RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel using acid catalyst

2003-02-02 Thread kavitha palaniappan
Hi Filip, You are absolutely right! I am going through the learning curve and I used 30% ethanol to oil ratio. At the very beginning, I had tried with methanol and base catalyst (NaOH) and I also succeeded in getting good quality biodiesel. But, during my first review at college, my prof. s

[biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14959 Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? By Jim Motavalli, E Magazine January 16, 2003 Whether or not hydrogen becomes "the people's energy" depends to a large extent on how it is generated and transported in the current, early stages of development.

RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel using acid catalyst

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
>Hi Filip, >You are absolutely right! I am going through the learning curve and >I used 30% ethanol to oil ratio. At the very beginning, I had tried >with methanol and base catalyst (NaOH) and I also succeeded in >getting good quality biodiesel. But, during my first review at >college, my p

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Space shuttle

2003-02-02 Thread Andrew Lowe
Not to belittle what has happened, but a little something to put the shuttle incident into context http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122251403.html Regards, Andrew Lowe On 2 Feb 2003 at 0:02, Hakan Falk wrote: > > > This is a very very sad day. > > H

Re: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles

2003-02-02 Thread Tricia Liu
Mexican government bought 40,000 French Air Taxi and going to be delivered in couple years. We will have to go to Mexico City to try out the Air Taxi. Suggested Retail $14,000(Euro 9500), runs 60MPH, range 120 miles. Charge at station $3 per charge and takes 3 minutes(If we had these infra-struc

Re: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles

2003-02-02 Thread Doug Foskey
On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:56, you wrote: > Mexican government bought 40,000 French Air Taxi and going to be delivered > in couple years. > We will have to go to Mexico City to try out the Air Taxi. > > Suggested Retail $14,000(Euro 9500), runs 60MPH, range 120 miles. > Charge at station $3 per charge

[biofuel] Babington Vegetable Oil Burner Updates

2003-02-02 Thread Steve Spence
New changes, new pictures. Cleaner Burning, Higher output. No smoke, no carbon buildup. Heat your house, garage, or hot water. Even make a steam generator from new or used vegetable oil. http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/babington Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy News

[biofuel] High Tech Cars

2003-02-02 Thread gabarlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The February issue of the IEEE Spectrum ( that's Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) cover story is on the "Top 10 Techno-Cool Cars". Of interest to people her are two Honda models. The Civic GX runs on natural gas and includes a home refuelling station. The Honda FCX is fuel ce

[biofuel] More on acrylamide

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
See archives for previous. Keith http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2702241.stm BBC NEWS | Health | Wednesday, 29 January, 2003, 10:29 GMT Food chemical cleared of cancer link Chips are among the foods containing acrylamide High levels of a chemical found in foods such as chips, crisps and b

[biofuel] Africa 'turns from leaded petrol'

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2689209.stm BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Friday, 24 January, 2003, 12:03 GMT Africa 'turns from leaded petrol' By Alex Kirby BBC News Online environment correspondent In a move which promises significant gains for public health, most of Africa is expected to

[biofuel] Environmentally Friendly Vehicle confab kicks off

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nb20030124a6.htm The Japan Times Online Environmentally Friendly Vehicle confab kicks off The first International Meeting on Environmentally Friendly Vehicles opened Thursday in Tokyo as part of global efforts to develop greener vehicles and fi

Re: [biofuel] Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
>Hi Y'all, > >I have been monitoring this list for awhile and although I am >totally excited about biofule I must admit that I have never >actually done it. I did try to start a car charing organization in >Yolo Co CA a few years ago but couldn't get the needed resourses >togethernamely p

RE: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles

2003-02-02 Thread kirk
You believe 20KwH will propel you and a vehicle 120 miles? Perhaps on a perfectly level and smooth surface at less than 10mph. They are indulging in specmanship I fear. When you take away the losses of the compressor it is more fantastic. :( Kirk -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mai

[biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread k5farms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Best, > >Jack Young > >www.jacksauctions.com > >530.219.7900 (voice) > >530.795.5536 (fax) > > > Well, folks? Would we consider Jack's offer as SPAM? > > I have an idea there's a place for this, only I can't remember

[biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
k5farms wrote: >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >Best, > > >Jack Young > > >www.jacksauctions.com > > >530.219.7900 (voice) > > >530.795.5536 (fax) > > > > > > Well, folks? Would we consider Jack's offer as SPAM? > > > > I have an idea there's a place

Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Steve Spence
depends on who benefits. Jack, or various others. He could list them at his website, and we could go their if we needed one. It really only benefits folks in the CA area. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.

