Why? Simple - I need to draw circles, squares, and lines in a web page. g
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Francis Hemsher
Sent: Fri 9/2/2005 9:25 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] The Worm Has Turned ?
Reading
! This is so funny...bubbles boxes will launch SVG.
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Why? Simple - I need to draw circles, squares, and lines in a web
page. g
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Francis Hemsher
Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see anything new on the Adobe
site nor any specific reaffirmation of support...just a
facelift/redesign of the site with the same content.
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Don't assume that vectorized screencaps won't look like garbage when scaled...I
think you're looking at the wrong technology for this.
What is the software written in?
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Sent: Friday, July
want to
create a dependency for an SVG plug-in on the client side, but who knows
what the future would bring if IE ever supported it natively. We don't
need much more than SVG Tiny support.
Rick Bullotta
VP, Manufacturing Applications Solutions Mgmt.
SAP Labs, LLC
http://www.sap.com/manufacturing
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Sent: Sun 7/24/2005 7:06 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Native SVG Support in IE8
OK, we all know this isn't in the plans...but maybe, just MAYBE - a well
executed, POSITIVELY SPUN, e-mail and press/media campaign upped
Well said - but unless we try, we'll never know...but between VML, XAML/WVG,
this isn't a huge task for them and would help dispel some of the distaste for
standards non support.
Standards are like toothbrushes - everyone knows they need one, but do not
want to use someone else's...
- Rick
OK, we all know this isn't in the plans...but maybe, just MAYBE - a well
executed, POSITIVELY SPUN, e-mail and press/media campaign upped the pressure
on MS to support SVG Tiny 1.1 (the code is 90% done - just retool VML!), with
pressure from users, corporate customers, ISV's, media pundits,
against the
implementation (halfway). It would be still better to use the adobe
svg-viewer, which at least tries to implement the svg-rec. to a great
extent..
Omar
Rick Bullotta wrote:
OK, we all know this isn't in the plans...but maybe, just MAYBE - a well
executed, POSITIVELY SPUN, e-mail
I doubt that IE7 will, because Microsoft does not implement open
standards unless they absolutely have to.
That's not entirely a fair assessment. I think the motivation is more
commercial than peer pressure. I think their support of RSS in
Longhorn is a great step forward. Microsoft's SVG
joke
Reminds me of one of my favorite signs in a bar...
Free Beer Tomorrow
/joke
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:25 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
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I'll check it out tonight (with a beer in my hand)! Thanks for the
heads up. Is browser-SVG scripting support enabled?
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Any fixes in this area would only come as part of a major new release
if/when such a major new release were issued
Well, that's unambiguously ambiguous g.
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(Unfolding my lawn chair, opening a beer, and preparing to enjoy the
fireworks... ; )
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of tbone58x
Sent: Mon 6/20/2005 8:07 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] SVG vs XAML?
It is my
Don - do you know offhand if Acrylic exports to SVG?
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Has anyone
At first glance, one missing item is the media-type attribute to set the SVG
mime type. Also, don't forget to add the mime type mapping to your web server.
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of theomulriain
Sent: Sat 5/28/2005 7:17 PM
To:
Ronan:
Can you summarize the SVG-T/SVG-B/SVG-everything
compliance/compatibility proposed for FF/Mozilla?
Thanks!
- Rick
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Schweet. I'd love to see it happen!
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Andreas, while I share your frustration, I've come to the conclusion that
group think tends to take something that is elegant in its simplicity (the
core of SVG) and make it unimplementable in its complexity. I've been
involved in standards work (in manufacturing, not web standards) and have
Uhh, yeah. I'm sure a lot of new and significant SVG initiatives will
get funded post-Macromedia. Not!
Actually, Flex, or something conceptually similar to Flex may have been
SVG's salvation. Tightly bound with data services. The biggest mistake
with SVG, in my opinion, is people trying to
Good stuff, Antoine. Let's hope it is true...question is, why isn't
this type of information front and center on Adobe's market
positioning? Either they need a new marketing team or there's more to
the story...
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List price, yes, but much lower for OEM. I think development licenses
are free? Not certain, but thought they were. In any case, we're going
to continue to focus on SVG in the near term and see how things play
out.
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Not that it matters much, but FWIW, the activity in the Yahoo Flex group
has been about 5X the activity of this group...mostly more technical
issues/question, but nevertheless, I've noticed it ramping up
substantially in the past few weeks. Any SVG'ers giving a serious look
at Flex? At XAML?
