Thanks ,Tony,
However the running of the F.S may interfere with viewing the shays! The
Bay Area Steamup seems to be a good time--is it going to be in Sacramento??
Geoff
Hi Geoff,
>In view of the 300 mile trip. And I think these Railroads my be closed
>already for the winter season. However
Hi Geoff,
In view of the 300 mile trip. And I think these Railroads my be closed
already for the winter season. However, next summer, you could make a
vacation out of visiting these working Shays, or at the Bay Area live
Steamup at Sacremento in July 2003. And you are welcome to use my place
Hello Gary, did you win the auction for the one on E Bay a couple of weeks
back? It looked like it was in excellent shape. Keep us posted on how it
turns out. Steve S.
At 03:14 PM 12/10/02 -0800, you wrote:
Shays are my favorite as well. I am so excited about the arrival of my Aster
Alisan S
Shays are my favorite as well. I am so excited about the arrival of my Aster
Alisan Shay. I have wanted one for fifteen years at least. Has anyone put
R/C in an Alisan Shay?
Gary - wet and cold after cutting a Grand Fir in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.websho
John,
Thanks for the info on your railroad (railway)! it would work here in the
woods very well! They all love shays up here too--
Geoff.
At last an intertesting comment. Oh yes the fishing is excellent. Large
>ones, small ones and some..
>Starting to sound like a song from many
Tony lad,
Yes, but in Northern northern northern Ca, we are about 300 miles north of
any of those spots. We have no geared locos that operate except at Fort
Humboldt. I did "drive" a heisler in a restricted Simpson yard. --about
100ft as that was the only available track--there were no brakes.
You guys are putting the a-ccent on the wrong syll-able!
Jim wrote:-
> Point of curiosity in this distinctly curious thread If David likes
> "antipodes" - what is the oposite or converse of an "Antipode" - a "Pode"?
To those who live "down under", surely the "Old Country" represents the
antipodes?
Mike (whose great great uncle nearly became a POM,
Point of curiosity in this distinctly curious thread If David likes
"antipodes" - what is the oposite or converse of an "Antipode" - a "Pode"?
Jim Gregg in Western Oz, or alternately Western Podes.
If I'm there it cannot be an antipode for me can it?
At 05:55 PM 12/9/02 -0800, you wrote:
At
: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Steam oil
> Please enlighten me. What is Fn3?
> Phil
>
> > At last an intertesting comment. Oh yes the fishing is excellent. Large
> > ones, small ones and some..
> > Starting to sound like a song from many yea
Please enlighten me. What is Fn3?
Phil
> At last an intertesting comment. Oh yes the fishing is excellent. Large
> ones, small ones and some..
> Starting to sound like a song from many years ago.
> OK Elk River & Cheat Mountain RR. It started in HO as the first brass
loco I
> bought
Gary - chilling in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthorNever heard this term...OK!
Let us in on what it means and what led to Australia being nicked
"antipodes". I can not imagine!
: on this list, only people from australia can
call it
Hi Geoffrey,
Is there a problem finding 1;1 working Shays and other
narrow gauge/gage logging engines in mid California?.
I know of at least three working operational narrow gauge Shays, within
"easy" travelling distance of the Bay Area. All of which run to daily
summer schedules. (Not ju
General Manager
Elk River & Cheat Mountain Railroad
- Original Message -
From: "Geoff Spenceley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Steam oil
&
Dave wrote:
>but doesn't the northern counties logging interpretive association
>have an engine that is run at fort humboldt? i can't find a specific
>reference to a specific engine, but it appears that in may through
>september, the group had something it called "steam-ups" where "train
>rides wi
At 4:55 PM -0800 12/9/02, Geoff Spenceley wrote:
Let this be the finish--right Dave??
right. allow me to say: on this list, only people from australia can
call it "oz." all others must use the term "antipodes" (which i've
always loved).
My local steam friends run all NG stuff--including shay
John,
Seems you opened a "can of worms"! Is there good fishing around your
region,--we could go fishing together. There is a good finish to
everything!--Let this be the finish--right Dave??
