JR). now, I would guess that could be 2.4.. I'd still have to see or hear of better re

Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? Ask Don Quixote"

2008-03-07 Thread Alberto
$229.95 for Airtronics RDS-8000, 8ch Tx, Rx and battery charger combo. >From now until March 10, 2008 Hobby Club will donate $50.00 from each of the sold systems to the US F3J Team attending the 2008 World Championships to be held in Turkey. Andby the way .the Rx antennas are 7-3/4" long