Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
m sure we could manage to translate. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ion seem to view natural=coastline to mean and what mappers in other parts of the world have in mind there. My request for you to formulate a universal rule is meant to gauge that difference and evaluate options for a consensus. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
iscussion. That would at least avoid people voting yes out of group-think, political allegiance or as a personal favor without having contemplated the merit of the proposal and of voices opposing it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
rongly formalizing that in case of the coastline could be a good idea. But to forgo having a verifiable definition of the coastline tag supported by consensus is not a good idea IMO. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
t set by Google - almost universally ignored this fact does not change it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
mapper to observe. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ained where you think the coastline should be drawn - what i would like to understand is why, in generic terms and based on verifiable physical geography criteria. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@op

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ver on this planet from culturally defined elements of the geography) we can close up shop right away. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
of physical extent of surface water cover on this planet (predominantly done with ways tagged natural=coastline) with culturally defined elements of the geography (that is using the same tag on ways to represent something not defined by physical geography criteria). -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
ld certainly very much improve if we had visual feedback on the water differentiation in OSM-Carto: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4128 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
s failed to show up in the map. See for example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2805665 Hence the Rio de la Plata matter turned into kind of a self aggravating problem. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
etmap-carto/pull/4128 but it seems still contested. Getting this change merged and released would go a long way towards mappers developing consensus on coastline placement since it would provide feedback on the coastline position without favoring a particular placement. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
de > la Plata and Atlantic Ocean [9][10] > > If you choose to map this riverbank as coastline, is just mapping for > convenience (for convenience of the renderer), to see the world map > as you prefer to see it, but it is not modelling the world as it is. > > By the way, the pr

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WK9 and it stayed tagged as natural=coastline until you changed that in: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20290034 After that there were countless attempts to move up the coastline closure again - all of which however were soon reverted. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-06 Thread Christoph Hormann
who would be willing to formulate a generic set of rules based on physical geography criteria about the natural=coastline placement that reflects your local view as i have explained please do so - even if you do so in Spanish that would be very helpful. -- Christoph Hormann http

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
rld? If you can do that we can try to have a productive discussion without delving into the swamp of politics and cultural differences and maybe can find a consensus position that everyone can be satisfied with. -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
and meaningful tag. Maybe you can show some on-the-ground examples of areas you think this tag is suitable and needed for and get input from the wider community how they would suggest to characterize and tag such areas. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
ts navigability, specifying that would be a valuable supplemental tag. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
called a qanat or an > Undergroundwatertransfersystemfedfromawellandwithverticalmaintenanceshafts > (as it might be named in some languages) but what it actually is. Then we are in agreement i think. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
as it is perceived my English speakers. -- Christoph Hormann Imagico.de Geovisualisierungen http://services.imagico.de ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
in the classifications used locally just as we are used to doing it in Europe and North America. Most existing uses of man_made=qanat by the way are in combination with waterway=canal. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-07-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Landschaft_AnysbergPICT1454.JPG We definitely do not want such areas to be engrossed in some generic 'unvegetated or sparsely vegetated area' classification. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-07-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
transport any additional information is something we typically try to avoid. 2) There are no parts of the Earth that are not covered by a mapped area since the global coastline divides the Earth surface into land (on the left of the coastline) and ocean (on the right of the coastline). ;-) -

Re: [Tagging] How to map "piers" on land?

2020-07-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
he rendering of piers to be more distinct, possibly more like a footway bridge: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2652 https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3459 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Christoph Hormann
ion in the primary tag could give OSM a huge advantage over other data sources which don't make such a distinction. There are quite a lot of use cases (both cartographic and analytic) where this distinction when made consistently is of high value. -- Chr

Re: [Tagging] Are we mapping ground on OSM?

2020-07-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
r the status quo as good enough. "The good enough is an enemy of the great" is a very common pattern in map style development. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
cases where no or very little pre-existing work exists it is probably wise to start with a proof-of-concept development before actually planning and working on a production ready implementation. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
while it turns out (non-surprisingly in my eyes) that they have neither an interest in above average cartographic quality nor in substantially sharing methods and competency in the little work they do in that domain. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
And we try to record that in a form that is most efficient for the mapper. Hence the question what additional verifiable knowledge you intend to record with the additional data structures you propose to create that is not yet in what we already record today. -- Christoph Hormann h

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
ng. You would end up with a Wikipedia-like paradigm of "reliable sources" and a constant struggle for cultural dominance and opinion leadership w.r.t. such features in the OSM database. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ __

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-12 Thread Christoph Hormann
nd especially not cargo cult some complex data model in the hope that data users will turn this into something meaningful - they won't. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
name= I am trying to understand what the issue is with the recommendation for mapping you have received from multiple sides here. So what exactly is the verifiable knowledge that is supposed to be represented by your new relation type that is not already recorded in the mapping of physical featur

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
M that names are typically local properties and only locally verifiable. The Rhine river is called Rhein in Koblenz but Rhin in Strasbourg and Rijn in Rotterdam. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
apping to what you believe is most convenient for data users. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Anders Torger hat am 13.12.2020 20:08 geschrieben: > > [...] I think to actually have them all > tied together in a unit is still a good idea, [...] That does not answer my question. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
oclc-8322829_g_21.jpg -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
that. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Christoph Hormann
d against the idea and based on that we reached consensus that it was a bad idea and it was abandoned. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Dave F via Tagging hat am 22.11.2020 17:08 > geschrieben: > > [...] OSM-carto demanding boundaries on ways ??? I am smelling fake news here. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
verifiability based on available primary sources. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
rland traverses on the polar plateau are verifiable information that can and should be recorded in OpenStreetMap. The question at hand is how to tag these so that the data in OSM documents in a well defined way what is and what is not known about the features in question. -- Christoph Hormann https:/

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