I love the name of your RR. We have an Elk river up here in the N.W
California forests--and everyone cheat
I learned the term "OZ" from my Australian friends.
Geoff.
>At 07:07 PM 12/9/02 +1100, you wrote:
>>please don't refer to Australia as Oz.
>
>John,
> I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten years
>which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly an
> I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten
years
> which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly
and
> invariably refer to their location as Oz, I think more as an expedient
> acronym as anything else, and none of them have ever mentioned that it
My Best,
Chuck
Charles W. Walters
Twin Lakes Railway CEO
http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
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Behalf Of Harry Wade
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re: Steam oil
At 07:07 PM 12/9/02 +1100, you wrote:
>please don't refer to Australia as Oz.
John,
I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten years
which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly and
invariably refer to their location as Oz, I think more as an expe
On 9/12/02 8:07, "John Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tag, please don't refer to Australia as Oz. This crude reference was
> used/made up by some uneducated Melbournians in the 1970's and as far as I'm
> concerned the letters OZ are the radio Call letters or aircraft prefix for
> Denmark
TECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Steam oil
> On 8/12/02 22:34, "John Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Many thanks for all of the replies that I received re the steam oil
question.
> > I live in "God's Country" Aust
On 8/12/02 22:34, "John Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Many thanks for all of the replies that I received re the steam oil question.
> I live in "God's Country" Australia. On the east coast about 80 miles south
> of Sydney in a town called Dapto, whis is about 7 miles (12Km) south of
> Wollo
teve speck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Steam oil
> Hello, why not just use the oil that Round House supplies for their
> engines? You can get it from any Round Hous
Hello, why not just use the oil that Round House supplies for their
engines? You can get it from any Round House dealer. I use it in my
#24 and also my Mikado. Seems to work fine for me. Good luck, Steve S.
At 09:24 AM 12/8/02 -0600, you wrote:
At 11:15 PM 12/8/02 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Al
At 11:15 PM 12/8/02 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>I've been using some #460 steam oil that I acquired but it is just about
>finished. I have access to #600 steam oil but I think that that might be a
>little too heavey for my Roundhouse SR&RL #24 loco. Comments please.
John,
Stay with the 460.
Hi John
If you are in Canada petro can sells a 460 steam oil that has all the
properties required. Last year when a survey was done in the group
with what the best steam oil would be -I forwarded the requirements to
my
local dealer and he was able to produce a direct match. Cost me
40.00cnd for
Hi,
The proximity of the steam oil reservoir to the boiler, and the general heat
of the locomotive should make 600 acceptable from a temperature standpoint.
I've been using it for over 12 years and have had no problems. Be sure the
oil contains lard or "animal tallow". Usually 5% on most good st
The 380 to 460 steam oil is fine for all hobby scales. Gauge 1 to 1 1/2" .
Like all oils when it gets colder the oil gets stiffer.
Phil
Subject: Steam oil
> Hi All, I wonder what steam oil is being used in Gauge #1 and Gauge #0
loco's.
> I've been using some #460 steam oil that I acquired but i
I have had good luck with the steam oil supplied by Roundhouse in both
my SR #24 and Aster Mikado. I like that it is thinner, it seems to me
that this would work better in our small engines.
Steve Speck
At 07:06 AM 11/30/2001 -0
I am interested in this thread too. I have seen that there are as many
different types of steam oil as there are locomotives. One bottle I have
from St. Aubin Station is really low viscosity and sort of a light caramel
color and makes incredible smoke clouds out of the stack on my engine (!)
Ano
At 01:25 PM 11/29/01 -0800, you wrote:
>But when I opened the container I had just bought, it was black as coal
and >had a strong odor.
Steve,
If it has an acrid, almost sour smell you may have been given hypoid
gear oil. Often this looks black or greenish-black like steam oil but it
smells
Those of the list,
Stretch at C&OC has selling steam oil here on the West coast for a year or
two. I beleave he gets it in 1 gallon containers. Might be worth a call to
see if he will decant a quart or such for you which should lasy a long time.
I know Mc Master Carr ( you need a com. account) h
hotos of this ballasted deck girder bridge
>and pond.
