RE: Re: Abuse of 13D?

This project specifically references our Building Code and not Residential Code. The garage is a shared garage and is spelled out as a P-2 classification. I believe I've got this figured out. I'll post all my code references on Monday. ⁣John Irwin  DynaFire Inc.  Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 

Re: Abuse of 13D?

If Florida code is going to call a garage for a duplex an S2 occupancy, do you then have to design to OH1 and a 1-hour duration? And Bruce's question too? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter

RE: Re: Abuse of 13D?

Your code classifies duplexes as multi-family and the attached garages as parking structures? Methinks you’re applying the building code to a building that’s governed by the Residential Code. Or does Florida amend the IBC in that regard?Private garages that are accessible from the dwellin

CMSA / Tire Storage (part 2)

I think I've read just about every cut sheet for every sprinkler head in existence but can't seem to find a CMSA head that can be used for tire storage. Does anybody know if one even exist? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com Phone: 704

Re: Abuse of 13D?

Ken, your first point - yes, but on your second point, the closets don't have to be exterior - I'm referencing the first exemption 'closets in garages' and not the second 'closets on exterior balconies.' I think the point is that if you don't have to sprinkler garages then you likewise wouldn't spr

Re: Abuse of 13D?

Why R-2? Bruce > On Feb 9, 2018, at 12:22, John Irwin wrote: > > More information : > > Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. > The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage > and when enclosed (which this is) requires pro

Re: Abuse of 13D?

More information : Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage and when enclosed (which this is) requires protection. Additionally S occupencies located below any other type of occupied

Re: Abuse of 13D?

I'm not sure the reference to 8.3.8 would apply. First, John mentioned he was working with the 2010 edition of 13D. That edition doesn't contain this language. Second, if John were working with the '16 edition then 8.3.8 would not apply in my opinion as the "storage areas" are not exterior, a

Re: Abuse of 13D?

John, why don't we take this in pieces to see how it shakes out. * "This is the garage level of a two family home." o By the title of the standard, "Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems in One- and Two- Family Dwellings and Manufactured Homes" it would seem at fi

Re: Abuse of 13D?

If it's a 13D system then: 13D 8.3.8Sprinklers shall not be required in closets in garages and exterior closets (regardless of size) located on exterior balconies, exterior breezeways/corridors, or accessed from outdoors where the closet does not have doors or unprotected penetrations directly

Re: Church Steeple

Wow. You have a bonfire, smokestack and a high-rise all rolled into one. Presumably, because this seems from the description to be almost an all wood structure (I cannot imagine how an all wood structure could transfer the 80’ overturn moment at a 25’ square base.), you have sprinklers underneat

RE: Abuse of 13D?

I’m referencing the 2013 Edition of 13D. 1.2.2 A sprinkler system shall be designed and installed in accordance with this standard to prevent flashover (total involvement) in the room of the fire origin, where sprinklered, and to improve the chance for occupants to escape or be evacuated.

RE: Abuse of 13D?

This is pretty cut and dry here in Nor Cal. We have to sprinkler garages for most of our homes due to local AHJ requirements. 😊 Even if you sprinkler the garage, still seems like 13D to me. Paul B. Cetani Exec. Vice President Nor Cal Fire, Inc. 16840 Joleen Way, Bldg A Morgan Hill, CA 95037 T 40

Abuse of 13D?

Capture Ok someone help me make an argument that this is not a 13D installation. This is the garage level of a two family home. However, the units are stacked on top of each other. Both units share a single lead-in (also shared with domestic). 13D 2010 is pretty clear that garages are not sprinkle

RE: CMSA / Tire Storage

Never mind folks Book says CMDA but I was reading CMSA Thanks Travis! Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com From: Brian Harris Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:43 AM To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org' Subject: CMSA / Tire Storage Any c

CMSA / Tire Storage

Any chance table 18.4(a) (NFPA-13 2013) is labeled wrong? Reading 18.4 (1) says that table is for standard spray sprinklers but the table itself is labeled for CMSA ? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1