[biofuel] cometition in alt fuels

2003-02-02 Thread murdoch
>I don't think the obstacle is technology. The products in our world are >profit driven. >Engineers don't decide what we will have. They may tell costs versus >products but the path taken is decided by others. >The current implementation of electricity is testament to that. > >What will speak loud

Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread vern_hendershott
I think one of the previous posts correctly pointed out that people may be willing to travel some distance to get a good buy on diesel cars and many others would benefit from the price information to use as value points in their local market where a dealer may not have a clear idea of the true va

Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
Vern_Hendershott wrote: >I think one of the previous posts correctly pointed out that people may be >willing to travel some distance to get a good buy on diesel cars and many >others would benefit from the price information to use as value points in >their local market where a dealer may not have

Re: [biofuel] Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Greg and April
Not me personaly, but, I'm finaly buying a house. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 09:04 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Intro and question > >Hi Y'all, > > > >I have been monitoring this list for awhile and although I

Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Greg and April
I wouldn't say that, I went all the way to Canada to get my '85 BJ60 Land Cruiser. Califorina may not be closer, but, for the most part you don't have to deal with U.S. Customs or all the funkey forms to bring a vehical back. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PRO

RE: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread kirk
I live in Montana. I heard a fellow in the next town took the bus to California to pick up a vehicle he bought on Ebay. He evidently thought the hassle was worth it. Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:27 AM To: biofuel@

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel using acid catalyst

2003-02-02 Thread Appal Energy
Kavitha, You will have no visibly discernable biodiesel after conducting the acid side of an acid/base catlysis. The ethyl or methyl esters will remain homogenously mixed with the glycerides. Acid catalysis in this particular reaction, although the best method for converting free fatty acids to e

Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Steve Spence
I guess my main point is, if he wants to sell these vehicles, he should list them on his site, not in the group. But that's my opinion, not trying to set policy. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-tr

Re: [biofuel] Environmentally Friendly Vehicle confab kicks off

2003-02-02 Thread murdoch
I wonder if any of the Japanese or other major carmakers will have the audacity to feature any EVs at this conference, since they have gone well out of their to stop, and have succeeded in stopping, the making of any highway-capable EVs available to the American or other car-buying publics. Even

[biofuel] Status quo

2003-02-02 Thread Ben Hill
Hi all, My sincerest congratulations to any, however few, who start to question the status quo. if those few could just convince two others, & those converts convince just two more each. & if we could keep the momentum up, we might all have a chance to see our children & their children grow &

Re: [biofuel] More on acrylamide - Question

2003-02-02 Thread Craig Pech
We are having some lab testing done this week and I"m confused... I thought earlier posts warned us against acrolein, not acrylamide. Are these separate compounds? Do we need to test for both? Craig - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, F

Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Kris Book
It seems to me that anyone buying a car on this list, would buy it to run on biofuel and that can only help the cause. In my opinion, capitalism with a conscience is the best form of economics available. kris --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > k5farms wrote: > > >--- In biofuel@yaho

RE: [biofuel] Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express
www.tdiclub.com is the right place for this, there is a classified section where dealers routinely report on their current stock of TDIs. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biof

[biofuel] Sorghum or Seed Beer?

2003-02-02 Thread waljaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Slightly off topic, but no doubt there are many out there in 'Sorghum Country' making ethanol fuel that might know the answer. I have seen several mentions of a US homemade beer in the ginger ale category, where sorhum seed was added. Does anyone know the recipe? e.g. http://kentuckyexplorer.com

Re: [biofuel] Website for all the available models but no price reference!!