>Gary of Eugene, OR
>
>
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>From: "Peter Jobusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, May
I personally would love to see photos of this ballasted deck girder bridge
and pond.
Gary of Eugene, OR
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From: "Peter Jobusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16,
Paul, a portion of the BSRR rings an 8 foot pond with
Koi. Fish are approx 10 years old, railroad 9 and
live steam 4, all with no co-habitation problems. I
do not run weekly, more likely once or twice a month
all year long.
mike
--- Paul Gamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am in the stages of
Paul, a portion of the BSRR rings an 8 foot pond with
Koi. Fish are approx 10 years old, railroad 9 and
live steam 4, all with no co-habitation problems. I
do not run weekly, more likely once or twice a month
all year long.
mike
--- Paul Gamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am in the stages of
Our East Serendipity Railway crosses Walled In Pond on a scratch built
ballasted deck girder bridge about 62 feet long. The pond is relatively
small (about 800 gallons). The trains are all live steam. No serious
polution problems in the seven years we've been running over the pond and
through t
If you don't have run-off into the pond and there is no bridge going over
the water there is no way for the oil to contaminate the pond. Even if it
did get in there, I don't know how much steam oil it would take to do any
damage. I guess it depends on how much water you have, and how big the fis
Paul,
There is a steamer here who has SMALL pond with koi and a truss bridge
crossing it which has been in place for a number a number of years.
Sometimes a drop of oil or two lands in the pond. (pretty colors!) Despite
the small size of the pond, he has experienced no casualties with his koi.
At 12:32 PM 5/16/01 -0700, you wrote:
>my question is have you noticed any problems from steam oil
>contamination of the pond and if it was a problem for the fish .
>Paul
They'll get no sympathy here. A good dose of steam oil is paltry
repayment, considering how much cod liver oil I had to ta
Does your pond catch run-off? Mine does not catch any runoff due to a rock
hidden lip around it. Do you have any bridges that traverse the water area?
If the answer is no to both questions I would not worry at all.
My steamer runs right by my pond, but I am the only steamer for hundreds of
miles, so only one ever goes by. I can't see it being a problem.
Jerry
Walt-is it possible that Mr. Lunkenheimer may have left your much looked for
soft stool alongside the tracks? You may locate it by the simple expedient
of wearing waffle sole shoes your next time out.Cheers, Eric
> they really are not going to deliver the soft stool they promised
And you said that I was gross.
Later,
Trent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> One of the side benefits of using mineral oil, they promise you on the
> bottles that
> "6 to 8 hours after using the mineral oil, you will have a soft stool." :>) I
> wonder how they can deliver that new stool to me so qu
Hi Mike,
Thanks for concise breakdown of oily fats, (sorry, facts).
I understand and agree entirely.
The confusion is caused by the various molasses used by the
large scale real men engine fraternity, being mistakenly allowed
to dribble down to
Hey Tony,
Firstly enjoyed you steamup pictures as many others did--Lurve that
Britannia--even if it is 10mm. Thanks for sharing.
As for steam oil--wot works-works! I use that 1/1 stuff given to me
which is not thick and dark and it works well for me. I'll have to try
those molassess sometim
Tony D. wrote:
> I respect Mike Chaney,s opinion and expertise, but I
am
> not convinced that "thicker is necessarily better".
Did I say that?
Thank you for the compliment, Tony, but I have to make it clear that I'm not
a trained tribologist. My understanding, howeve
Jim,
I'll use single malt Scotch, after the second one I won't be able to see it
-- easier on the nerves.
Keep your steam up!
Walt
"What oil will you use in
your new Allegheny"?!!!
The only lubrication associated with mine will be the gin I consume as I
look on in envy!
Jim
Hi Geoffrey,
I have had
similar problems. Since getting into G1 steamers, I have been
using a stock of lighter grade steam oil (similar to 40
weight car oil). in my engines. This oil was given to me by
Maxwell Hemmens, who built steam engines and
>
Thanks Mike and Peter ,
Foley wrote:-
>
>> Steam oil comes in a variety of weights, just like motor oil. The lighter
>> stuff is best in small, light weight engines.
