Here are the results from the 2005 Diamondhead International Small Scale Steamup
Draw Bar Pull. As in the past two years the Bruce Gathman designed measuring
device was used in the event. Twenty-one locomotives and one dog competed in
the competition. Use the results for comparison between
Andre',
I've seen no reason to use it on the three cylinder. And the design is totally
different.
Bruce
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:28:01 +, Andre' Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Bruce,
I'll assume the Spitinator will also work on the 3 cylinder Shay?
If so please email me more info
a distance from the actual pump ram ? Not far, just maybe 1
away. I could then duct the input and output water to a site more
tolerant of vertical check valves.
My Aster Shay has a pump in the tender and the check valve
is just behind the smoke box. This is several inches of
run.
royce in SB
Bruce
Shay Days Steamup and Historical Programs are fast
approaching. Below is a schedule of events planned for all
who are steamers. If you don't have a live steam geared
locomotive there are many interesting programs and events
scheduled for the entire weekend. Inquiries should be sent
to Bruce
Let's not forget the unforgettable Hyde Out Mountain Shay
that was built in the US by Jerry Hyde.
B Gathman
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Only ONE climbed a 70% grade - the winner of course.
BG
On Thu, 20 May 2004 17:45:20 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Did I read that right -- those shays climbed a 70% grade?
Jim Crabb
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Mike,
Only preparation is get up lots of steam as you will be
pulling very hard for several feet and cleaning off any oil
from the wheels. Depending on where the steam is tapped
from the boiler will determine water level. Usually the 2
cylinders are run up backwards to allow steam pickup with
%
3. Bruce Gathman Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 56.58%
4. Al Bowyer Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 37.39%
5. Noel Crawford Catatonk Shay 26.79%
6. Tim Hytrek Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 20%approx no
full climb
7. Bill Kay McHale BAGRS 0% wheels would not touch
rails due
registration has expired. Does anyone know if
the SitG
articles are archived somewhere else?
They'd be archived in back issues of the magazine.
Available from Steam in the Garden directly or on ebay
sometimes.
Bruce Gathman
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Vance,
You don't have enough rear to have a sagging problem!
Bruce
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:30:15 -0700, Vance Bass
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Patrick, I looked in the mirror this morning and noticed that my rear is sagging,
too. If
you find a fix for this, please post. :-)
-vance-
This is
you won't be sorry you did.
Bruce Gathman
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The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling
Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at
Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004.
The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce
Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and
measures in ounces
The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling
Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at
Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004.
The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce
Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and
measures in ounces
Happy boxing day or whatever!
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:15:16 -, mart.towers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Art Walker
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Since you already have the locomotive. Photographs may be
of more help than plans for adding detail.
Bruce Gathman
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:29:11 -0800, Bob Magill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello All
Planning some detail work on my Accucraft K-27 and am looking for a source
of quality scale
. Shipping to anywhere in the US is $5.00
per order. Shipping elsewhere or other video formats please
write for information.
All of the proceeds goes to Erv's widow Pat.
Thanks, Bruce Gathman
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Keith,
Take a look at the new Accucraft 2-6-0 announced in print
ads. They've already made the chassis and a locomotive to
go with it.
Bruce Gathman
for you on Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:58:01 -0400, Keith Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bob!
Nice picture of your chassis! Just looking, what
Arthur,
Shay Days is only about 11 months away. Better get hopping!
You can be the second to attend from GB.
Bruce Gathman
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:39 +0100, mart.towers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter McCabe re-engined a Steamlines Shay by using drawings scaled from Kozo
Hiraoka's book
Alan Walker. Is he your cousin or something like that?
Bruce
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:29:02 +0100, mart.towers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More concerned that a visit to Ernie Co is only 3 days away.
Who was Brit #1??
Art
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED
Robb,
Nobody ever heard of a speedy Shay!? How's the project
coming along?
Will you be able to make it to the Midwest in a couple of
weeks to display your progress. The Shay should be just
about complete as it was a long COLD winter in Michigan.
