Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Thomas Helzle
Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial "Shave and a Haircut" for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Dan Yargici
Wow, he comes across as such an arsehole! I didn't realize he sued Disney for technology relating to Tangled also! http://patentexaminer.org/2011/10/disney-sued-for-infringing-virtual-hair-raising-patent/ "The Westlake Village resident claims Disney “reverse engineered” his technology, tweaking

Re: This is a growing problem in the VFX industry.

2012-04-29 Thread John Richard Sanchez
I am so glad they are going cage free! http://2dayinanimation.com/news/big-studios-promise-to-start-making-films-with-cage-free-animators/ On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Fabian Schnuer Gohde wrote: > By all accounts there would be many women along the European cost lines at > the time that had

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread peter_b
Somehow I dont think Disney could have managed Rapunzels hair with 14 points per guide hair, nor the crappy collisions© But try and explain that to a copyright attorney. I wonder how: long till he sues Softimage for ICE strands? From: Dan Yargici Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:14 PM To: softimag

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Juhani Karlsson
Ok, never knew he was that lame. 2012/4/29 > > Somehow I dont think Disney could have managed Rapunzels hair with 14 > points per guide hair, nor the crappy collisions© > But try and explain that to a copyright attorney. > > I wonder how: long till he sues Softimage for ICE strands? > > > >

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Eric Lampi
Sounds like he's within his rights to protect his property, and you're not going to beat a corporation like Disney by being Mr. Nice-guy. I think it's important to protect the small developer who's taken it to the point where they have a tool that people will pay for. Thiago, Helge, Holger, Eric M

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Stefan Kubicek
I remember a thread or post on the Splutterfish site a few years ago where they announced Shave and a Haircut integration into Brazil/RS, including some screenshots of the working tech with lots of instanced trees, among other things. A few months later they posted an update saying that they cou

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Bradley Gabe
Nobody likes when the big guy squashes the little guy (well, maybe the big guy does), and in cases where it's black and white we should all rally the flag and support the rights of those who need it. But there are more shades of gray to every story, and certainly to this one. If you knew more abou

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Steven Caron
he is certainly with in his rights to do so, but then one could argue the issues we have today with patents. joe's patent is actually causing other small developers grief. yeti by peregrine labs has chosen not to sell its product in the US. there are other plugins, ornatrix and hairfarm which are 3

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Dan Yargici
OK, I appreciate that, I was careful to say he comes across as an asshole, not that he is. I'm still undecided really. Still though... “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” ...sounds pretty trite if you ask m

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
Actually, and sadly, it will. When you consider the average customer, who definitely doesn't follow the CGI news as much as we might, nor would care about this if he did, and how few products there are for this specific problem (for maya it's shave, and yeti, and that's about it), every license of

Re: This is a growing problem in the VFX industry.

2012-04-29 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
Yes, having lived in Sweden, I can confirm on points 1 and 3. The skiing is kinda meh, but saddle-less bikes with 3 to 7 naked people piled on top are a rather common sight in Stockholm during summer. They might be during winter as well actually, but it's so F***ing dark all the time you don't see

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread takita
Yeah well I was coming from the "shave and yeti being apples and oranges except for the patent language part" angle for sure.  Though I would expect most people would probably take the hint and start looking seriously at Houdini or Soft, but maybe that is giving them too much credit.-T-Original

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Steven Caron
i believe it could be for the how hairs are filled between guides... http://goo.gl/qwnIX "Methods for defining smooth and continuous coordinate systems in a volume comprised of a lattice structure of guide columns..." he patented an essential part which is how we use guide hairs to control render

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Steven Caron
another article.. more recent. http://gametimeip.com/2012/03/01/of-the-patent-system-risk-taking-and-not-being-a-complete-puss-an-inventor-speaks-out/ s On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Steven Caron wrote: > i believe it could be for the how hairs are filled between guides... > http://goo.gl/

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Ed Manning
I'm sure Joe's intentions have been pretty good all along. Certainly Shave has in the past been one of very few tools that worked even a little bit well enough for production in this area, especially at a price that small shops could afford. However, I can say that he has made a number of people,

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
To be honest, I'm happy the Yeti guys are mentioning context and names. The patent crap too often goes on behind closed courtains, unless it's Apple and Google battling it out on a global scale, and people don't realise how hurtful and dated the system is. The fact that a "best obvious" solution i

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Ed Manning
All good points. One further thought (and again, I'm not out to defend Joe, his product, or his, uh, marketing style): I just read the article on the Disney suit. Now I'm no lawyer (do we have any on the list? would that be a good thing or not?) but I'm pretty sure that once he'd reached a settle

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Steven Caron
have you read their post? it says they came to an agreement. it sounds pretty civil to me. in my opinion it doesn't need to say that its joe's obligation to do so because of an earlier dispute with disney. and please dont blame him its just the law. s On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ed Manning

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Ed Manning wrote: > Now > I'm no lawyer (do we have any on the list? would that be a good thing or > not?) but I'm pretty sure that once he'd reached a settlement with Disney, > he *obligated* himself, under the hurtful and dated system (how right that > descripti

Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)

2012-04-29 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
For the record, no, you don't paint yourself into corners like that. A) a previous ruling that was settled and not appealed can't be reverted due to a following ruling. Precedents establish protocols, but nothing can be retroactive, or it'd be impossible to regulate anything. B) even if it was the

RE: Belly Wobble Ice

2012-04-29 Thread Sandy Sutherland
BTW Verlet is suprisingly simple - we are using it in our fur and feather system now. Cheers S. _ Sandy Sutherland Technical Supervisor sandy.sutherl...@triggerfish.co.za _ From: softimage-boun...@listp

Re: Belly Wobble Ice

2012-04-29 Thread Adam Sale
yes.. And fast.. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Sandy Sutherland < sandy.sutherl...@triggerfish.co.za> wrote: > BTW Verlet is suprisingly simple - we are using it in our fur and > feather system now. > > Cheers > > > S. > > _ > Sandy Sutherland > Technical Supervis