>
>True - but one also need to take account of the amount of superheat. Small
>locos, either saturated or with a "steam drier
Jim Ewins (a great experimenter) ran a 5" gauge modified "Minx" loco with
max. superheat (the writeup is in one of Martin Evans books) and
instrumented it on test.
He found that despite all the superheat, the actual cylinder metal
temperature was no more than boilerwater temperature.
I have used o
Vance,
Curious- What is your minimum track radius on your layout. I assume the
Ruby has no problem. Do you have long coaches etc.
Harley
I'm not sure how the price of ISO 600 would compare to ISO 460, but I'd
rather use the 600 recommended by the people at the oil manufacturers.
Walt
Walt and others,
Last years Mc Master Carr catalog listed steam oil at $43.18 for 5 gal. ISO grade 460
GaryB
On Mon, 1 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Mr. Kaiser,
> Please tell me where I can get 5 gallons delivered for under $16.00 -- the
> cost of a few (two) quarts retail.
Try your Yellow Pages. I got mine from Farm Petrolium in Hadley, MA. I
paid their driver $24, cost of a few (three) qu
Mr. Kaiser,
Please tell me where I can get 5 gallons delivered for under $16.00 -- the
cost of a few (two) quarts retail.
Thanks,
Walt
On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Currently I use the steam oil sold by Sulphur Springs. Short of buying a 55
> gallon drum from Chevron are there other suppliers of steam oil in small
> quantities (one quart) in the U.S.?
It's a lot cheaper to buy 55 gallons at a time, but yo
If anyone on the list is interested, here's the reply that I received from John
Foskett at Jensen concerning steam oil. Sounds as though you had better be very
specific about needing steam oil if you order from them.
Obviously, his reference to most small steam engines not using cylinder
lubri
In a message dated 4/29/2000 5:55:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> There has been a lot of discussion lately about steam oil. I was curious as
> to where everyone gets there oil
I get my steam oil from the large scale club that I belong to. It is the
dark stuff (which
Cole's Power Model catalogue has a mechanical lubricator such as Keith talks
about. It's driven off the crosshead by a short connecting rod. I've seen
them on 2.5" gauge engines and they're not very attractive. On the bigger
engines they can by hidden/disguised.
Jim
I have a friend (I do?) locally who scratch builds 1/2" and 3/4" scale
locos. On one 1/2" scale loco he designed and built a single cyl ram type
lubricator. Steam pressure to the cylinder would move the piston forward
forcing the steam oil into the cylinder inlets. It worked very well-too
well!
Wanted to add this to my mesage a few minutes ago.
I don't know if it has any bearing on anything much, but with the Brandbright
(thinner?) oil I seem to actually use more steam oil from the lubricator on my
Ruby than I do from my Jane. I don't suck out clear water from Ruby's lubricator
and i
In a message dated 4/27/2000 7:44:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> BUT- I bet you all the tea in China that
> Morewoods pistons have graphite packing for rings!
>
>
It sure does!
Interesting Kt, Thanks.
I run 3-1/2 gauge locos as well as the 45mm ones, and I have always used
the same steam oil--either O.S Engines or the prototype steam oil I was
given (I'll use anything that's given!) The two brands appear to be about
the same but an analysis might prove different. This
> For the sake of playing, could they be adapted to
> our small stuff? =)
A couple of years ago, Albrecht Putschbach brought a scratchbuilt
0-10-0 to the Diamondhead steamup. (Albrecht is the fellow who
brought the LGB K-28 converted to steam to the last steamup.)
The engine is a huge beast
In a message dated 4/27/2000 7:01:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I am curious as to wheather you could fill me in on
> how the lube pumps work. For the sake of playing, could they be adapted to
> our small stuff? =)
Just an oscillating cylinder within a tank that
Not really boring, but I am curious as to wheather you could fill me in on
how the lube pumps work. For the sake of playing, could they be adapted to
our small stuff? =)
Did the larger items use ringed pistons as IC engines do, or were they
rubber/viton sealed also? If the former, this may be
At 11:10 AM 04/27/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>Yes, mine has a noticeable leak around the right-side rod. I talked
>to Accucraft about two weeks ago, and they said they'd send me a
>new rod and cylinder cover, but I don't have it yet so can't report on
>whether it helped.