Bruce G.
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:31:09 -0400,
or not you had run out of the personally imported
stuff.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:53:27 -0500, Peter Foley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:41 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
It was on the table directly across from the registration
table or towards to front door from the drawbar pulling
table.
Which
Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
convention.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:18:09 -0500, Jeff Runge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary, the focus group was CURRENT ASTER OWNERS, so you are saying you think
aster customers are unemployed ? I doubt it, retired, I hope I'm buying
20k engines
not
returning a deposit Erv had placed before he died.
Bruce
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:43:46 -0500, Peter Foley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
convention.
Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all. If my
by the sign up desk.
Mike Eorgoff
- Original Message -
From: Peter Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Surveys Fuel
At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
Accucraft asked the market
Jeffery is the Giraffe from Toys Are US - right?
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:37:58 -0800, Geoff Spenceley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well said, Tony,
Toot toot to Jeffrey--why, he even spells his name wrong! Tch, Tch!!
However I wish we had a train up here--even if it was a K27 with JEFFREY as
the
2003.
Bruce Gathman
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:34:36 -0600, Trent Dowler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary,
Although your problem is now solved, have you considered trying the
firebrick wicks that was discussed on this list a while back? At the very least,
they're a lot of fun to experiment
Bob,
I would say that the summer steamup management will need to
handle this. I'd be glad to come with the equipment if they
want to pay my way!
Bruce Gathman
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:52:10 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will you bring the drawbar to the summer steamup in Sac?
Bob
The links
Gary,
The only friction adhancer allowed was good old chalk.
Bruce Gathman
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:43:59 -0800, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Good grief! Did the loco have amber rubbed on the drive wheel rims?
I would expect a rack loco to perform that well. But a simple traction loco
Everyone,
There really are no rules. Like I said it amazes me that no
one has tried anything trick yet to my knowledge. At St.
Louis we have a hill climb event just asking for someone to
make modifications. Of course the record climb was 46%
grade by John Garrett's DJB Climax. Now I know John
Phil,
My entry was correct - 46%. It totally threw me too. The
only adhesion improver allowed was chalking the rails. I
had devised a track that could be elevated to 22.5% grade
and we had to stack boxes etc under one end and calculate
the grade manually. The high end was barely reachable from
, were there any Butt Paste cars that were notable? Thanks in
advance.
Later,
Trent
Bruce Gathman wrote:
My entry was correct - 46%. It totally threw me too.
of actually pulling and then
comparing it to other models of similar configuration.
Bruce Gathman
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and has cost them a
whole lot more than the $60 I invested in 1958.
Bruce Gathman
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Bruce G. Gathman, President
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
packet? USA translation Please.
Weetabix - a kind of dessicated, compressed, wheat grain residue, sold in
briquette form.
In comparison, the southern US 'grits' are a sophisticated highly
palatable breakfast cereal.
Art Walker
Is this held in place with Vegamite?
Bruce Gathman
a 4 jaw and 3 jaw and many accesories. It was the deal of
the century!
Bob
Would you become my personal shopper. You seem to be
getting good deals all the time. I am looking for an Aster
Big Boy or Allegheny at Ruby prices.
Bruce Gathman
Dave,
Just remember that two months clean-up time is in
Mississippi time not the rest of the world's time.
That's why newcomers are told to bring their own repair
tools if they want a room that is fully functional.
Bruce
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:39:28 -0700, you wrote:
Dave Cole wrote:
the
receiver. The locations have been carefully picked-out by Bruce
Gathman, Shay Historian, Charles Conn and Jon Phillips. An overall picture of
the railroad's fifty plus miles of trackage, some of Shay's more notable
endeavors in the area, and other historical logging and railroad spots
Harry,
You must have a Southern spell checker - as my Northern version would not pass -
woist.
