Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

Re: a hamlet with houses several (=3) km away from the center of hamlet. I was thinking of a place like Horse Creek, California. This cemetery is at the northwest end of the valley ((https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/358805720/)), 4 km away from the center of the hamlet (https://www.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

I would guess that they could be: Austinville - place=hamlet Springbrook - place=village On 4/29/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 06:23, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> I cannot imagine houses that are several kilometers away being part of a >> hamlet, in a settlement se

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

> It's not mapping the entire range as such, but would is_in work here? > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is%20in?uselang=en-AU > natural=mountain_range > name=Main Range > is_in=Great Dividing Range Yes, that makes sense to me On 4/29/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 08:09, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Yes, make 2 separate ways. > Thanks! > I think it’s reasonable to map a mountain range as a linear way when this > can follow a continuous series of ridge crests. But a mountain range that > is split in 2 by a valley should be considered

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 06:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I cannot imagine houses that are several kilometers away being part of a > hamlet, in a settlement sense. Can you give an example please, maybe this > can occur in very low density areas? > I mentioned these the other week in discussions

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

Paul Allen writes: > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 21:23, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> I cannot imagine houses that are several kilometers away being part >> of a hamlet, in a settlement sense. Can you give an example please, >> maybe this can occur in very low density areas? > > Remote farms have

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 23:09, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: The most difficult thing here is probably finding a good name for that > relation type and for the "inside" and "near by but outside" roles. > multifuzzygon I'm not being entirely serious... -- Paul _

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

> You've suggested that when drawing a way that "The way should not cross streams, rivers or valleys". > > > How then do you handle gaps in the range? eg Main Range stretches from > here, south to there, & is crossed here by Cunningham's Gap, which includes > the east-west highway. Split the way,

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

* Tobias Knerr [190428 14:31]: > On 28.04.19 13:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> "A place=hamlet often lacks verifiable borders. Hamlets in farming areas >> often have scattered houses and farms extending outward for several >> kilometers. In this case the approximate center of the place may be >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - tag:Police

On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 04:18, Jan S wrote: > > So, I'm looking forward to your votes Done! Good luck :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 22:39, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I was considering making a proposal for natural=mountain_range, but > this tag is already in use over 603 times by over 84 different mappers > (for the nodes and ways; I didn't download relations). So I've made a > wiki page to describe the

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 5:16 PM Daniel Koć wrote: > I think there is a quite universal problem with mixing verifiability > with level of accuracy. You might not be able to show accurate borders, > but you can clearly verify that this is an area and not the node, for > example. This is why I'm try

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

W dniu 28.04.2019 o 11:43, Joseph Eisenberg pisze: > "Linear ways and areas can be non-verifiable if the geometry cannot be > demonstrated to be true or false by another mapper. It sounds like for some reason nodes are more verifiable. I believe this does not work that way. I see an assumption t

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 22:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > postal address and administrative belonging are one (or two ;-) ) things, > being part of a settlement another. Every place will be inside an > administrative entity, but in doesn’t necessarily mean it is also part of > the settlement.

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

sent from a phone > On 28. Apr 2019, at 22:36, Paul Allen wrote: > > In the UK, historic (and perhaps no longer existent) parish boundaries play a > part in determining > which hamlet/village/town an isolated farm is regarded as being part of. At > least as far as its > postal address goes.

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

sent from a phone > On 28. Apr 2019, at 14:46, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > the aim of this would need to be to allow limiting > the recorded information to exactly what can verifiably be said about a > feature, not to add more non-verifiable data to disguise the > non-verifiable nature of

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 21:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I cannot imagine houses that are several kilometers away being part of a > hamlet, in a settlement sense. Can you give an example please, maybe this > can occur in very low density areas? > Remote farms have to be somewhere. At least

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

sent from a phone > On 28. Apr 2019, at 13:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > "A place=hamlet often lacks verifiable borders. Hamlets in farming areas > often have scattered houses and farms extending outward for several > kilometers. In this case the approximate center of the place may be > wel

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 3:24 PM Colin Smale wrote: > How about taking the maritime baseline (according to UNCLOS) as the location > of the rivermouth? Then it becomes both credible and verifiable, as the > baselines are deposited at the UN for the purposes of determining the limits > of territo

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On 2019-04-28 20:25, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Precisely the same quest for topologic perfection is responsible for the rule > that fixes the mouth of a river at its tidal limit - which gives rise to the > absurd result that the mouth of the Hudson River is at > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/909