Ah. They told me it was
> Does your ruby ever stall with steam coming out the rod seals? How about
> anyone else?
Yes, mine has a noticeable leak around the right-side rod. I talked
to Accucraft about two weeks ago, and they said they'd send me a
new rod and cylinder cover, but I don't have it yet so can't report on
Does your ruby ever stall with steam coming out the rod seals? How about
anyone else?
Trot, the curious, fox...
At 08:55 AM 04/27/2000 EDT, you wrote:
>I use Sulfur Springs Steam Oil in my Ruby without any problems. It takes a
>few back n forths to clear the cylinders but then off she goes.
I use Sulfur Springs Steam Oil in my Ruby without any problems. It takes a
few back n forths to clear the cylinders but then off she goes. I tried some
lighter weight oil that I have from Brandbright ( you might try them as a
source). I really didn't notice any start up difference with the
Re Neats, for those people living in urban areas, I just thought that you would
appreciate the description of the scene from my farm window. A small herd of
neats, quietly grazing under the cool, restful shade of about ten acres of grits
trees that my wife and I raise on a comercial basis. It brin
As previously stated, the performance difference is night and day on my Ruby.
With the thin stuff she easily starts by herself. With the thick, she
requires help to get over the point where pressure is on the piston rod side
of the cylinder.
BTW, this was with Roundhouse steam oil.
Trot, th
In a message dated 4/26/2000 11:11:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I also got a piece of
> scotchbrite and put that on top of the lard in the Tupperware container. I
> use it on the table and ways of my milling machine, on the 1917 Seneca
Falls
>
> Lathe, the ba
In a message dated 4/26/2000 5:49:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I want oil that's lower viscosity than the black-brown
> stuff SSSM sells.
Why???
The viscosity changes when heated. The stuff that seems like molasses becomes
as thin as water when mixed with steam.
While looking for a steam oil supplier, I contacted Mobil, Texaco, Enron, and
my former employer, Chevron. I was unable to contact "knowledgeable" people
at Texaco and Enron, but both Chevron and Mobil had someone that knew about
steam oils. Both gentlemen were interested in my use (#1 gauge an
Landon:
I use a Texaco Vanguard Cylinder Oil 460 product. You'll have to contact a
commercial distributor for oil products and tell him you want steam oil.
Power plants use it so it's not unheard of. A 5 gallon pail is $30-$40 and
should last a few seasons with the Ruby :-).
Jim
A good oil for running on air is LIGHT oil as used for rotary air tools and
there are usually several makes available at hardware stores. Air tools
often have O rings and composition motor vanes so you will not find harmful
additives. However, make sure the oil is of premium quality. I have fou
I do not believe a displacement lubricator would be very good if only air was
being used -- no condensed steam to keep the oil level up.
Keep your steam up!
Walt, Lunk's out fertilizing the lawn
>> A while back there was an article in (I think) Modeltec about using pure
>> castor oil in place of steam oil.
>
>Oh, man, will you regret that!
>The exhaust from those little boogers will turn anything it touches
>(such as your entire garage, should you be so unlucky) into a
>nauseating
In a message dated 00-03-03 01:05:00 EST, you write:
<< A while back there was an article in (I think) Modeltec about using pure
> castor oil in place of steam oil. >>
I hope that it does not have the same effect on the engines as it does
on me or we are in for one messy track bed. :-)
> A while back there was an article in (I think) Modeltec about using pure
> castor oil in place of steam oil.
Oh, man, will you regret that! (Well, it's better than trashing your
piston rings, I suppose.)
The lubricant included in fuel for miniature Diesel engines (like glow-
plug engines,
>A while back there was an article in (I think) Modeltec about using pure
>castor oil in place of steam oil. Anyone remeber the article? Anyone ever
>used the stuff? (for steam engines, I mean)
>
>Casey Sterbenz
Fellows,
I read about the use of castor oil in the G1MRA Newsletter about a ye
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