Bruce
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:59:28 -0500, you wrote:
At 03:43 PM 6/12/02 -0400, you wrote:
I am in the process of scratch building a locomotive. And am looking
for input about the likes/dislikes
, and
presumably finished (most of) the combustion just as Kevin's layers of mesh
would.
Now, who was that? I'd like to give him proper credit, as well as keep in
touch with him about further refinements.
regards,
-vance-
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees
Make sure you get the stainless steel ladder chain as the fire on Marc's engine
was also heating the chain as well as the boiler.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:12:19 -0800, you wrote:
The current issue of Steam in the Garden has a wonderful article on a
Denver loco created by the Denver Garden Railway
This is the same pump that John Garret used in an auxiliary car to supply his
Aster Mikado. It had three speeds if I remember correctly. It fed from a tank
about 1 qt in size.
Bruce Gathman
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:58:05 EST, you wrote:
I was browsing the Regner steam engine list on the MBV
locomotives but particularly Shay locomotives!
For those of you wishing to participate in the steam up for the weekend
please contact Bruce Gathman at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 231-526-0174, for
further information about Shay Days and Harbor Springs and help making
arrangements for your
locomotives but particularly Shay locomotives!
For those of you wishing to participate in the steam up for the weekend
please contact Bruce Gathman at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 231-526-0174, for
further information about Shay Days and Harbor Springs and help making
arrangements for your
year was my first year, Trent. I wasn't there an hour before I
reserved my room for this year. I can't wait! Maybe I will buy my first
steamer this year. Then again, maybe I will just race Carl's Climax at
midnight again. Cheers!
Jess
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co
Geoff,
Maybe she wasn't interested in you. She took a liking to Carl Malone though.
Bruce
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:03:27 -0800, you wrote:
Bruce,
Yep, I was awake, but I think the Bud gal was exhausted and asleep!
Geoff.
It happened after 8 pm one night. Were you still awake. That was
Geoff,
It happened after 8 pm one night. Were you still awake. That was eastern time
not pacific.
Bruce
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:10:05 -0800, you wrote:
Vance, How could I have missed that event, Agh, those Bud Dames!! right
Bruce?? Geoff.
So, you want The Rest of the Story on the loose
Walt,
The magnet must do wonders for your credit cards.
Bruce
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:10:00 EST, you wrote:
HI,
I carry a piece of one of those refrigerator magnets in my wallet. Home Depot
once had what I thought was brass tubing but the magnet stuck to it like
glue. Plated Steel is not the
Geoff,
Save the beat for the Budweiser Girls at Diamondhead. You will make their day!
Hope you can duplicate it.
Bruce
On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:00:46 -0800, you wrote:
OK OK. Larry!!--et al,
So, you want The Rest of the Story on the loose screw? The King,
pulling a rake of Finescale GWR
being
used - butt we may hit them up for sponsorship if things go well for next year.
Later,
Trent
Bruce Gathman wrote:
And you should see what we did to Ernie's caboose last weekend. You'll get to
see it at DH in the Butt Paste train everyone is building. The Butt Paste
Band also practiced
being
used - butt we may hit them up for sponsorship if things go well for next year.
Later,
Trent
Bruce Gathman wrote:
And you should see what we did to Ernie's caboose last weekend. You'll get to
see it at DH in the Butt Paste train everyone is building. The Butt Paste
Band also practiced
Saw Ernie's Brazil last weekend and it's about up to floor level, i.e., the
running gear is about finished. It certainly DOES require some machining
abilities. BUT, if Ernie can build it anyone can! :)
Bruce
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:04:19 +0100, you wrote:
I know for sure that Ernie Noa is
You didn't send the note to Tony you sent it to the WHOLE group!
On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:30:36 -0400, you wrote:
Oops, apparently I've sent that note to the wrong Tony. I did get the
following note and thought I responded to it. Sorry for the confusion.
