Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Martina Addiscott
Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children ! It now seems that other countri

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Thibaud Taudin-Chabot
Did any of the schools ever mention what the danger is of an analemmatic sundial? Thibaud At 16:19 15-5-2012, Martina Addiscott wrote: Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' s

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Ross Sinclair Caldwell
I remember this discussion a year or so ago (maybe more?) A dialist in Australia explained that the school argued that the children would be tempted to spend too much time in the sun because of the dial. In another part of this discussion, perhaps in the UK, someone mentioned that the school wor

Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Reinhold Kriegler
Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread darkroom3
Those  are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students?  It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people learn better by hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic sundia

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread David Bell
It has little or nothing to do with controlling the students, or even concern over their welfare. It all comes down to liability. Should some child be injured in a schoolyard scuffle, or 20 years later develop a skin cancer, some shyster lawyer WILL find a way to hold the school responsible!

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Frank King
Dear Reinhold, You write... Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments... Your story is full of drama. There is good news... ...Herr Kriegler sei der beste Lehrer an der Schule... Then the bad news... ...da hatte dieser Satz die Wirkung eines Stichs in ein Wespennest. So

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread darkroom3
Those are utterly ridiculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at school. Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students? It is great to get students outside to learn. Many people learn better by hands-on-learning. I had planned to make an analemmatic sun

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Martina Addiscott
In message "Reinhold Kriegler" wrote: > > Dear Martina, > > I still remember your previous message! > > > The world is crazy! > > > In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went > to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking > w

R: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread sun.di...@libero.it
"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian >Messaggio originale >Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com >Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 >A: >Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ? > >In message > "Reinhol

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Kevin Karney
Martina Gian is quite right. But one must try… So you need a strategy to overcome the stupidity. Why not recommend to your school the superb Mac Oglesby Beam & Spar dial (equiangular - so correctable for summer time and EoT!). This is designed for boy scouts/girl guides and involves ropes (child

Analemmatic in a public place

2012-05-15 Thread Mac Oglesby
Hello friends, Last Saturday I repainted the analemmatic sundial I installed a few years ago outside the west entrance to my town's Municipal Center. You can see the lower parts of the doors in the background. (The cones and tapes were removed on Sunday.) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/Sun

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Mac Oglesby
Hi Kevin, Just to set the record straight, the original "Beam & Spar" dial was designed and constructed by Bill Maddux. He was one of my early mentors and later we collaborated (along with Fer de Vries) on several sundial articles. Bill passed away in 2004. In his memory, at the NASS 2007

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Tom Laidlaw
Never heard of a Beam and Spar Sundial. Do you have a picture and descriptio. Tom Laidlaw -Original Message- From: Mac Oglesby Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:35 PM To: Kevin Karney Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ? Hi K

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Dave Bell
I had to look this one up, found what I assume is the same under "Rope & Spar sundial". What a great idea! I didn't have time (while at work) to figure out the details described of how the spar is aligned to a particular angle, though. If it was level, and true East-West aligned (and maybe that's

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Mac Oglesby
Hi Dave, Bill Maddux's article is in Compendium vol 9 no 1, March, 2002, pp. 16-23. Here's a screen shot of one of his constructions, from that article: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/Maddux%20cord%20and%20spar%20dial.png You can see a model by Fer de Vries at: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Roger Bailey
I abhor the "Nanny State" and its consequences on individual freedom, personal responsibility and creative learning opportunities. Yesterday we watched a couple of girls climbing a tree. They were well out on a limb and enjoying the experience. Good for them. There is hope for the future. In

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Roger Bailey
I know nothing about the Beam and Spar Sundial but I do know when the sun over the yardarm, the bar is open. Regards, Roger Bailey -- From: "Tom Laidlaw" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:50 PM To: "Kevin Karney" ; "Mac Oglesby" Cc: "Sundial List" S

Re: Analemmatic in a public place - olympic sabotage?

2012-05-15 Thread david
Oh dear! I've just thought that the sundial I have designed and delivered for the Silver section of the Great British Garden very close to the main stadium in the Olympic Park in London might be considered too much of a hazard for the athletes who might be tempted to check their watches by it. They