Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Alexander Gnauck wrote: Artur Hefczyc schrieb: On 4 Apr 2008, at 12:05, Richard Smith wrote: Johannes Wagener wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA snip I second this proposal. I also second this proposal. I have done lots of Jabber RPC stuff in the past. RPC is poorly documented

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-05 Thread Fabio Forno
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should change the title to Web Services over XMPP? :) definetely However, I suppose that when most people think of web services they think of SOAP and the whole WS-* stack... So let's teach them how to

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Richard Smith
Johannes Wagener wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA snip +1 I'd like to endorse this proposal. While AD-Hoc commands and Data Forms does offer a lot of flexibility, XMPP could benefit from extended capability in terms of representation of in terms of machine-to-machine communications that

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Ola Spjuth
Hi, I'd like to add our strong support to the IO DATA XEP proposal. I represent the Bioclipse project (www.bioclipse.net) providing a workbench for life science that currently relies heavily on SOAP Web services for remote execution of jobs. The biggest problem for us is long lasting

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Luis Peralta
2008/3/30, Johannes Wagener [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA Hello, here I submit a proposal for a new XEP called IO DATA. Hi, Overall I like this XEP. What I missed are more possible status values for the commands. Being in execution and completed is way too

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Sami Haahtinen
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 01:16 +0100, Johannes Wagener wrote: Further explanation comes here: We want to do dynamic Web Services over XMPP. For certain reasons we explain in the XEP we think neither SOAP over XMPP nor Jabber-RPC is the way to go. We think future asynchronous Web Services can be

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Artur Hefczyc
On 4 Apr 2008, at 12:05, Richard Smith wrote: Johannes Wagener wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA snip I second this proposal. I've read this XEP and I love it. This is exactly what I needed when I was working on the server configuration via XMPP. I decided to use ad-hoc commands

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Fabio Forno
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Johannes Wagener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. If you read the xep you might see that the XEP is very much the same as you suggest here. Ad-Hoc Commands do also support several actions: For example execute/next/prev/cancel/complete are actions

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Fabio Forno
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Luis Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I like this XEP. What I missed are more possible status values for the commands. Being in execution and completed is way too simple for some applications. The initial state after submitting a command would

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Luis Peralta wrote: Overall I like this XEP. What I missed are more possible status values for the commands. Being in execution and completed is way too simple for some applications. The initial state after submitting a command would be 'accepted' and letting the client know that it is

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ola Spjuth wrote: Hi, I'd like to add our strong support to the IO DATA XEP proposal. I represent the Bioclipse project (www.bioclipse.net) providing a workbench for life science that currently relies heavily on SOAP Web services for remote execution of jobs. The biggest problem for us is

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-04-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Richard Smith wrote: Johannes Wagener wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA snip +1 I'd like to endorse this proposal. While AD-Hoc commands and Data Forms does offer a lot of flexibility, XMPP could benefit from extended capability in terms of representation of in terms of

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-31 Thread Johannes Wagener
Hi Peter Saint-Andre schrieb: Do you send it all through XMPP? Is it all in small chunks as in the examples you wrote, ore there may be also bigger chunks of data? I'm asking because I think that everybody here would like to know more about real life examples of binary data transfer through

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Fabio Forno
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Johannes Wagener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for handling the input to and output from a remote entity. Some remarks. You write While SOAP over XMPP supports

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Fabio Forno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it's true that in SOAP+XMPP specs there is no asynchronous message exchange pattern (and that was a mistake, though I think it's possible to add a new MEP), this is not related to REST. Neither the concept of

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Fabio Forno
(I crosspost this to the API mailing list, because I think that this problem is another use case of the more general problem of p2p communication between applications we are discussing; in the API ml we can brainstorm better) On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Egon Willighagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Johannes Wagener
Fabio Forno schrieb: BTW, let me say that asynchronous RPC support in XMPP is very interesting for scientific workflow environments. This proposal addresses two problems which are important limitations of current approaches like SOAP over HTTP. Indeed, it's interesting in general ;)

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Tobias Markmann
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Johannes Wagener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA Hello, here I submit a proposal for a new XEP called IO DATA. The XEP is already located in the XEP inbox directory: URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/io-data.html

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fabio Forno wrote: (I crosspost this to the API mailing list, because I think that this problem is another use case of the more general problem of p2p communication between applications we are discussing; in the API ml we can brainstorm better) On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Egon

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Johannes Wagener wrote: Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA Hello, here I submit a proposal for a new XEP called IO DATA. The XEP is already located in the XEP inbox directory: URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/io-data.html However, the initial version is erroneously missing some