SharpVectorGraphics can convert the SVG to a bitmap image, which you can
then print.
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Subject: [svg-developers]
Render it server-side using Batik or SharpVectorGraphics and stream it to the
treo as an image (PNG, JPG, etc.).
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of tbone58x
Sent: Sat 5/7/2005 6:45 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers]
Try something like:
x = xmldoc.childNodes.item(0).childNodes.item(0).firstChild.nodeValue;
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In your servlet, are you handling the parameter as a string or as an integer?
Perhaps you have some parsing code in the servlet that doesn't like the h2004
value. Trace it in your servlet and see what value it is receiving.
From:
I personally prefer an XML approach using something like:
...
res.setContentType(text/xml);
...
out.println(Data);
out.print(Value1);
out.print(_val1);
out.print(/Value1);
out.print(Value2);
out.print(_val2);
out.print(/Value2);
out.print(Value3);
out.print(_val3);
out.print(/Value3);
No (maybe). Depends on what Adobe/Macromedia do together in the next
few months. I would suspect you'll definitely be able to embed one in
the other, or both in PDF, but that's only a guess.
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Don't disagree with the need, just with the fragmentation that is
occurring.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:08 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re:
Visio's SVG export is, ahem, not that great. Particularly, it doesn't
make it very addressable via scripting or the DOM (there's no way to
control the ID's for shapes/entities). Also, the SVG that is exported
is almost unintelligible unless, instead of exporting the whole drawing,
you select the
Sent you a message off-list looking for examples/docs of setting element
ID's in Visio and preserving them in the export. This would make a good
how-to in the SVG Wiki.
Thanks!
- Rick
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Amen to that. Why the world needs another drop down combo box implementation,
I'll never understand g. To be fair, it is because of the disconnectedness
of things like SVG and XForms and the limited capabilities of XForms that such
things are necessary. There needs to be a W3C initiative (if
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Holger Will
Sent: Sat 4/30/2005 5:00 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Enterprise Application Use of Flash
Rick Bullotta wrote:
Interesting press release.
http://www.sap.com
We agree g.
A number of large chemical companies are using some of our SVG-based
technology to deliver dashboard information from SAP and plant
applications to users. At present, we do all of the SVG rendering on
the server side due to issues surrounding availability of built-in SVG
capabilities
The correct expression is:
if(windows == shit())
use(linux);
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To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: a problem
Interesting press release.
http://www.sap.com/company/press/press.epx?PressID=4519
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be the chance of a universally useful
solution, and without some of the warts and overhead that have found
there way into some of the various W3C specs.
But that's just my opinion...
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)
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Oops. Wrong Mike. Confused you with Mike of Macromedia fame. In any
case, why the stress? Bad for you.
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From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:15 PM
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The verbage from the Adobe web site (acquisition FAQ's) is as follows:
How does this affect Adobe's support of SVG (scalable vector
graphics)?
Both Adobe and Macromedia have been involved in defining SVG and both
were part of the W3C working group that defined SVG. The combined
company will
times in which we live...
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Christian Wenz
Sent: Mon 4/18/2005 4:44 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Adobe to buy Macromedia
just in case you
Just remember, there's a world of difference between live and
thrive...
Also realize that there aren't any XML-based declarative vector graphics
in Flex/Flash (yet), to the best of my knowledge, so SVG does, indeed,
fill a gap that is quite complementary to Flex/Flash. It wouldn't
bother me a
Interestingly, the mobile market was one of the reasons that Adobe made
its move. I wouldn't assume that the SVG position in mobile is safe or
secure.
One could argue that the big boys may well prefer to deal with
companies like Adobe (+Macromedia) in terms of delivering rich content
to small
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Subject: Re: [svg-developers] SVG Support in the JRE
Rick Bullotta wrote:
An interesting idea occurred to me today that might once and for all
help address the issue of proliferating SVG into the desktop. What
if Sun (perhaps as the result of a JCP effort) included Batik in the
JRE
Most of that is probably loading Batik itself and support
libraries...how long do subsequent renderings take? Also, there were
some startup optimizations added to Batik 1.6 that might help.
We get excellent performance from Batik, but our SVG files are much
smaller and simpler. Actually, 552KB
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Hello Friends,
To all
Dean Jackson wrote:
You're effectively implementing a virtual machine for SVG on a device
with limited processing power while your competitors are doing it
natively.
Well, I can't necessarily agree, given than neither Adobe nor Microsoft
has delivered anything new and native in quite some
After this type of divisiveness, must we wonder why SVG is having
trouble gaining significant traction...?
