Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think I should be concerned about
the latent energy from the atmosphere and count it as the input cost. The
input cost is what we need to do to make it work. Here in the real world
where I live I can buy 8221 Btu (2.383Kw) of electrical energy for about
It's interesting that in this thread so far nobody has
brought up Thermal Depolymerization...that's a pretty
cool technology that's in its infancy, but has
potential. There's a plant in the bible belt
somewhere that's been using butterball turkey offal as
a base material...
Jason Katie wrote:
BD a dollar more than DD? what a crock. if we can do it in our collective
garage for less than a dollar a gallon why cant they do it in a huge
super-specialized facility for even less? man, these corporate types are
dumber than i thought...and i figured they were they
Wes Moore wrote:
Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think I should be
concerned about the latent energy from the atmosphere and count it
as the input cost. The input cost is what we need to do to make it
work. Here in the real world where I live I can buy 8221 Btu
(2.383Kw) of
Not politically correct, in a couple cases.
Bumper Stickers for 2007
At Least Nixon Resigned
Let's Fix Democracy in This Country First
If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran
Bush. Like a Rock. Only Dumber
If You Can Read This,
Interesting cross-post from another list...
-Weaver
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besides, the last energy bill handed the oil companies 10 Billion with a
B to, uh, get more.
Kurt Nolte wrote:
Jason Katie wrote:
BD a dollar more than DD? what a crock. if we can do it in our collective
garage for less than a dollar a gallon why cant they do it in a huge
Hi Keith: I am afraid egos have entered this discussion.
The reality I see from all of the objections is some folks would like to be
physicists. I think being a good physicist requires extreme depth. The
objections I have seen are valid to understand where the extra energy is
coming from. Once
Wes Moore wrote:
Hi Keith: I am afraid egos have entered this discussion.
Egos, hm.
The reality I see from all of the objections is some folks would like to be
physicists. I think being a good physicist requires extreme depth.
LOL!
Clearly I'm right out of my depth here Wes.
I'll just leave
'Lo Weaver
What a load of bollocks. Pardon me, but it's a little hard to find
something he didn't get wrong. Regarding substantiation of that (a)
please see the archives and (b) citing A climatologist I heard
(don't recall his name, but he's well respected in his field) said
that... doesn't
Wait... you make an economic arguement for why not to count the thermal
input, then claim that engineers designed it based on economics, not
physics? I've got two engineering degrees, and was always taught that the
laws of physics govern how stuff works. Economics is so inconsistent
depending
Hi Robert and Benita,
Lovely letter.
I heard his remarks this morning (Thursday) about the capacity of the
American people to forget, and I'm offended that he would think me
stupid enough to forget what happened that day.
I will NEVER forget September 11th! I was in Washington that day.
I saw
As it should be. This is great news. I hope other states follow
through with similar legislation. As the sweet crude and foreign crude
runs low and the price goes up, eventually Canada's oil will be worth
more anyways. Why sell it now. Better to wait until you have the world
over a barrel
Zeke
I think one thing that trumps the laws of physics are results. Physics, as
the heat pump example explains identifies where the mysterious energy comes
from. From there I think an intelligent engineer would proceed accepting
this gift of energy and create the system to operate accordingly.
Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per Kwh? (yes don't forget the
hours unit, or are you taking almost 3 hours to do this work?) I pay 6
cents or near a third of that. Where do you live man?
Joe
Wes Moore wrote:
Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think I should be concerned
Yes in all cases I have referred to KW hours. But you are right this does
not take into account the few minutes of operation that would be wasted at
start up for each cycle. I have set my t stat to 1 cycle per hour so this
is not as much of a concern as I sometimes see up to 5 or 7cycles per hour
LOL
Joe I live in Ontario as well, my calculations are derived from adding in
PST, GST, Delivery charge, Debt Retirement, Administration charge and
anything else they seem to add to our bill.
I simply divide the total bill with the number of kilowatts consumed. It
varies between 18 to 15
Zeke
Sorry Wes, I can't allow this to continue. Your reasoning may seem to
you to have an internal logic but it's circular, without support in
the real world, it vanishes up its own orifice.
According to all definitions of over-unity and free energy except
your own, you've failed to produce
The Push behind the Surge
By Jim Lobe and Michael Flynn | January 11, 2007
Neoconservatives and their allies are practically the only supporters
of the surge idea to send more troops to Iraq. But this doesn't
seem to bother the president, who was given a brand new blueprint for
victory last
The involvment of Lieberman and McCain certainly hints that Israel is
one of the hands in the glove for sending more troops.
On 1/12/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Push behind the Surge
By Jim Lobe and Michael Flynn | January 11, 2007
Neoconservatives and their allies are
From http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/10/media-surge-escalation/
Media Misleading Americans By Using 'Surge' To Describe Bush Policy
Research compiled by ThinkProgress shows that when surge was first
adopted by the mainstream media in November 2006, the term was
specifically defined as a
I'd like to take this opportunity that I am the only one on this list
with Diplomatic Immunity to the Laws of Physics.
-Weaver
Keith Addison wrote:
Zeke
Sorry Wes, I can't allow this to continue. Your reasoning may seem to
you to have an internal logic but it's circular, without
This pendulum is not new, the Amish have used a similar device to pump water
for years. Thier system uses a flow of say 1 cubic foot of water falling a
distance of 1 foot - to elevate a much smaller volume uphill 40 feet as time
is on thier side, periods of low water use slowly fills a storage
Thankyou Frank. It needs vigilance eh? Just mindless or slimy with
it, d'you think? Not that it makes much difference I suppose. So much
for the 4th estate, or at least the owned portion of it. FAIR is also
covering this:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3029
Debating the Iraq Surge on PBS
Joe some people pay even more. Thats why I am so tickled to see the rate on my
daughters house in Oregon to be 4 1/2 cents. Helps being within 10 miles of
McNary Dam :)
Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per
Kwh? (yes don't forget the hours unit, or are
Makes me think we should get a bunch of T-shirts printed with a slogan
like Secure the commons! *
( Made from organic hemp of course).
Joe
* This message has been brought to you by 'the common man' all rights
reserved. Your individual rights may vary or be illusory depending on
the
Actually I'm paying the same as Wes. I was only thinking of the
generation rate. I forgot about those decrepit nuclear reactors we have
to pay to keep blundering along...
J
Kirk McLoren wrote:
Joe some people pay even more. Thats why I am so tickled to see the
rate on my daughters house
From your link Keith,
. . . sending additional troops to Iraq—a position endorsed by 12
percent of the public, according to the most recent polling (USA
Today/Gallup, 1/5-7/07). (In another question, Gallup did find 36
percent support for Bush's plan to increase troops—but only when the
increase
Speaking of fun films, I just saw the 1976 film
Network and would highly recommend it.
--- doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I get that movie out occasionally, check it out
again. one of the few
that I'll watch again from time to time. Like
Powder, or The Green
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