Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-06 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:49 AM, Pedro Melo wrote: I don't see the usefulness of sending my own mac address. But sending the mac address of my default gateway, then yes, I find that very useful. That's how a lot of "location aware"-tools for the Mac work for example. It's just another source

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-05 Thread Pedro Melo
On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that it would be good to add a reference type for an Ethernet address, such as: 00.31.55.f9.1d.de ethernet It seems that we'd need this because y

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-04 Thread Fabio Forno
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Helge Timenes wrote: > The reference type "rfid" has been actually been foreseen since v0.1. This > is also not covered by any examples and I have made no assumptions as to how > the ID of a RFID reference should be composed as I don't really know much > about it :

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-04 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Helge Timenes wrote: Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Helge Timenes wrote: Actually, I meant the local ethernet (MAC) address of your active network connection(s). There are network elements that keep track of the ethernet addresses they hav

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Helge Timenes wrote: Actually, I meant the local ethernet (MAC) address of your active network connection(s). There are network elements that keep track of the ethernet addresses they have seen, and can glean location information from that c

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Helge Timenes wrote: Actually, I meant the local ethernet (MAC) address of your active network connection(s). There are network elements that keep track of the ethernet addresses they have seen, and can glean location information from that connectivity informat

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Uhm.. is that meaningful? Usually for location queries external references are more useful than your address (e.g. your MAC moves with your notebook, so what is the purpose of doing a query with it?) I meant your local

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Fabio Forno wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I meant your locally-assigned IPv4 or IPv6 address, not your MAC address. My bad. Penitenziagite! :D Yep, now I get the point and it makes sense Sorry for being a bit late responding to this. The referenc

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Uhm.. is that meaningful? Usually for location queries external references are more useful than your address (e.g. your MAC moves with your notebook, so what is the purpose of doing a query with it?) I meant your locally-assigned IPv4 or

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Seth Fitzsimmons
>>> It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be >>> different from your wifi address even in the same location (e.g., where >>> I am right now my ethernet address is 00:23:32:d4:28:ea whereas my wifi >>> address is 00:23:6c:88:d4:1d). >>> >> >> Uhm.. is that meaningful? Usua

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Fabio Forno
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > I meant your locally-assigned IPv4 or IPv6 address, not your MAC > address. My bad. Penitenziagite! :D Yep, now I get the point and it makes sense >> Besides that there is one more reference we are starting using: RFID >> addresses, w

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fabio Forno wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that > > [...] >> It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be >> different from your wifi address even in the same location (

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Fabio Forno
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that [...] > It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be > different from your wifi address even in the same location (e.g., where > I am right now

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Andreas Monitzer
On Mar 02, 2009, at 20:23, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that it would be good to add a reference type for an Ethernet address, such as: It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be different from your wifi

[Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query): ethernet reference type?

2009-03-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I was chatting with Joe Hildebrand about XEP-0255 and he mentioned that it would be good to add a reference type for an Ethernet address, such as: 00.31.55.f9.1d.de ethernet It seems that we'd need this because your ethernet address might be different from your wifi

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-13 Thread Stephen Pendleton
009 12:29 PM To: 'XMPP Standards' Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query -Original Message- From: standards-boun...@xmpp.org [mailto:standards-boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of Helge Timenes Sent: 02/13/2009 1:24 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Locatio

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-13 Thread Stephen Pendleton
-Original Message- From: standards-boun...@xmpp.org [mailto:standards-boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of Helge Timenes Sent: 02/13/2009 1:24 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query Just a heads up notice: As suggested by Stephen Pendleton I plan to add ip

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-13 Thread Dean Collins
AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query Just a heads up notice: As suggested by Stephen Pendleton I plan to add ip-address to the type of "beacons" that can be submitted in a location query. The justification being that in most cases an IP address can be ass

[Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-12 Thread Helge Timenes
Just a heads up notice: As suggested by Stephen Pendleton I plan to add ip-address to the type of "beacons" that can be submitted in a location query. The justification being that in most cases an IP address can be associated with a particular country, region and city. Some items of concern in

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-04 Thread Stephen Pendleton
ge Timenes Sent: 02/04/2009 11:25 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query I'm still thinking about this one. Granted ip address is useful in determining location, and adding a new beacon type is a painless update. But i feel it is a bit silly to call it a '

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-04 Thread Helge Timenes
mpp.org] On Behalf Of Helge Timenes Sent: 02/03/2009 6:55 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query Thanks. Will fix ;-) Regards, Helge Timenes -original message- Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query From: Daniel Willmann Date: 03/02/2009 11:24 Hi, I ju

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-04 Thread Stephen Pendleton
ubject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query Thanks. Will fix ;-) Regards, Helge Timenes -original message- Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query From: Daniel Willmann Date: 03/02/2009 11:24 Hi, I just noticed an inconsistency between the query tags at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Timenes
Thanks. Will fix ;-) Regards, Helge Timenes -original message- Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query From: Daniel Willmann Date: 03/02/2009 11:24 Hi, I just noticed an inconsistency between the query tags at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html#examples and the format

[Standards] XEP-0255: Location Query

2009-02-03 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hi, I just noticed an inconsistency between the query tags at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html#examples and the format specification at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html#format. Example 1 uses tags named latitude and longitude, but the format specifies them as lat and lon. Since XE

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-27 Thread Stephen Pendleton
I'm on board with that too. So IP would be: 208.99.11.22 ip -Original Message- From: standards-boun...@xmpp.org [mailto:standards-boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of Simon Tennant Sent: 01/27/2009 9:20 AM To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-27 Thread Simon Tennant
Helge Timenes wrote: > That is a good idea. And also brings up an already asked question. Would it > be better to de-generalize the element into explicit , , > , and as suggested, elements? > > Pros/cons anyone? We will soon have WiMAX and then LTE-type cell-ids and... So let's not paint our

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-27 Thread Helge Timenes
That is a good idea. And also brings up an already asked question. Would it be better to de-generalize the element into explicit , , , and as suggested, elements? Pros/cons anyone? -original message- Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query) From: "Stephen Pendleton" D

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2009-01-26 Thread Stephen Pendleton
What about adding another optional element to the query to allow the lookup of location information based on IP address?: 127.88.22.22 Sometimes IP address is "good enough" for applications. Thanks

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-14 Thread kael
Helge Timenes wrote, On 12/12/2008 04:52 PM: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:15:30 -0500, Stephen Pendleton wrote: - Is Example 7 allowed in XMPP/pubsub? It looks like the component is publishing to the entities node. I suppose there is nothing wrong with that, I just haven't seen it before. I was wo

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-14 Thread kael
Helge Timenes wrote, On 11/26/2008 10:43 PM: Some comments to the XEP-0255 / "Location Query" draft (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html): 1) Beacon signal strength seems to have been forgotten in the draft specification. This is a mistake and I will correct it. 2) In the development pr

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-12 Thread Helge Timenes
such that our server (ejabberd) allows it to post on behalf of users (@Simon: correct me if I'm wrong or unclear on this) Helge >> To: standards@xmpp.org> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:43:45 +0100> From: > he...@buddycloud.com> Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

Re: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-12-11 Thread Stephen Pendleton
wrong with that, I just haven't seen it before. > To: standards@xmpp.org> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:43:45 +0100> From: > he...@buddycloud.com> Subject: [Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)> > > > Some comments to the XEP-0255 / "Location Query" draft &

[Standards] XEP-0255 (Location Query)

2008-11-26 Thread Helge Timenes
Some comments to the XEP-0255 / "Location Query" draft (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0255.html): 1) Beacon signal strength seems to have been forgotten in the draft specification. This is a mistake and I will correct it. 2) In the development project from which XEP-0255 was born (Buddycloud