RE: t-and-f: Not Kidding, and more contrived event ideas...

Hi again Ryan, The Shot Put is already going down those lines. What about the "silly" rule of having to locate the shot against the neck. Isn't that contrived also?? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ryan Grote Sent: 17 January 2001

RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

Hi Ryan, You wrote: . All these things are silly, and not the best means to achieving the goal of the pursuit or event. I say, Ok I take your point. So lets remove the hurdles, lets allow high jumpers use a pole, remove the steeple barriers, remove the restrictions in the

RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

Kurt, I concur. By the way do all those runners not realise that they've got where they want to go after one lap??? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kurt Bray Sent: 17 January 2001 22:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f:

t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

This is probably a naive question but it's my understanding that it doesn't matter how it got in there. So, when do they start purging performances, taking away medals, etc? National Post Online.url

Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

In a message dated 1/17/01 8:21:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you can hurdle as fast as you possibly can and you are still a hurdler. unless you knock down too many hurdles; then you're a DNF or DQ Jim Gerweck Running Times

Re: t-and-f: how far the women's vault has come

To those who think RWing is contrived on a 400 oval or the roads, wtach it on a steeply banked 11-lap try like MSG's. Gravity seems to be winning over momentum. Jim Gerweck Running Times

Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

In a message dated 1/18/01 4:52:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: let’s remove the rule about bouncing the basketball (how silly can you get? surely the goal would be best served by letting the player just carry the ball under his/her arm). Wouldn't that be Gaelic football then? Jim Gerweck

Re: t-and-f: the Rankings

Ed wrote: Conway wrote: Just an across the board fairness that works for everyone .. To go back to an examp[le some one used regarding Carl Lewis and Mike Powell .. Carl won the biggest honor .. However Powell ruled head to head (against the world) and had the best sequence of marks

Re: t-and-f: the Rankings

Conway wrote: Actually Ed I still think it is easy .. Because in this case each competitor competed in close to the maximum events possible .. One can only compete in a few quality marathons a year .. But how many? Some coaches would say only one, and have their athlete run in say, the

t-and-f: Name dilemma

Netters: Computers have been a boon to getting quick and accurate results from track and field meets, but sometimes they are a problem. One such matter has arisen in Morris County (NJ) in relation to a promising girl pole vaulter named Samantha Crook from Randolph HS Samantha is

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

Martin wrote: This is probably a naive question but it's my understanding that it doesn't matter how it got in there. So, when do they start purging performances, taking away medals, etc? Actually I've had the same question for some time ... What happened behind the wall is

Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

In a message dated Wed, 17 Jan 2001 9:56:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose when dealing with the same intellectual and emotional mind sets that produced such lovely concepts as racism, bigotry, anti semitism, sexual discrimination, religious persecution and

Re: t-and-f: the Rankings

Ed wrote: Conway wrote: Actually Ed I still think it is easy .. Because in this case each competitor competed in close to the maximum events possible .. One can only compete in a few quality marathons a year .. But how many? Some coaches would say only one, and have their athlete

Re: t-and-f: John McDonnell

This happened last Sunday. I spoke with Mildred 3 days ago and she siad coach is fine and resting comfortably. He will be released from the hospital tomorrow. You can't keep a good hog down. Scott Davis

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

Conway asks: Actually I've had the same question for some time ... What happened behind the wall is no longer a mystery, and has not been for quite some time now .. Why were Ben Ohnson's marks so quickly taken out .. But so many others left on the books ?? It has definitely made it very

Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

In a message dated 1/18/01 6:59:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: unless you knock down too many hurdles; then you're a DNF or DQ You can knock down every hurdle, as long as your hands do not touch it. Nice try, but this is not true. To stray into this exercises of

Re: t-and-f: where are the jumpers (was Top 10 lists?

In a message dated Wed, 17 Jan 2001 9:30:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ever happened to the US in the Jumps? Only the Pole Vault with rankers? Anyone have any Ideas? Just so everybody understands the significance of this crisis (and I use that word with no

RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

Hi All I disagree. False starts are measured by sensitive equipment, every single throw is watched closely by several judges watching for specific infractions of the rules, following every jump a strip of plasticine is scrutinised very closely by a judge. The criteria ARE closely adhered to.

t-and-f: THE BOARDS!

Netters jim observed: To those who think RWing is contrived on a 400 oval or the roads, watch it on a steeply banked 11-lap try like MSG's. Gravity seems to be winning over momentum. Indeed Jim excellent observation. Milrose is a special event for walkers as it is for many other events.

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

I told you it was Danny Everett at 44 flat in Seoul '88. You dare question my expertise? I am offended, dear sir! LOL Seriously, I believe it is 44 flat from Seoul, with Jerome's lead off from NY '98 44.2 being the next fastest. The G.O.A.T.

RE: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

Hi, The fastest split-time I have for 4x400m in my database for leg 1 is 43,79 by Danny Everett in Seoul-88 and for leg 2 is a tie between 43,1 by Antonio Pettigrew in Athens-97 and Quincy Watts in Barcelona-92. Take a look at http://www.algonet.se/~pela2/mtrack/m4x400ok.htm It can have been

t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

I was wondering if someone could pass along to me the two fastest lead off legs in 4x400m relay history. The first two people that came to mind were Danny Everett and Jerome Young. I was not certain but 44.2 and 44.4 were the times that stick in my head. I would like to know for sure. DMC Who

Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

The examples you bring up Justin are unfair to the walks, and to the judges that have to administer the rules. Like referee's you can only call what you see, and all else is part of the game. Even in track, the absolute does not guarantee compliance. Toe fouls in all field events are a common

Re: t-and-f: where are the jumpers (was Top 10 lists?

