al Deadman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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I am used to dealing with EJBs so I am probably not as sympathetic as I
should have been to people that have written web applications with
> I can see the appeal of exposing the web application's code as web
services
> using Axis. It seems like exposing Action classes directly as web
services
> will be more trouble than it's worth. It would seem better to move the
code
> in the Action class into another class (not tied to Struts/We
> From: David Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Hal and others,
>
> I agree with your analysis, however I think there is still some
> synergy.
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Subject: RE: [AXIS4STRUTS] The old In and Out
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:41, Mike Oliver wrote:
> Oh and BTW I believe you are taking a too narrow view of VIEW, so at
> least on that point we disagree. I would define view as the
> presentation layer as you do, but the consume
t; From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> I don't mean to sound overly negative. I think the idea is interesting,
> and am looking f
too, then that has value...that I know I can use.
>
> Michael Oliver
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From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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I don't mean to sound overly negative. I think the idea is interesting,
and am looking forward to seeing creative solutions t
7391 S. Bullrider Ave.
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> Phone:(520)574-1150
> Fax:(520)844-1036
>
>
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> From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> True. But someho
b down the server app". Refer to my
paragraph #1
Michael Oliver
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Michael,
There is very little difference. Others have mentioned support for
multiple view, which is great but I don't wan
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From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:23 PM
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Thanks...
I think the interaction with Flash, et. al. could be a big deal.
[Mike Oliver>>] Me thinks you think I think
] The old In and Out
> ** You may find more utility in creating set of client side proxys for
> Struts server side controller contructs. In other words, RPC the
> selected controller components. ActionForms would be user defined,
but
> the ActionForward, ActionErrors, etc ... co
] The old In and Out
At 4:49 PM -0500 2003/01/24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I still haven't really absorbed the rationale for this, and my
>> difficulty in answering some of your questions make me willing to
>> step up and say so.
>
>> Maybe it would help if w
> True. But somehow, to leverage what struts really is, you would need to
> communicate some kind of instructions from the server side controller.
The idea is to have the SOAP request contain essentially the same data as
would be in an HTTP post (or get). Then you invoke Struts Actions the sam
Michael,
There is very little difference. Others have mentioned support for
multiple view, which is great but I don't want to have to do double
the effort to support two views instead of one. There is benefit in
defining that response in a view neutral way so that interaction could
be between
> At 4:49 PM -0500 2003/01/24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I still haven't really absorbed the rationale for this, and my
> >> difficulty in answering some of your questions make me willing to
> >> step up and say so.
> >
> >> Maybe it would help if we could frame the goal of the project, i
True. But somehow, to leverage what struts really is, you would need to
communicate some kind of instructions from the server side controller.
I think the core of what I am saying is that Axis does *not* provide a
view. And therefore you would have controller functions on the other
side of the w
> ** You may find more utility in creating set of client side proxys for
> Struts server side controller contructs. In other words, RPC the
> selected controller components. ActionForms would be user defined, but
> the ActionForward, ActionErrors, etc ... could be proxy objects.
I like this
ry 24, 2003 1:24 PM
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>
> I think Axis4Struts is a cool idea, but... there are some viability
> issues to address, IMO.
>
> I just implemented a web services project using access and thought about
>
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Hal and others,
I agree with your analysis, however I think there is still some
synergy.
First, loading presentation directly from a Web service could be useful
although this could be exposed directly through a custom tag so is
really not that helpful. Re-encoding a SOAP request
At 4:49 PM -0500 2003/01/24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I still haven't really absorbed the rationale for this, and my
difficulty in answering some of your questions make me willing to
step up and say so.
Maybe it would help if we could frame the goal of the project, in
terms of more than
, 2003 1:24 PM
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Subject: RE: [AXIS4STRUTS] The old In and Out
I think Axis4Struts is a cool idea, but... there are some viability
issues to address, IMO.
I just implemented a web services project using access and thought about
the MVC model of Struts, and if that could be of
Hal and others,
I agree with your analysis, however I think there is still some
synergy.
First, loading presentation directly from a Web service could be useful
although this could be exposed directly through a custom tag so is
really not that helpful. Re-encoding a SOAP request to match the
c
> I still haven't really absorbed the rationale for this, and my
> difficulty in answering some of your questions make me willing to
> step up and say so.
> Maybe it would help if we could frame the goal of the project, in
> terms of more than "wouldn't it be cool?"
How about:
> My understa
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Subject: RE: [AXIS4STRUTS] The old In and Out
*FridayModeOn*
> Axis and Struts, like ice cream and sex, are both good things, but I
don't
> see much benefit to combining them.
I think it depends on the flavor of the Ice Cream... ;-)
*FridayModeOff*
> Is the idea behind Axis for
*FridayModeOn*
> Axis and Struts, like ice cream and sex, are both good things, but I
don't
> see much benefit to combining them.
I think it depends on the flavor of the Ice Cream... ;-)
*FridayModeOff*
> Is the idea behind Axis for Struts to expose Action classes as Web
Services?
Yes.
> Id
uts, like ice cream and sex, are both good things, but I don't
> see much benefit to combining them.
>
> Hal
>
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> Mike -
>
> > If we start with the idea [Kevin's suggestion] that on the
> Axis side we
> > develop a Web Service that accepts SOAP Requ
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Mike -
> If we start with the idea [Kevin's suggestion] that on the Axis side
we
> develop a Web Service that accepts SO
Mike -
> If we start with the idea [Kevin's suggestion] that on the Axis side we
> develop a Web Service that accepts SOAP Requests with an XML payload and
> spins that payload into an HTTP POST/GET to a Struts Application as if
> that POST or GET was coming from a Web Browser. Then we need not
If we start with the idea [Kevin's suggestion] that on the Axis side we
develop a Web Service that accepts SOAP Requests with an XML payload and
spins that payload into an HTTP POST/GET to a Struts Application as if
that POST or GET was coming from a Web Browser. Then we need not make
any changes
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