Jim
Nice one Jim,
Check is
Drawbar Pulling Contest
Tom Reinhardt BR963.53 pounds
Bill Payne Aster Climax3.36 pounds
Tom Joslyn SRRL #243.27 pounds
John GarrettDJB Climax 2.13 pounds
Bruce Gathman Sammie 1.84 pounds
Ernie Noa
pounds
Tom Joslyn SRRL #243.27 pounds
John Garrett DJB Climax 2.13 pounds
Bruce Gathman Sammie 1.84 pounds
Ernie Noa Iver1.75 pounds
Larry Herget Dunkirk 1.54 pounds
Terry Griner
Harry,
But I thought that this was an Aster Climax not a scratch built model???
Bruce
On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:59:51 -0500, you wrote:
At 08:35 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote:
Trent and Harry,
I don't recall who had the Climax with the modified valve gear.
Robb DeVries
All,
I found out a
Harry,
Do you mean the Class A that won the hill clime. If so that was John Garrett
and it was a DJB kit. I don't recall seeing a scratch Climax there - but I
might have missed it as I was pretty busy with business (monkey of course).
Bruce Gathman
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:44:59 -0500, you
Terry,
You are most welcome to post any photos on the Small Scale Steam Models site
(which you have joined) anytime. This is one of the reasons I started it.
Larry banned super soakers for the Powder Puff steamup in June. I think he must
be loosing his sense of humor. Enjoyed your
youth?
All the other bells are much younger -- BO presidential Pacific, NYC Hudson,
SP Daylight (inaugural run of San Joaquin(sp?) limited, and 1920's Prairie
from here in FL, plus the EMD bells.
Kind of makes your day sort of thing.
Keep your steam up!
Walt Lunk
Bruce Gathman, President
on the UK company Cheddar models. They have a picture which
shows a newly designed G gauge Loco it is a 0-4-0 configuration with
oscillating cylinders and a diamond stack. The article said it was now
coming into production.
Sincerely
Steve Ciambrone
Sr. Test Engineer
L-3 Ocean Systems
Bruce
source - I am assuming that the butane refills Home Depot sells is
the
same as required by the Accucraft Ruby loco. They sell for 6.00 a canister in ON
Canada. (4.00US)
Isn't it PROPANE refills that are sold at Home Depot?
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees
-0500, you wrote:
The refills at Home Depot are both propane and the butane style - ( lighter )
Micro welding torch (refill) -
BenzOmatic Butane 2.1 oz priced at 6.00 can or 4.00 US
DOT 2Q. Made in the USA.
They seem to always have tons in stock.
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber
Art,
My best guess would be for better visibility of the engineer, as we call them,
for making a reverse move. It was definitely not terminally boring to those in
the group and everyone going to Diamondhead should make the trek.
Bruce Gathman
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:06:41 EST, you wrote:
Have
Or you can go to IP Engineering also.
Bruce
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:22:27 -0700, you wrote:
Cheddar is the (original) maker of the ceramic burners for the Jane. I'm
pretty sure that Sulphur Springs carries them.
-vance-
"Another day goes by in the time machine.
I've been breaking my brain
The calendar function on egroups small_scale_steam_models email group list
functions that sponsors have felt compelled to list. If you're running an event
and would like to put it on a central calendar feel free to do so.
Bruce
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:55:37 EST, you wrote:
Is there a web site
had some OJT -- one
all-day Saturday with Charlie.
The HF has even occasionally been on sale at $329 -- and if you buy it from
Internet there is no tax and no freight!
-- ** and I have no financial interestblah, blah, blah!
