Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>I'm no advocate for Micro$oft, >>> but I recognize when they do something well, >>> A related item in the news: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/07/02/1157241&mode=nested&threshold=5&lowbandwidth=1#32772754 ___ support-

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

NoOp wrote: Yes... let's keep the thread as long as possible. Please: http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html [Trim your follow-ups.] Okey-dokey. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonk

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 06/29/2010 06:51 PM, Rick Merrill wrote: > Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >> JeffM wrote: >> >>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would praise any browser that coped well with coding errors. >>> ...except that's not what's happening with Internet Exploder. >> >> It's /part/ of what's happening wit

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would praise any browser that coped well with coding errors. ...except that's not what's happening with Internet Exploder. It's /part/ of what's happening with IE, but you're choosing to ignore it so you can focus on W3C comp

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would praise any browser that coped well with coding errors. ...except that's not what's happening with Internet Exploder. It's /part/ of what's happening with IE, but you're choosing to ignore it so you can focus on W3C compliance. Both phenomena ar

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >I would praise any browser that coped well with coding errors. > ...except that's not what's happening with Internet Exploder. If you shoot at a blank wall then draw concentric circles around your best grouping, it doesn't make you a sharpshooter. >JeffM wrote: >>Clueless

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I'm no advocate for Micro$oft, False--at least by proxy, you are. No. I would praise any browser that coped well with coding errors. but I recognize when they do something well, Clueless. Internet Exploder was designed to BREAK the 'Net. Insults

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >I'm no advocate for Micro$oft, > False--at least by proxy, you are. >but I recognize when they do something well, > Clueless. Internet Exploder was designed to BREAK the 'Net. >and coping well with coding errors >counts as "doing something well" in my book. > Your book i

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Phillip Jones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Phillip Jones wrote:.. either that or SM and FireFox is going to have to implement an IE style Self-healing process. The Mozilla community has been dying for ages to emulate IE any way. What is a browser self-healing process?? In IE they have code

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

W3BNR wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Phillip Jones wrote:.. either that or SM and FireFox is going to have to implement an IE style Self-healing process. The Mozilla community has been dying for ages to emulate IE any way. What is a browser self-healing process?? In IE th

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Phillip Jones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Phillip Jones wrote:.. either that or SM and FireFox is going to have to implement an IE style Self-healing process. The Mozilla community has been dying for ages to emulate IE any way. What is a browser self-healing process?? In IE they have code t

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

In mozilla.support.seamonkey, Rick Merrill wrote: > Phillip Jones wrote: >> ... As long as some semblance of correct code can be found IE will >> supply the missing information. That way. it doesn't make any >> difference how the code is written or has obivous errors IE over >> look the error. So

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Phillip Jones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Phillip Jones wrote:.. either that or SM and FireFox is going to have to implement an IE style Self-healing process. The Mozilla community has been dying for ages to emulate IE any way. What is a browser self-healing process?? In IE they have code t

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Rick Merrill wrote: Phillip Jones wrote:.. either that or SM and FireFox is going to have to implement an IE style Self-healing process. The Mozilla community has been dying for ages to emulate IE any way. What is a browser self-healing process?? In IE they have code that allow IE to guess

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

David E. Ross wrote: On 6/28/10 10:59 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Sniffing should be banned by w3c . But, Phillip, if the people that write these stuffed-up sites were paying attention to w3c, we wouldn't be having this

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

David E. Ross wrote: On 6/28/10 10:59 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Sniffing should be banned by w3c . But, Phillip, if the people that write these stuffed-up sites were paying attention to w3c, we wouldn't be having this

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Phillip Jones wrote:.. either that or SM and FireFox is going to have to implement an IE style Self-healing process. The Mozilla community has been dying for ages to emulate IE any way. What is a browser self-healing process?? ___ support-seamonkey m

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/28/10 10:59 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: > Daniel wrote: >> Phillip Jones wrote: >>> JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> Sniffing should be banned by w3c . >>> >> >> But, Phillip, if the people that write these stuffed-up sites were >> paying attention to w3c, we wouldn't be ha

