Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2013-05-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
the specification accurate and clearly written? Yes Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center and Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison Technical

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301: Javascript implementation of in-band real-time text

2013-04-23 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
Plus having the interop with regular XMPP (without real-time tex. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison T

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text) - review observations

2013-04-19 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
r you do them) If there are any and send it to last call. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison Techn

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1 - TTY

2012-08-24 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
I like choice 1 Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison Technical Director - Cloud4all Project - http://Cloud4

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1

2012-08-22 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
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Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1

2012-08-22 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > If you use an acronym, you MUST expand it. If Teletypewriter is not the > correct expansion for TTY, then provide the correct one and include an > authoritative citation. Hm. TTY isn't an acronym anymore. It was at one time --

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1

2012-08-22 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
other coding schemes) over analog phone lines. that however is probably too much history. but if you are using Teletypewriter - that would be the \correct way to use it. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Ce

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301, sections 1-5 (Advice needed on Peter's comments)

2012-08-22 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
burst of real-time text.(same as above) Gregg On Aug 22, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden > wrote: >> I suggest we keep it simple. >> anytime the mo

Re: [Standards] review of XEP-0301, sections 1-5 (Advice needed on Peter's comments)

2012-08-22 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
> *** CLARIFICATION #1 > Issue: Should I define an Implementation note about how sender clients > should handle enabling/disabling of real-time text while in the middle > of composing a message. (e.g. sender user types a message partially, > and then clicks a button to deactivate real

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 0.5 comments [Sections 1 through 5]

2012-07-24 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
ple I think. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International and the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Fallback Mechanism of Determining Support (Accessibility)

2012-07-11 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
Well one thing missed is that the emergency responder (9-1-1 PSAP) is always responding. So I think you should have it that the first message from EITHER party should be able to use to ping. What about if you are in the middle of a message and it becomes clear that it should move to rtt?

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2012-07-09 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
Good -- but also misses a major other user for real-time text, especially with elders, and that is captioning. Also for text one way and audio the next. Without making it much longer - we can include these important but often overlooked (in an attempt to be brief) methods of communication.

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2012-07-09 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
Just reread that and it sounded a bit Jingo -y maybe Accessible features of use to Mainstream as well. And further discussion will be off list on this. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Indust

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2012-07-09 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
I think it is better to capture both audiences -- and not make this about just one group but I see how you want accessible to stand out how about Accessible - and mainstream too. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&a

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-07-01 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
even be using the same technology. That was the only reason I raised the topic. However, I think Mark has found a balance. Hope that works. Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial &

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-06-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
capability but the user does not prefer to use it? Thanks Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison Co-Director, Raising t

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-06-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:29 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: > > I don't really object to the spec being called "real time text". What I > object to is not keep clear (and separate) issues which pertain to RTT as a > extension to XMPP IM vs. RTT as a part of 'total (real-time) conversation > service".

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-06-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
ks. Gregg On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:19 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: > >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: >> >> but please also don't call messaging 'real time&#x

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-06-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
Looks good. On Jun 30, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: > There's two issues. I know you believe that turning off RTT completely > is evil and I think that not allowing users to do so is also not good > - I'm not suggesting anything about defaults, or policy. The issue I'm > addressing i

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-06-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
o allow this interworking -- or allow things that would block it -- or block the effective use of RTT in these ways or in emergency situations. See immediately previous note. > > -- Kurt Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Tr

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 -- starting and stopping real-time text in a chat session.

2012-06-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
andle RTT when it can - and it is just not the user's preference. User choice is good. Technical miscommunication of capabilities though is not a good idea I don't think. It is clear what I am getting at? thanks Gregg Gregg Vanderheid

Re: [Standards] Accessibility (including XEP-0301)

2012-06-29 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
On Jun 29, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: > I have to wonder if vendors offer RTT without offering A/V, will there be > claims made against them for discrimination because they didn't offer A/V. > RTT, I would think, would have some users with disabilities. I have to > wonder how

Re: [Standards] Accessibility (including XEP-0301)

2012-06-29 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
On Jun 29, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Winfried Tilanus wrote: > I don't say RTT is good or bad, useful or useless. But I oppose to the > assumption that RTT is a minor privacy intrusion compared to an audio or > video chat. It is a different kind of privacy intrusion and should be > treated like that. I

Re: [Standards] Accessibility (including XEP-0301)

2012-06-29 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
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Re: [Standards] XEPs for mobile / reflowable

2011-04-01 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
braille). Gregg --- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Tobias Markmann wrote: > Hi, > > our XEPs are currently p

Re: [Standards] Correcting last message

2011-03-25 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
7;s all Thanks Gregg --- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: > At this point in the discussion, I'd like to ensu

Re: [Standards] Correcting last message

2011-03-25 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
o cause this IM to be viewed as less safe for business than others. Gregg --- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Mark

Re: [Standards] Review: XEP-xxxx: In-Band Real Time Text

2011-03-02 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Wed Mar 2 12:35:58 2011, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: >> Those who need this feature can only use it if it is supported on the >> technology (product) being used at both ends of the conversation. > > Right, so they

Re: [Standards] Review: XEP-xxxx: In-Band Real Time Text

2011-03-02 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
Interesting issues - thanks Will reply after examining these issues a bit more - to provide more complete and concise replies. But some are new topics/issues. Thanks for hightlighting them. Gregg --- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Profe

Re: [Standards] Review: XEP-xxxx: In-Band Real Time Text

2011-03-02 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
LD be supported - and product developers should understand the full implications of not implementing and carefully weigh them before choosing to not include this feature. Gregg --- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Eng

Re: [Standards] Review: XEP-xxxx: In-Band Real Time Text

2011-03-02 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
time. Gregg --- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:10 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Mark Re