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 7:39 AM Tobias Knerr wrote: > Yes, it's often not possible to agree on a precise border for these > features. But nevertheless, there are typically areas that are > definitely part of them, and other areas there are definitely not part > of them. > > The above is verifiable

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - tag:Police

Hi everyone, since the police facilities proposal had already been widely discussed, I hadn't expected much further comment on the stripped-down version consisting only of the police tag. That's why I'm already putting it to vote again. So, I'm looking forward to your votes and expect heavy

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sunday 28 April 2019, Christoph Hormann wrote: > [...] > > Seriously? > > Because one polygon is not a verifiable representation of a certain > feature you want to replace it with - drumroll - two polygons? I am sorry if that came across more dismissive than necessary - i was just quite taken

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sunday 28 April 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Is this first line a clear definition, or can it be improved? > > "Linear ways and areas can be non-verifiable if the geometry cannot > be demonstrated to be true or false by another mapper." While that is a correct statement it also applies to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 09:20, bkil wrote: > > Our word for changing_table=* is something like "diaper changer > [place]" ("pelenkázó") or more like "a place where you change > diapers", the word itself weakly implicates a separate room, although > this should not cause confusion. Interestingly, t

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On 4/28/19, Christoph Hormann wrote: > I don't really like the extension Joseph wrote on the Verifiability page > but not because i disagree with the general idea but because for my > taste it is too much *definition by example* which is a poor way of > communicating the concept in general. Examp

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On Sunday 28 April 2019, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > Yes, it's often not possible to agree on a precise border for these > features. But nevertheless, there are typically areas that are > definitely part of them, and other areas there are definitely not > part of them. I'd like to emphasize once more

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

I could remove some of my examples and some of the other that have been added since 2015, but I wonder if the page will still be understood by most people without examples? Perhaps we could move all the examples to a later section, so that the first part is relatively short and to the point? On 4

[Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

I was considering making a proposal for natural=mountain_range, but this tag is already in use over 603 times by over 84 different mappers (for the nodes and ways; I didn't download relations). So I've made a wiki page to describe the current use. But if there are people who would prefer I make a

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

28 Apr 2019, 14:31 by o...@tobias-knerr.de: > So the world's houses and farms can be (somewhat simplistically) divided > into 3 sets: > A: Verifiably part of the hamlet. > B: Verifiably not part of the hamlet. > C: May or may not be part of the hamlet. > > In my opinion, verifiability is not a val

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On 28.04.19 13:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > "A place=hamlet often lacks verifiable borders. Hamlets in farming areas > often have scattered houses and farms extending outward for several > kilometers. In this case the approximate center of the place may be > well-know, but the outer limits are no

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On 28/04/2019 10:43, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Please suggest any improvements to the wording or corrections: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability#Geometry Thanks for trying to improve the documentation, but unfortunately, trying to add more detail (including specifics about particul

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

28 Apr 2019, 13:38 by o...@tobias-knerr.de: > It also > doesn't make logical sense to me: If it were indeed impossible to > verifiably establish even an approximate boundary of the feature, how > can we verifiably establish the feature's center? > I think that examples given in this edit are go

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

On 28.04.19 11:43, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Please suggest any improvements to the wording or corrections: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability#Geometry I'm afraid I can't support the addition of this new rule. Yes, it's often not possible to agree on a precise border for these fe

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

+1 28 Apr 2019, 12:25 by bkil.hu...@gmail.com: > 👍 > > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:44 AM Joseph Eisenberg <> > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> I've added a new section to the Verifiability wiki page about mapping >> features with ways or areas whe

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

👍 On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:44 AM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've added a new section to the Verifiability wiki page about mapping > features with ways or areas when these geometries are not verifiable. > > This has been discussed here several times in the past few

[Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

I've added a new section to the Verifiability wiki page about mapping features with ways or areas when these geometries are not verifiable. This has been discussed here several times in the past few months, in regards to tags like natural=bay, natural=strait, place=*, and proposals like natural=me

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

As a non-native speaker, I did need to look up bureau_de_change before first using it back then, but it does not cause confusion for me anymore. The most common word in Hungarian for this is "money exchanger"/"money exchange" ("pénzváltó"/"pénzváltás"), and the clerks usually sit at a desk behind a