Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-22 Thread Thomas Kelly
t; To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process") > > On Apr 21, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > > >> I suspect I'm not done asking for help though. > > > After a bit of poking

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-21 Thread Keith Addison
>On Apr 21, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > > > > I suspect I'm not done asking for help though. > > >After a bit of poking around, I see the best place >to start is (surprise!) Journey to Forever: > > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual6-7.html > > > >JtoF

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-21 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 21, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > I suspect I'm not done asking for help though. After a bit of poking around, I see the best place to start is (surprise!) Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/ manual6-7.html JtoF really is an a

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-21 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 21, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote: How much sprouted grain : total starch? Probably better to err on the side of too much rather than too little. My notes on mashing corn are all packed away now, but you should be able to learn the details from appropriate Google searches (eg,

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-21 Thread Thomas Kelly
done asking for help though. Tom - Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-21 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 21, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > Why buy enzymes, when sprouting some grain produces the > enzymes needed to digest starch in unsprouted grains, sweet > potatoes, or Jerusalem artichokes. > Have I got it right? Yup, at least that's how i see it. Traditionally the sprouted gra

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-21 Thread Thomas Kelly
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process") > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > > >> Can I bypass sprouting by using enzymes (bacterial amylase) on cracke

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-20 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > Can I bypass sprouting by using enzymes (bacterial amylase) on cracked > grain to break the starch in grain into simple (fermentable) sugars? > Somewhere down the line, if all goes well, I will probably move > towards > other feedstocks that a

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-20 Thread Thomas Kelly
sprouting will not be an option Thanks, Tom - Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-19 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > My questions go to point that you were able to achieve 95+% > completion, > and the fact that, in practice, we would like to maximize ethanol > output as > well as achieving complete sugar utilization. Google "Gert Strand" -- they make a

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-19 Thread Thomas Kelly
f > ethanol. so we must have cheaper source of fermentable sugar. Nick Dhana > > >>From: Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Pr

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-19 Thread Thomas Kelly
ood luck with the "$%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] strawbale house" Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Proce

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread NV Dhana
ists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process") >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:58:58 -0700 > > >On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > > >>Is it actually possible for a person to p

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Is it actually possible for a person to produce 99+% pure ethanol using readily available materials, and at reasonable cost, or must it be produced on an industrial scale? Are any of you making it "in your backyard"? I have actually mad

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread Thomas Kelly
Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process") ROFL. Sorry I guess I should have gone to bed before 3 am last nighter this mor

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread Joe Street
ROFL. Sorry I guess I should have gone to bed before 3 am last nighter this morning. Ahh coffee Sorry Tom. Joe PS Did u recover the ethanol from the keg? ;^> Thomas Kelly wrote: Hey Joe, How many times have I asked you not to call me Jim? Actually, it's quite an honor

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process") I am very keen to get off the meth also Jim. I have by no means given up or anything, just haven't got to it yet. I did collect some et

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread Joe Street
I am very keen to get off the meth also Jim. I have by no means given up or anything, just haven't got to it yet. I did collect some ethanol but didn't get as far as you with the sieves. Read up on using corn grits which looks very promising. I should push myself to get some progress on it.

[Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel "New Process")

2007-04-18 Thread Thomas Kelly
Hello Pannir and Keith, Pannir has indicated that he is interested the use of ethanol instead of methanol to make ethyl esters because methanol is not readily available in some developing countries. While methanol is available to me, my supplier just quoted a price of $4.41/gal (USD)