LJ--first year EVER without a Ranker. And since it's said that George Washington jumped 23-feet, you probably need to go back to about 1722 to find a year where an American wouldn't have ranked, had we been in business then. That the U.S. in trouble in this event was obvious by the Olympic

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 1:29:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wondering if someone could pass along to me the two fastest lead off legs in 4x400m relay history. The first two people that came to mind were Danny Everett and Jerome Young. I was not

t-and-f: XC Trivia

The IAAF first staged a World Junior Championships in XC back in 1973. That first year, the winner was Jim Brown of Scotland (who)? and the team winner was Spain. The next four years, the team winner was the US (really!). For $64,000, name those winners! . . . . . . . . . I'm sure everyone

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why were Ben Ohnson's marks so quickly taken out .. But so many others left on the books ?? It has definitely made it very tough on the women who are trying to achieve greatness

RE: t-and-f: XC Trivia

In the '76 race Hulst and Hunt went 1-2 and the fifth finisher was someone folks might have heard of... Alberto Salazar. Kinda helped the US cause that in those days there were no Kenyans, Ethiopians, Moroccans and South Africans around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: t-and-f: XC Trivia

In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 3:42:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Post, Marty" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kinda helped the US cause that in those days there were no Kenyans, Ethiopians, Moroccans and South Africans around. Yeah, Jon Entine hadn't invented them yet! :-) gh

Re: t-and-f: new training method

They have a 3 second head start before the coach throws a small alligator in the pool. the kids are in no danger of being eaten, but they could get bitten. I knew that the Aussies are desperate to beat the Americans in big swim meets, but this is getting carried away. So what would be the

RE: t-and-f: XC Trivia

Can anyone post a long-term progression of the WJR's for men for the Steeple, 5k and 10k? Franklyn Sanchez (who ran the WJCCC last year) and Ritzenhein are as good as the four Americans who won back in the 70's ... maybe better. But, Kenya has juniors over the last few years that have broken

RE: t-and-f: starting (was Racewalking MumboJumbo

In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 1:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, Justin Clouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 10 years ago Dennis Mitchell's un-called false start at the 91 World's led to a change in the rules following a long debate. Unfortunately, a mere change in the rules hasn't been

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 4:10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Ryan Grote" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about fastest NCAA 4x4 anchor? Is it Quincy Watts in '92? I dunno. How about Angelo Taylor? Or how about fastest collegiate anchor period? Nehemiah at Penn? NCAA Champs

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

Mac wrote: I was wondering if someone could pass along to me the two fastest lead off legs in 4x400m relay history. The first two people that came to mind were Danny Everett and Jerome Young. I was not certain but 44.2 and 44.4 were the times that stick in my head. I would like to know for

RE: t-and-f: starting (was Racewalking MumboJumbo

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so threatened by the Starter's Union we'd hate to remove the discretion for telling us about false starts from the starter? There are a lot more people wanting to be starters than there are races to start... Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign,

Re: t-and-f: where are the jumpers (was Top 10 lists?

GH wrote: In a message dated Wed, 17 Jan 2001 9:30:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ever happened to the US in the Jumps? Only the Pole Vault with rankers? Anyone have any Ideas? Just so everybody understands the significance of this crisis (and I use that

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

GH wrote: How about fastest NCAA 4x4 anchor? Is it Quincy Watts in '92? I dunno. How about Angelo Taylor? Or how about fastest collegiate anchor period? Nehemiah at Penn? NCAA Champs fastest by leg: leadoff 45.0 STeve Lewis (UCLA) '88; second leg 44.2 Andrew Valmon (Seton Hall)

t-and-f: re: Racewalking MumboJumbo

gh and others, To come to Mike Rohl's defense, he was not calling Grote any of those things. What he said was that the close-minded, knee jerk reactions that cause Grote to hate the walks is the same mental makeup that leads to those other types of people, just in a more extreme way. Grote's

Re: t-and-f: re: Racewalking MumboJumbo

Grote's comments, and those of others, that denigrate the walks are based upon pure ignorance and childish ideals of what is "manly" in TF I walked a 3km indoors last winter. It was a painful test of my manhood. I flunked, so I am going to stick to running. It is easier. Derderian

Re: t-and-f: new training method

I just ordered two cheetah's online from www.getyerfreecats.net I'm sure my kids will be doin' some movin'. Steve S. In an effort to make the kids swim as fast as possible, the kids dive in and start swimming to the other end. They have  a 3 second head start before the coach throws a small

t-and-f: Fwd: Travis Landreth

This is a forwarded message from Will Clark, the roommate of Travis Landreth. Will is the son of Bill Clark, who placed fifth in the 1972 U.S. Olympic Trials 10,000 meters in Eugene, Oregon. Please see the forwarded message below. Keith Conning Vacaville Hi Ken, I was wondering if you

t-and-f: Los Angeles Invitational Info

Forward any comments, etc to Don Franken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles F. Wandler, list error handler, t-and-f lists, Univ of Oregon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:42:30 -0700 From: don franken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Los Angeles