Re: [RCSE] Icon 2

2008-08-25 Thread David Webb
I was not aware that there was an Icon 2 poem contest. This is a good start. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Phil Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Icon 2 > I never have won a contest... > I never fly contests... > There is nothing that I wish to contest. > I fly for the pure fun of it

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2008-08-25 Thread Phil Townsend
Icon 2 I never have won a contest... I never fly contests... There is nothing that I wish to contest. I fly for the pure fun of it and nothing less. Good toys are very rare... and time is short... Icon2 Phil Santa Fe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe

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2007-12-20 Thread Richard Burnoski
, December 20, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and break the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn to launch

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2007-12-20 Thread Jeff Steifel
Spectra isn't a very good launcing line Dave. There is no give in it, and lots of planes would pop off. There is no energy that can be gained from it. Limit the power and put mono on. No more power problems. Just $$ problems. David Klein wrote: You guys really aren't looking at the international

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2007-12-20 Thread davidhauch
I guess everyone forgot how to use the FOOT PEDAL. As soon as you throw in a little wood trophy, everyone forgets. Learn to read your plane on launch. Dave Hauch www.rc-builds.com

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2007-12-20 Thread Joe Rodriguez
This thread is going ?? ,, RCSE is about American TD pilots buying and using F3J & F3X sailplanes flying American TD contests (3, 5, 7 tasks) and breaking American launch equipment. If they (RCSE Guys) want to maximize a American TD launch they should use a model designed for that task OR lear

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2007-12-20 Thread Rick Eckel
There is another solution for us CD's although it might initially reduce contest attendance. Add a "Unlimited to 130" (or whatever) wingspan" limit to your contest rules. If you want your contest to proceed with fewer line break interruptions, keep the battery power from dying at the end of t

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2007-12-20 Thread Darwin N. Barrie
age.com ; SC Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate fai

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2007-12-20 Thread Darwin N. Barrie
Who cares what is driving the size wars? F3J is a very miniscule part of the soaring scene is the US. Most of the people buy the Perfects, High Ends and the new Icons are buying them to compete in TD contests and not F3J. So the problem exists when they show up at a contest and the lines s

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2007-12-20 Thread chris
Why not just get rid of the pulley system and go to a single man tow? Or maybe, the pilot should run to launch the plane like a kite`while the plane is on autopilot??? Just creative suggestions! Chris > Original Message > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 > From: Mike

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2007-12-20 Thread Kurt Zimmerman
I got the perfect solution It appears that there will be a bunch of out-of-work professional baseball players who have bulked up on steroids.. They would be the ideal candidates to provide F3J hand tows... As of right now I don't know of any drug restrictions allowing the average hand-tower

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2007-12-20 Thread Mike Lachowski
Go to a weaker winch motor. If the winch motor can't break the line, then the motor stops turning. For anyone who has used a F3b winch, you know what happens. The F3b winch motors will only draw roughly 500 Amps stalled while a Ford winch will go to 1000 amps or more. Then you live with th

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2007-12-20 Thread David Klein
You guys really aren't looking at the international trends that are driving the size wars. These planes are designed as the ultimate F3J plane. In F3J, the launch power is as much as you can use, figuring you higher some offensive lineman to tow. If F3J were to switch to using F3b winches, the l

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2007-12-20 Thread tony estep
- Original Message From: Darwin N. Barrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant == I wonder about this too. The Pike Perfect is

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2007-12-20 Thread Wwing
In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure

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2007-12-20 Thread Joe Rodriguez
Airbus is sure having a tough time. smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com<mailto:soaring@airage.com> ; SC Johnson<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re

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2007-12-20 Thread Skip Richards
no pun intended... right? Darwin N. Barrie wrote: Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be

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2007-12-20 Thread Jeff Steifel
I like that idea of F3B winches. Wanna get a launch on steroids, try mono. The problem with "break the line you fly it", is that sometimes the line is the fault, not the pilot. But many of todays planes can easily break braided line if dialed in correctly, or if someone launches incorrectly (

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2007-12-20 Thread Mike Lachowski
Either say that you break the line, you fly it. Or everyone goes to F3b spec winches and everyone provides their own launching equipment. Darwin N. Barrie wrote: I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the c

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2007-12-20 Thread mrmaserati
> weight. > > Where do we draw the line? > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > - Original Message - > From: SC Johnson > To: soaring@airage.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM > Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 > > > OK all yo

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2007-12-20 Thread Darwin N. Barrie
e? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: SC Johnson To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion ab

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2007-12-19 Thread mark browning
Key word ILLEGAL NOT an immigrant > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:49:57 -0600 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 > CC: soaring@airage.com > > Well Craig there is a lot of information a

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2007-12-19 Thread S Meyer
Well Craig there is a lot of information and commentary in your message. If I care to comment. It's too bad for Don that he is in a state that is forcing illegal immigrants, (low paid), out of the state or the unlikely, back to the country they came from. If the US Government would get off th

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2007-12-18 Thread Craig Allen
Maybe Don will do like the European manufactures do and have a lower price for domestic sales and another higher price for export... Then maybe some of us working stiffs could afford an Icon2... Due to the low low low dollar, all of America is almost free for the taking (Dam Bush) !!! A

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2007-12-18 Thread lincolnr
Did they design a supply of football players to launch this thing in F3J? I imagine anyone less than 300 lbs is going to be lofted, with that kind of span.Just be sure to let go before you're 10 feet off the ground. someone wrote: >Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and

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2007-12-18 Thread Mark Drela
>Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. >Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio >F3J/Thermal >Duration plane has a wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 >friendly >pod and carbon boom. Just for the record, I rea

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2007-12-17 Thread SC Johnson
OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design