Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Aleksey Lim
Hi all, Let me finalize this What tags we should use for GCompris/Fructose/etc discussion :) New AMO version and incoming ASLO v3 version have collections feature https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections I think we can move tags GCompris and Fructose(Core, etc) to collections

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Sean DALY
ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? Browse Read Write etc. Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 10 Jun 2009, at 18:24, James Simmons wrote: Martin, I phrased that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:51:24AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? This is Fructose: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Fructose:_The_set_of_demonstration_activities If you keep asking

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Sean DALY
hmmm thanks Martin for that I guess I'm confused because for me, a set of demo Activities is not at all the same thing as baseline Activities included in every Sugar deployment. I mean, to demonstrate online collaboration, I could choose a fancier or more advanced Activity than might be on a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:55:51AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I guess I'm confused because for me, a set of demo Activities is not at all the same thing as baseline Activities included in every Sugar deployment. I agree they're not exactly the same, but I think that's probably because baseline

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Sean DALY
Bert - many thanks, I understand much better now. We're expecting a traffic peaks at the end of the month with our media push, that's why this work on clarity/simplicity is important. I'm afraid Fructose as a left-hand category on ASLO is obscure, it really should be base or core or base

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Sean DALY
David - do you have a list, or a link to same? thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: I recommend u take a look at the openSUSE offering. I took a careful look at the activities available and packaged those that seemed useful, relatively bug

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Jun 2009, at 08:37, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Let me finalize this What tags we should use for GCompris/Fructose/ etc discussion :) New AMO version and incoming ASLO v3 version have collections feature https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections I think we can move tags

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:10:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list[...] 27 messages in this thread: http://n2.nabble.com/G1G1v2-Activities-td1096680.html thanks Sean Martin pgpokorRHRZMh.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 02:47:45PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:10:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list[...] 27 messages in this thread: http://n2.nabble.com/G1G1v2-Activities-td1096680.html 20 comments on this ticket:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Jun 2009, at 14:10, Sean DALY wrote: Bert - many thanks, I understand much better now. We're expecting a traffic peaks at the end of the month with our media push, that's why this work on clarity/simplicity is important. I'm afraid Fructose as a left-hand category on ASLO is obscure,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 16:22, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 11 Jun 2009, at 14:10, Sean DALY wrote: Bert - many thanks, I understand much better now. We're expecting a traffic peaks at the end of the month with our media push, that's why this work on clarity/simplicity is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Sean DALY
Over 50 responses on this thread :D But we are advancing I think :-) Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 02:47:45PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:10:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I actually

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Sean, I had another thought. Activities can be included in up to three categories on ASLO. So, in addition to GCompris we could also have a Core category (or Pre-Installed or some other agreed upon phrase) that would include all the Activities that are installed by default. This would

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Sean DALY
I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the classics. i don't mind trying to write the instructions if someone else can edit post them. thanks Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM, James Simmonsjim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Sean, I had another thought.  

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:34:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the classics. It'd be great if the classifications found happened to, or could be easily made to, be sensibly related to the classifications used for quite some time now:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:48:43AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Martin, First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their teachers. Sure - I'm agreeing That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. I didn't see that as an issue. Now since we can give an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Martin, I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, or if we consider Read Etexts part of Glucose, Sucrose, Fructose, etc. If a kid

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
I think we're in violent agreement: different taxonomies are great in that they can serve different needs [and we don't want to confuse anyone if we can help it]. pgpdksCQeiY9L.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: FWIW, I have tried and failed to understand fructose, glucose, honey, etc. When I get around to writing a little Activity I guess I'll climb that learning curve. I'm sure it's a useful classification system, but I don't think

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi James, On 10 Jun 2009, at 17:48, James Simmons wrote: Martin, First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their teachers. That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. Now since we can give an Activity up to three Categories it might make sense to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Walter Bender
FWIW, the 100 or so GCompris activities have an internal organization as well: maths physics puzzles reading amusements strategy games discovery learn about the computer -walter On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi James, On 10 Jun 2009, at 17:48,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Jun 2009, at 18:24, James Simmons wrote: Martin, I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, or if we consider Read

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread David Farning
I think the Recommended activities are still those which were uploaded early just to test the the recommendations worked. IIRC, for a long time search was more broken than recommendations Thus, search got the love. That being said, modifying and updating recommendations are handled through a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Sean DALY
Looking better all the time. For the moment, the site suffers from being ghettoized from the rest of the Sugar Labs site; you can get in, but you can't get out - there's no Sugar Labs navigation. Direct links coming in mean the rest of the site is invisible. To fix this (and the other sections

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread James Simmons
Sean DALY wrote: GCompris is fine where it is; it is very well known in Europe and elsewhere and has a five year headstart on us in word-of-mouth and credibility with teachers. Although marketing/branding of GCompris has been minimalist, it has a well-deserved reputation for quality. I'm very

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Sean DALY
Yes, that's the procedure when running Sugar and using Browse... which I wasn't doing. A couple of phrases removing the mystery will help us; it's a lowering-the-barriers issue... we can't assume everyone will alertly figure it out. After all, common sense tells you that Software Update in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that's the procedure when running Sugar and using Browse... which I wasn't doing. A couple of phrases removing the mystery will help us; it's a lowering-the-barriers issue... we can't assume everyone will alertly figure it

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Sean DALY
umm... I'm trying to understand how that assists in keeping Activities up-to-date... what plays the role of the FF browser, phoning in for version availability? thanks Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:04 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Sean

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: umm... I'm trying to understand how that assists in keeping Activities up-to-date... what plays the role of the FF browser, phoning in for version availability? As far as FF goes, the FF updater ping the addons.mozilla.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Sean DALY
many thanks Martin for finding that thread for me, I have so much going on I'm having trouble remembering keywords to look things up Actually what faked me out was the fine print about XO software update: it won't update to the latest Activity version on ASLO, just the latest OLPC supported

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Intuitively, I would expect ASLO to be polled by Sugar machines... in clicking, I expect the machine to figure out all by itself what it needs to be up to date... Definitely, a good feature to have. I was just talking about what

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Sean DALY
I recently got help opening a bug ticket account, I'll try my hand at that thanks for your patient assistance Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Intuitively, I would expect ASLO to be

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 02:09:16AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: Definitely, a good feature to have.  I was just talking about what existed right now in SoaS (which is: no working updater, AFAIK). The patch I just