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ion seem to view
natural=coastline to mean and what mappers in other parts of the world
have in mind there. My request for you to formulate a universal rule
is meant to gauge that difference and evaluate options for a consensus.
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iscussion. That would at least avoid people
voting yes out of group-think, political allegiance or as a personal
favor without having contemplated the merit of the proposal and of
voices opposing it.
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rongly formalizing that in case
of the coastline could be a good idea. But to forgo having a
verifiable definition of the coastline tag supported by consensus is
not a good idea IMO.
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ained where you think the coastline should be
drawn - what i would like to understand is why, in generic terms and
based on verifiable physical geography criteria.
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from culturally defined elements of the geography) we can close up shop
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of physical extent of
surface water cover on this planet (predominantly done with ways tagged
natural=coastline) with culturally defined elements of the geography
(that is using the same tag on ways to represent something not defined
by physical geography criteria).
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ld certainly very much improve if we had
visual feedback on the water differentiation in OSM-Carto:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4128
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s failed to show up in the map.
See for example:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2805665
Hence the Rio de la Plata matter turned into kind of a self aggravating
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but it seems still contested. Getting this change merged and released
would go a long way towards mappers developing consensus on coastline
placement since it would provide feedback on the coastline position
without favoring a particular placement.
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> la Plata and Atlantic Ocean [9][10]
>
> If you choose to map this riverbank as coastline, is just mapping for
> convenience (for convenience of the renderer), to see the world map
> as you prefer to see it, but it is not modelling the world as it is.
>
> By the way, the pr
:
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and it stayed tagged as natural=coastline until you changed that in:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20290034
After that there were countless attempts to move up the coastline
closure again - all of which however were soon reverted.
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who would be willing to
formulate a generic set of rules based on physical geography criteria
about the natural=coastline placement that reflects your local view as
i have explained please do so - even if you do so in Spanish that would
be very helpful.
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rld?
If you can do that we can try to have a productive discussion without
delving into the swamp of politics and cultural differences and maybe
can find a consensus position that everyone can be satisfied with.
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and
meaningful tag. Maybe you can show some on-the-ground examples of areas you
think this tag is suitable and needed for and get input from the wider
community how they would suggest to characterize and tag such areas.
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ts navigability,
specifying that would be a valuable supplemental tag.
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called a qanat or an
> Undergroundwatertransfersystemfedfromawellandwithverticalmaintenanceshafts
> (as it might be named in some languages) but what it actually is.
Then we are in agreement i think.
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as it is perceived my English speakers.
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in the classifications used locally just as
we are used to doing it in Europe and North America.
Most existing uses of man_made=qanat by the way are in combination with
waterway=canal.
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We definitely do not want such areas to be engrossed in some
generic 'unvegetated or sparsely vegetated area' classification.
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transport any additional information is something we
typically try to avoid.
2) There are no parts of the Earth that are not covered by a mapped area
since the global coastline divides the Earth surface into land (on the
left of the coastline) and ocean (on the right of the coastline).
;-)
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he rendering of piers to be more
distinct, possibly more like a footway bridge:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2652
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3459
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ion in the primary tag could give OSM a
huge advantage over other data sources which don't make such a distinction.
There are quite a lot of use cases (both cartographic and analytic) where this
distinction when made consistently is of high value.
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r the status
quo as good enough. "The good enough is an enemy of the great" is a very
common pattern in map style development.
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cases where no
or very little pre-existing work exists it is probably wise to start with a
proof-of-concept development before actually planning and working on a
production ready implementation.
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while it turns out
(non-surprisingly in my eyes) that they have neither an interest in above
average cartographic quality nor in substantially sharing methods and
competency in the little work they do in that domain.
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And we try to record that in a form that is most
efficient for the mapper. Hence the question what additional verifiable
knowledge you intend to record with the additional data structures you propose
to create that is not yet in what we already record today.
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ng. You would end up
with a Wikipedia-like paradigm of "reliable sources" and a constant struggle
for cultural dominance and opinion leadership w.r.t. such features in the OSM
database.
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not cargo cult some complex data model in the hope that data users will turn
this into something meaningful - they won't.
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I am trying to understand what the issue is with the recommendation for mapping
you have received from multiple sides here.
So what exactly is the verifiable knowledge that is supposed to be represented
by your new relation type that is not already recorded in the mapping of
physical featur
M that names are typically local
properties and only locally verifiable. The Rhine river is called Rhein in
Koblenz but Rhin in Strasbourg and Rijn in Rotterdam.
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to what you believe is most convenient for data users.
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> Anders Torger hat am 13.12.2020 20:08 geschrieben:
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> [...] I think to actually have them all
> tied together in a unit is still a good idea, [...]
That does not answer my question.
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d against the idea and based on that we
reached consensus that it was a bad idea and it was abandoned.
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> Dave F via Tagging hat am 22.11.2020 17:08
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> [...] OSM-carto demanding boundaries on ways
???
I am smelling fake news here.
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rland traverses on the polar plateau are
verifiable information that can and should be recorded in OpenStreetMap. The
question at hand is how to tag these so that the data in OSM documents in a
well defined way what is and what is not known about the features in question.
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