Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: by way of context, New York State and some NY counties have cases where there are roads maintained by the state or county that do not have numberedsigned route designations. these roads have numbers assigned administratively (reference routes)

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Mike N.
so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? I would say no - because the ref tag can generate route shields. I would be very confused if the county road

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 9:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: IMHO the ref-tag describes the reference, not a sign, therefore to tag them it doesn't matter if the reference numbers are displayed laterally on signs or there is another source of getting them. Still if you say that those numbers (reference

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 9:31 AM, Mike N. wrote: so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? I would say no - because the ref tag can generate route shields. I

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Chris Hill
Richard Welty wrote: administratively, a reference route is no different from a conventional signed route number. from a practical point of view, you almost never see a reference route on a sign. what we come back to is tagging for the renderer, if we put the reference route designations

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 10:29 AM, Chris Hill wrote: Richard Welty wrote: administratively, a reference route is no different from a conventional signed route number. from a practical point of view, you almost never see a reference route on a sign. what we come back to is tagging for the renderer, if we put

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Pieren
You say numbers assigned administratively (reference routes) that do not appear on signs. which sounds like internal numbers which are never used by the public in any form. So nobody will say turn left and take the C29 for 2 kms... If this is the case, I would ask first if OSM is the right place

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Richard Welty wrote: so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? Those sort of 'internal reference numbers' are used heavily in New

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Chango640 chango...@gmail.com: Hi people. I'm sending this mail in order to propose a new feature for the tag landuse: gated communities. These are a type of private neighbourhoods that are very common in Argentina, Brazil and many other countries, and have a notorious difference

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: This is tagging the way, but at the node references. I let this go a couple of days to see if anyone would find any problems with doing this. It is one option for tagging width, but users would then still need to

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-02-03 06:19, Richard Welty wrote: ... so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? I would say the question is what happens when one of these routes is

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 4:33 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-02-03 06:19, Richard Welty wrote: ... so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? I would say the

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 07:24, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I guess...but this might be tricky for editors to deal with when way direction is reversed. Not really, think of the bits between nodes as segments, you apply the information to a segment, except width which is applied at the

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 07:22, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: It is one option for tagging width, but users would then still need to make some assumption about the direction in which width is measured (probably the bisection of the angle between previous/following nodes) and interpolate

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Chango640 chango...@gmail.com: I thought about using landuse=residential (which I'm already using in cities and towns), but here in Argentina there is a strong difference between ordinary neighbourhoods and gated communities. Yes, that's what you are expressing with the subtags

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 08:50, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIR the barrier=fence should not be applied to an area, what means in pratical to draw a second way atop the area limits (not really elegant). Another approach is to tag fenced=yes to the area (don't know if someone

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 4 February 2010 08:50, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIR the barrier=fence should not be applied to an area, what means in pratical to draw a second way atop the area limits (not really elegant). Another approach is to tag

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:31 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 07:24, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I guess...but this might be tricky for editors to deal with when way direction is reversed. Not really, think of the bits between nodes as

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:32 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 07:22, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: It is one option for tagging width, but users would then still need to make some assumption about the direction in which width is measured (probably

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 10:02, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Still feasible, but it is worth noting. This already happens in JOSM with ways when they are oneway=yes... slightly different, but there is already triggers for it... I know. But if you are happy with splitting (as I am), then

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: We will have to consider what to do about the fact that you'll end up with nested landuse=residential Simple: the tags on the inner polygon override those on the outer polygon.