2016-03-08 12:06 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :
> They are official dealers, and sell both used and new cars of all those
> makes. Drool for yourself... http://www.louwmanexclusive.com/
>
> Anyway the point is that. despite the Belgian situation that Marc
> describes, examples where multiple brands are s
They are official dealers, and sell both used and new cars of all those
makes. Drool for yourself... http://www.louwmanexclusive.com/
Anyway the point is that. despite the Belgian situation that Marc
describes, examples where multiple brands are sold from the same
showroom. We cannot deny that it
2016-03-07 13:27 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :
> Have to? Is there some law or regulation in Belgium? Or is it a choice of
> the brands themselves?
it is the brands that impose this.
> My BMW dealer (in NL) also does Mini, from the same building, at the same
> desk (for maintenance anyway).
bec
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> So maybe we should not use brand=* on the "shop" itself, but something like
> product:car:brands=BMW;Mini to refer to the products, NOT to the external
> appearance of the shop. After all, we are not listing the individual
> products (there woul
On 8/03/2016 10:25 AM, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi,
Am 07.03.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
It is possible that some supermarkets would make their list of products
available electronically and thus provide an incentive for a clever
hacker to simply convert that to OSM. Once we say we accep
Hi,
Am 07.03.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
> It is possible that some supermarkets would make their list of products
> available electronically and thus provide an incentive for a clever
> hacker to simply convert that to OSM. Once we say we accept a list of
> products for a supermarket, fe
Marc,
You assert that it doesn't exist in Belgium. It most definitely does
exist elsewhere though; repeating your assertion is not going to get
closer to a conclusion. In fact, as it exists for caravans, campers and
bicycles, it would be advantageous to have a uniform tagging model for
all these
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> Even if this happens in Belgium, it is clear that we have to accommodate
> multi-brand dealerships in our tagging scheme because it most definitely
> does occur elsewhere.
From what I understood from Frederik's mail, he would not map those
mult
Even if this happens in Belgium, it is clear that we have to accommodate
multi-brand dealerships in our tagging scheme because it most definitely
does occur elsewhere.
I may be wrong, but I thought that the sort of dealership restrictions
you mention were illegal these days, unless it can be obje
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> Have to? Is there some law or regulation in Belgium?
I think it's required by BMW and VW/Audi. (or the company that does
the imports for the brand into Belgium).
I believe they even can't sell BMW motorcycles from the same buildings
as they sel
> Op 7 mrt. 2016, om 08:56 heeft Frederik Ramm het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Thankfully, this is hypothetical because we won't do it. OSM is a geo
> database and not a sales directory.
+1
That’s exactly how I see it.
Never, ever would OSM be able to support such a sales directory in a relia
Have to? Is there some law or regulation in Belgium? Or is it a choice
of the brands themselves? My BMW dealer (in NL) also does Mini, from the
same building, at the same desk (for maintenance anyway). Next door is a
dealer for Rolls-Royce, TVR, McClaren, Lexus, Lamborghini and others all
in one bu
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> Putting brand=X on a shop would indicate the branding of the shop, not
> necessarily the brands which are sold within. These days (certainly in the
> 4-wheeled world) we are seeing less single-branded shops/showrooms and more
> independent mult
On 2016-03-07 12:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2016-03-07 7:50 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>
>> For example at present a mapper adding tags to a sewing shop that sells
>> sewing machines can have
>>
>> paff=yes... that makes no sense unless you know Paff make sewing
>> mac
2016-03-07 7:50 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> For example at present a mapper adding tags to a sewing shop that sells
> sewing machines can have
>
> paff=yes... that makes no sense unless you know Paff make sewing
> machines.
>
> gutenberg=yes ... makes no sense unless you know t
On 7/03/2016 8:25 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
How about limiting the list to product categories, according to an
agreed taxonomy? Particularly categories which help to distinguish one
shop from another. For example supermarkets might be expected to sell
frozen food, but occasionally they might not
How about limiting the list to product categories, according to an
agreed taxonomy? Particularly categories which help to distinguish one
shop from another. For example supermarkets might be expected to sell
frozen food, but occasionally they might not. So frozen food would be a
candidate for a pro
On 7/03/2016 6:56 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 03/07/2016 07:54 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
Just imagine what would happen if
someone took it upon them to actually list all the products sold at a
supermarket. And update that once a week.
I see no problem with that except that anybody would
Hi,
On 03/07/2016 07:54 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>> Just imagine what would happen if
>> someone took it upon them to actually list all the products sold at a
>> supermarket. And update that once a week.
> I see no problem with that except that anybody would quickly give up and
> overall wast
On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 02:39:52 +0100
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Just imagine what would happen if
> someone took it upon them to actually list all the products sold at a
> supermarket. And update that once a week.