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Rick Merrill wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Sniffing should be banned by w3c . But, Phillip, if the people that write these stuffed-up sites were paying attention to w3c, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because the problems wouldn't

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Sniffing should be banned by w3c . But, Phillip, if the people that write these stuffed-up sites were paying attention to w3c, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because the problems wouldn't exist!! Daniel Wi

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Ant wrote: -- "Since the world began, we have never exterminated. We probably shall never exterminate as much as one single insect species. If there was ever an example of an insect we cannot destroy, the fire ant is it." --an entomologist quote mentioned by Leon Insects are notoriously resista

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/2010 9:45 PM PT, David E. Ross typed: See my. Also see and . Thanks. I will keep these links to share t

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Phillip Jones wrote: JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Sniffing should be banned by w3c . But, Phillip, if the people that write these stuffed-up sites were paying attention to w3c, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because the problems wouldn't exist!! Daniel _

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/10 10:08 AM, Ant wrote: > On 6/27/2010 9:55 AM PT, David E. Ross typed: > >> See my. Also see >> and >> . >

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/10 11:01 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: > Ant wrote: >>> The designer of that item has said don't bother, its a waste of time . >>> The mozilla collective doesn't read them its a waste of time. So what >>> ever you don't report it on the Report broken websites. >> >> So why even have it? They shoul

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: What they ought to do is [write] SM/FF with Self-healing built in. That way if a monkey wrote the website FF could read it. ...because, apparently it isn't impressive enough to build a browser that can render proper HTML. To impress some folks, you have to ima

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Phillip Jones wrote: >What they ought to do is [write] SM/FF with Self-healing built in. >That way if a monkey wrote the website FF could read it. ...because, apparently it isn't impressive enough to build a browser that can render proper HTML. To impress some folks, you have to imagine -EVERY- po

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/2010 11:01 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Ant wrote: The designer of that item has said don't bother, its a waste of time . The mozilla collective doesn't read them its a waste of time. So what ever you don't report it on the Report broken websites. So why even have it? They should remove

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Ant wrote: On 6/27/2010 8:16 AM PT, Phillip Jones typed: Ant wrote: Hi! I am seeing a lot of Web sites that don't work correctly under Mozilla's SeaMonkey (SM) v2 web browsers like on http://www.ranker.com/list/oderus-urungus-of-gwar_s-top-10-war-films/oderus-urungus (and many ranker.com's a

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Ant wrote: The designer of that item has said don't bother, its a waste of time . The mozilla collective doesn't read them its a waste of time. So what ever you don't report it on the Report broken websites. So why even have it? They should remove it! They will:

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/2010 9:55 AM PT, David E. Ross typed: See my. Also see and . Thanks. I will keep these links to share to

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/2010 8:16 AM PT, Phillip Jones typed: Ant wrote: Hi! I am seeing a lot of Web sites that don't work correctly under Mozilla's SeaMonkey (SM) v2 web browsers like on http://www.ranker.com/list/oderus-urungus-of-gwar_s-top-10-war-films/oderus-urungus (and many ranker.com's articles). I

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

On 6/27/10 6:26 AM, Ant wrote: > Hi! > > I am seeing a lot of Web sites that don't work correctly under Mozilla's > SeaMonkey (SM) v2 web browsers like on > http://www.ranker.com/list/oderus-urungus-of-gwar_s-top-10-war-films/oderus-urungus > > (and many ranker.com's articles). I have to chang

Re: Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Ant wrote: Hi! I am seeing a lot of Web sites that don't work correctly under Mozilla's SeaMonkey (SM) v2 web browsers like on http://www.ranker.com/list/oderus-urungus-of-gwar_s-top-10-war-films/oderus-urungus (and many ranker.com's articles). I have to change the User Agent to Firefox v2.0.0.2

Is there an official Mozilla SeaMonkey guide for web developers who misuse User Agents?

Hi! I am seeing a lot of Web sites that don't work correctly under Mozilla's SeaMonkey (SM) v2 web browsers like on http://www.ranker.com/list/oderus-urungus-of-gwar_s-top-10-war-films/oderus-urungus (and many ranker.com's articles). I have to change the User Agent to Firefox v2.0.0.20 or som