2003-02-02 Thread Tricia Liu
There are a list of available Diesel in US car market, http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html but as mentioned before. Only 1% American is driving a diesel because the gasoline prices are artificially cosmetically much lower than that in Europe. We pay 1.60/gallon in S.California an

Re: [biofuel] More on acrylamide - Question

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
>We are having some lab testing done this week and I"m confused... > >I thought earlier posts warned us against acrolein, not acrylamide. Are >these separate compounds? Do we need to test for both? > >Craig No Craig, no cause for concern about acrylamide with biodiesel or SVO. It was a side-issu

Re: [biofuel] Intro and question

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
Jack, and all Seems there's more in favour than not, seems also those not in favour wouldn't mind too much, so please go right ahead. Also note what Ryan said: >www.tdiclub.com is the right place for this, there is a classified section >where dealers routinely report on their current stock of

RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel using acid catalyst

2003-02-02 Thread girl mark
Kavitha, If you use KOH insteaed of NaOH, you will find that the KOH is more soluble in ethanol than NaOH and makes an excellent base catalyst... although the soap formation you describe is likely to be caused by something other than the solubility of NaOH in ethanol. Ethanol is simply difficul

[biofuels-biz] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14959 Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? By Jim Motavalli, E Magazine January 16, 2003 Whether or not hydrogen becomes "the people's energy" depends to a large extent on how it is generated and transported in the current, early stages of development.

Re: [biofuels-biz] Space shuttle

2003-02-02 Thread Andrew Lowe
Not to belittle what has happened, but a little something to put the shuttle incident into context http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122251403.html Regards, Andrew Lowe On 2 Feb 2003 at 0:02, Hakan Falk wrote: > > > This is a very very sad day. > > H

[biofuels-biz] Babington Vegetable Oil Burner Updates

2003-02-02 Thread Steve Spence
New changes, new pictures. Cleaner Burning, Higher output. No smoke, no carbon buildup. Heat your house, garage, or hot water. Even make a steam generator from new or used vegetable oil. http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/babington Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy News

[biofuels-biz] More on acrylamide

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
See archives for previous. Keith http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2702241.stm BBC NEWS | Health | Wednesday, 29 January, 2003, 10:29 GMT Food chemical cleared of cancer link Chips are among the foods containing acrylamide High levels of a chemical found in foods such as chips, crisps and b

[biofuels-biz] Africa 'turns from leaded petrol'

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2689209.stm BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Friday, 24 January, 2003, 12:03 GMT Africa 'turns from leaded petrol' By Alex Kirby BBC News Online environment correspondent In a move which promises significant gains for public health, most of Africa is expected to

[biofuels-biz] Environmentally Friendly Vehicle confab kicks off

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nb20030124a6.htm The Japan Times Online Environmentally Friendly Vehicle confab kicks off The first International Meeting on Environmentally Friendly Vehicles opened Thursday in Tokyo as part of global efforts to develop greener vehicles and fi

Re: [biofuels-biz] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?

2003-02-02 Thread Appal Energy
Amazing how this lie is continually trotted out year after year. Where do these people think the energy comes from to mine, refine,transport and expend nuclear fuel? The exact same fossil fuel sources that are used to build the infrastructure to store the waste. Nuclear power is not CO2 free and

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Environmentally Friendly Vehicle confab kicks off

2003-02-02 Thread murdoch
I wonder if any of the Japanese or other major carmakers will have the audacity to feature any EVs at this conference, since they have gone well out of their to stop, and have succeeded in stopping, the making of any highway-capable EVs available to the American or other car-buying publics. Even

[biofuels-biz] (fwd) Fuel-Road-Tax Ideas

2003-02-02 Thread murdoch
Robert Mills, et. al.: This idea was put forth by Dave Goldstein, a leading EV advocate, on the EV1 email discussion forum. On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:03:44 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Gas tax increase is an incentive for consumer purchases, but > it is also a disincentive for government t

Re: [biofuels-biz] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?

2003-02-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Todd >Amazing how this lie is continually trotted out year after year. > >Where do these people think the energy comes from to mine, >refine,transport and expend nuclear fuel? Um, the honest sweat of the CEO's brow? It's propaganda. To "succeed" all it needs is more public exposure over a l