I see no problem with that except that anybody would quickly give up and
overall waste ti
Thanks Frederik, that makes sense to me.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 03/07/2016 06:47 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>> Is e.g. brand for shop=car, amenity=fuel, amenity=bank acceptable ?
>
> The word "brand" has its root in the process of marking live animals
> with
On 7/03/2016 12:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 03/07/2016 12:11 AM, Warin wrote:
So you would prefer
sells=motorcycle;yamaha
I don't think that OSM is the right place to encode an ontology of
things. That there are different types of bread and different brands of
motorcycles, and that a "Y
Hi,
On 03/07/2016 06:47 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
> Is e.g. brand for shop=car, amenity=fuel, amenity=bank acceptable ?
The word "brand" has its root in the process of marking live animals
with a glowing "branding iron" to identify their owner.
I understand "brand" in OSM as a tag that we apply to a
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Frankly, with OSM not being a business directory, I don't even think the
> particulars about what a shop sells should be mapped, except perhaps in
> some limited cases
Frederik, please list those cases, as I want to understand what you
see as
Hi,
On 03/07/2016 12:11 AM, Warin wrote:
> So you would prefer
> sells=motorcycle;yamaha
I don't think that OSM is the right place to encode an ontology of
things. That there are different types of bread and different brands of
motorcycles, and that a "Yamaha" is a motorcycle while a "Hovis" is a
On 7/03/2016 2:32 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
sent from a phone
Am 06.03.2016 um 15:35 schrieb Simon Poole :
* for a small number of well defined and documented sub-keys it is not
particular nice, but can be tolerated.
+1, I'd also like to see this as a generally rare exception and not
sent from a phone
> Am 06.03.2016 um 15:35 schrieb Simon Poole :
>
> * for a small number of well defined and documented sub-keys it is not
> particular nice, but can be tolerated.
+1, I'd also like to see this as a generally rare exception and not as a good
way to generally structure the i
`sells:bread:sourdough:loaf:hovis=yes`
It’s probably worth mentioning that we also can’t support a tagging scheme like
this in iD presets.
We don’t have a UI for free tagging things that go in the key part of the tag.
(It’s the same problem with `seamark:` namespaced tags, which we also can’t
s
It really really really really is not a good idea to pollute the key
name space with an indeterminate number of sub-keys* instead of placing
values in the, no surprise there, value part. it essentially guarantees
that nobody will ever evaluate any of the information and even if the
proposal would
On 6 March 2016 08:47:36 GMT+00:00, Ralph Aytoun
wrote:
>My personal opinion is that this is getting totally out of hand.
>Shops pay a lot of money to advertise their wares and you are stepping
>in
>and trying to do commercial marketing for free.
>Not only that but who is going to maintain thi
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 08:47:36 -
"Ralph Aytoun" wrote:
> My personal opinion is that this is getting totally out of hand.
> Shops pay a lot of money to advertise their wares and you are
> stepping in and trying to do commercial marketing for free.
Nobody is forcing anybody to map what is sold.
s promoting rather than
> seeing time and effort spent on this kind of unsustainable detail.
>
> Just my humble opinion.
>
> -Original Message- From: Warin
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:52 AM
> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Draft of propos
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This an attempt to subvert the present creation of other tag/s (by stealth)
> that, in my view, can be much better.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sells
One problem I see at this moment, is that there
nd of unsustainable detail.
Just my humble opinion.
-Original Message-
From: Warin
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:52 AM
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..
On 6/03/2016 5:58 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
I like this, but have
I have made some alteration that should address this?
It might be more clear that it is a property key of something else .. like the
height key.
Description:
description of items sold by a shop or some amenities.
Proposal:
An indication of what is sold by a shop or some amenities.
Tagging:
On 6/03/2016 5:58 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
I like this, but have a few question:
- Do we always place brand at the end ?
e.g. sells:cloths:children:Mói=yes
or sells:cloths:Mói:children=yes ?
- Can we somehow define whether one should use
sells:cloths:children vs. sells:children_cloths
what I me
sent from a phone
> Am 06.03.2016 um 08:25 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny :
>
> I would prefer to explicitly note that it is supposed to be addition to
> more general tag like shop=*/amenity=*. For example it is not OK to use
> sells:beer instead of amenity=pub.
obviously, not every place selling
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 12:01:54 +1100
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have created a draft for the tag 'sells'.
>
> This an attempt to subvert the present creation of other tag/s (by
> stealth) that, in my view, can be much better.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/S
I like this, but have a few question:
- Do we always place brand at the end ?
e.g. sells:cloths:children:Mói=yes
or sells:cloths:Mói:children=yes ?
- Can we somehow define whether one should use
sells:cloths:children vs. sells:children_cloths
what I mean can we put forward some "rules" or "gu
I have created a draft for the tag 'sells'.
This an attempt to subvert the present creation of other tag/s (by
stealth) that, in my view, can be much better.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sells
Comments here please.
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