Jim Crabb
Seabrook (Houston), Texas
Bruce Gathman, President
Dave,
It appears you haven't been to or used egroups. The only advertising is a
couple of lines on each message. Most users automatically skip that area of the
message from my personal experience. We are not talking about a web site we are
talking about a email group. And once a member sends
I,ve uploaded a photo of what happens to your boiler when not properly attended
to.
http://www.egroups.com/files/small_scale_steam_models/Locomotives/Boiler+Explosion.jpg
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:11:45 -0600, you wrote:
Like so many others on the list, I too have heard the "urban legend"
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:09:04 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 00-12-07 07:51:38 EST, you write:
I,ve uploaded a photo of what happens to your boiler when not properly
attended
to.
http://www.egroups.com/files/small_scale_steam_models/Locomotives/Boiler+Explo
sion.jpg
Well I tried
Try this one for brazing:
http://www.handyharmancanada.com/TheBrazingBook/bbook.htm
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:15:04 -0500, you wrote:
Is there any websites on the net about silver soldering boilers??
Dougk
- Original Message -
From: VR Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:43:57 EST, P Thornton wrote:
In a message dated 12/2/00 3:01:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes this site has become very much "Ruby" oriented
Wait until Accucraft starts shipping the C-16 live steamer - bet there'll be
lots of questions about
Better yet let's make a CD! We could listen to all our friends all year long.
On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:20:06 -0600, you wrote:
Scott,
I know that the Clack Valves Cornets Steam Band is in DH for the steamup more
than the band,
but some of us can't make it to DH that early in the week. Any
/boiler2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/boiler3.jpg
The moral of the story is to complete each part before you assemble!
Bob Starr
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
places that I know of that stock and display these
parts..Anyone have any influence along these
lines??
regards,
-vance-
Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber
Is the time period for Diamondhead availble for my exclusive
use?
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:56:38 -0500, you wrote:
Given the proposed price tag on the Aster Allegheny I suggest we form an
investment club to purchase one. We could get 12 people each to invest
$1,500. Each investor would then have
wler wrote:
Anybody seen CO2 cartridges or similar items used for motive power? My
thoughts are running wild!
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
WALT,
Can you explain how you can have a turnout without a
frog or some sort of points.
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:19:41 EDT, you wrote:
The portable track I had at DH for a few years had 10' radius turnouts.
However, they did not have a frog or points, so that may have been the
Those folks that I have seen lately prefer the Wada Suction
Fan as it is all in one piece. Batteries are mounted on top
of the fan unit and seems to work reliably..
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:39:28 -0400, you wrote:
Wayne:
Your local Aster dealer sells them or you can cobble something together
up a grade. ... as I want to put a tender behind her ...
That hasn't been my experience at all. In fact, I regularly pull a heavy
metal tender (maxitrack) and a couple of cars (all four axle)...but now as I
speak the grade is minimal...less than 1%.
Jim Crabb
Seabrook
Bruce Gathman
--- Bruce Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Several of us were pulling eight car trains,
Bachmann cars
with metal wheels, this past weekend with our Ruby's
at
Larry Hergets. Mine has a low serial number and the
other
loco was brand new and around the 600 serial number
range.
The new loco ran
the rivit head just below the top
curvature of the head.
As always technical questions seem to have an answer from
"Tech. Ed." Vance.
regards,
-vance-
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
input.
Bob
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Does anyone know what hardness the brass from KS is? I
need something softer to emboss rivets into. Is there a way
to soften the KS brass - like in the oven for a period and
cooling etc?
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
to participate in the steamup for
the weekend please contact Bruce Gathman, alias
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , 231.526.0174, for further information
and so arrangements can be made for accommodations with
local families if you desire. Yes we know it is a long way
off the beaten path to come to Harbor Springs bu
I want to do the burning shoelace
trick.
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Does anyone know of a good source to purchase ladde chain
and sprockets?
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber Mining Co.
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
locomotive. It is such a pleasure when a
project finally completes itself and runs just the way you want it. Pulled
four cars over the now existing 4% grades!
http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/mvc-018s.jpg
Bob Starr
Eldorado Timber and Mining Company
"Tall Trees and Deep Shafts&quo
open the file?
Lloyd F.
Eldorado Timber and Mining Company
"Tall Trees and Deep Shafts"
Bruce Gathman, General Manager
Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740-9702
"Tall Trees and Deep Shafts"
Bruce Gathman, General Manager
Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740-9702
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