ANYTHING that gets SVG used is a net gain at this point, irregardless
of whose viewer, whose drawing tools, or on what platform.
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I second that motion! How will we ever get Microsoft on board with all
this squabbling? g
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Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:03 PM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
What about rasterizing the SVG and embedding the resultant image?
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From: Rerun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:21 PM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] PHP, SVG, PDF
I've started, with some success, writing a php
You'll want to write an ASP.NET class that implements IHttpHandler. This is
essentially the .NET equivalent of a servlet.
Rick Bullotta
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)
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From: Jan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:01 AM
Use getURL. Your HttpHandler will to map to a URL something like:
http://yourserver/YourHandler?timestamp=2005-02-01T12:15:00dataset=XXX
ASP.Net runs under IIS and exposes your handlers this way.
You can return data as text, XML, whatever.
I would suggest moving the discussion to the
There's a surprisingly simply way to rule out (or rule in?) DHTML that I've
used in the past:
1) Do you need any shapes other than rectangular, that wouldn't be easily
provided as static images
2) Do you need to draw vertical or diagonal lines connecting elements?
If any of the above, you're
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It certainly seems like Adobe is really pulling back from SVG in a large
way.
No (visible) significant work in the area in quite some time, marginal
interoperability with Firefox, and so on.
Quite a shame. I've always said that native SVG support in the browser
would be the only way to
Agree almost completely. The foundation for all success is ubiquitous or
native browser support. Period. Flash succeeds because it can run just
about anywhere in anything.
http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/
Without that type of broad based support, SVG may never get
Anyone interested in an example of this? If so, I can post some source code
an HTML page on how to use LiveConnect to do a few cool things.
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That should be fine. Buffer your data on the server side and chunk it
down, and you should be OK.
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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:18 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: servlet and
Performance, functionality, reliability... g
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From: dvknvarma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:04 PM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] advantages with 1.5 over 1.1
Hi,
I am new SVG world.Presently in our
Pat:
What version is included in Acrobat Reader 7.X? I had quite a few problems
after installing 7.X, and had to go back and manually over-install 3.0.2
to get things working properly again...
Any insights?
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)
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,
support for inline base64 encoded images using the data: URI format, and a
couple other goodies.
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)
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From: scasquiov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:39 PM
To: svg-developers
performance criteria in all of our real-time
GUI
tools is not refresh rate but transmission speed.
Ronan
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 12:08, Rick Bullotta wrote:
I think the bottom line is that a solution involving ASV, inside a
browser, with a real-time 100Hz update, is highly unlikely
to the SVG. Crashola.
In Firefox, the tag doesn't work at all. The Click Here to Download
Plugin icon is displayed.
Very disappointed that PDF Reader 7's SVG support is so buggy in BOTH
browsers...
Anyone with similar experiences/insights?
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http
I think the bottom line is that a solution involving ASV, inside a browser,
with a real-time 100Hz update, is highly unlikely, but custom solutions using
Batik, SharpVectorGraphics, or Mobiform may be possible.
svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi,
You could probably feed
Here's some info for you:
http://www-bd.fnal.gov/synoptic/
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From: Rick Bullotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:17 PM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [svg-developers] Re: real time data publishing using servlets
I
Depends on the sweep range of the needle as well. Math for your rotation
angle would be:
sweepspan = sweepmax - sweepmin
sweepmin + sweepspan * (value - minrange) / (maxrange - minrange)
Use this to set the appropriate rotation transform for the needle object,
assuming the needle's natural
gauges (approximately 50-60 shapes plus a few
text objects) at a rate on the order of 16 per second.
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)
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From: Thomas DeWeese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:37 PM
To: [EMAIL
on the .NET platform and Batik in Java environments.
Hope that gives you some idea of what it possible!
Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)
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From: A.M.Shourbagui [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:09 AM
To: [EMAIL
Fear not, nothing heinous. I share the same concerns you do. I think it is
ridiculous some of the patents that have been applied for (and granted). It
bugs me to no end. I've seen things like the SCO suit which is a last-ditch
desperation move by a dying company, and the many ridiculous
If I were them, however, I would be greatly concerned about intellectual
property issues when releasing a product that, by definition, clones the
XAML API's. Hopefully they have a patent/IP licensing deal in place with
Microsoft. Otherwise, they'll be soon dispensed with...
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Good approach. The long term value is certainly in the authoring/app
development tools. That's where I think you could definitely succeed.
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