RE: Seeking Opinions

This is starting to turn into a CF discussion versus a feature set discussion. Scalability is proven with the J2EE technology. It is solid, versatile, and many open projects are available for your contributions. Commercial product support is also available. The user community seems very good a

RE: Seeking Opinions

Its actually a very mature product...and very scalable. In a previous life we were running a fantasy gaming site which could handle very heavy peaks. The reason for my post was to promote the most "bag for the buck". As programmers we often over look the bottomline on projects and solely focus o

RE: Seeking Opinions

Again, existing version of CF can scale as well as any other platform that I can assure you if it's done properly. (Like anything else) Check with eBay. They operate some very large projects on the CF platform. Although...I'd rather listen to someone who knows both than one who does not. Maybe

RE: Seeking Opinions

It doesn't touch the HTML code. It will only interpret the markup language the same as Tomcat would with JSPs. -Original Message- From: Greg Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:52 PM To: Tag Libraries Users List Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions But doesn't Co

Newbie checkbox question

Hi, I'm putting logic when I change my checkbox's state. I have a checkbox that when it's check it will provide an extra field to show and hides it if it's not check. I have a "sent" property that has get() and set() with my form": < Shows a dat

Re: Seeking Opinions

On Friday 15 March 2002 03:52 pm, Greg Bishop wrote: > Isn't it just for toy websites, not J2EE application service provider > backbones? I've seen some pretty big-ish sites done w/ the "old" ColdFusion, but it never scaled well. Development time was hard to beat, though. I never much cared f

RE: Seeking Opinions

What do you mean by "scramble your HTML code and introduce all sort of odd behavior"? I didn't see any of that. *confused* .. plus it had a built-in option to remove those extra white space (something that someone was asking about on this list a week back for JSP taglibs). Maybe you're talking a

Re: Seeking Opinions

But doesn't Cold Fusion scramble your HTML code and introduce all sorts of odd behavior the way DreamWeaver does? Isn't it just for toy websites, not J2EE application service provider backbones? How does it interact with HTML component behaviors and HTC files? -G -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: Seeking Opinions

Well, here are my 2 cents on this: I have been (am) a HUGE supporter of Cold Fusion. I think it's one of the (if not THE) best solutions for building web applications out there. I totally agree with Stacy's remarks - it's EXTREMELY easy to learn/use, and the time to market is simply PHENOMENAL!

RE: Seeking Opinions

The latest release of Coldfusion runs either as a standalone environment (JRUN) or can be deployed on *any* J2EE application server. (IBM and other vendors will be bundling CF with their high end app servers) Is it scalable? Well, it inherits the J2EE platform so I believe that's settled. This

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, John Baker wrote: > Does > ie if (x) something(); else somethingElse(); or do I have to use > c:choose? You need to use . This comes about for somewhat intricate technical reasons, and is never a unanimously popular choice, but it was considered to be both the safest and

RE: OT: Seeking Opinions

Among other things: Control: 1) You can "embed" Tomcat and run your application(s) without depending or stepping on the installed Web server (of course on a different port number). This maybe useful for some type of applications. 2) You can even run tomcat under your own JRE (Control dependencie

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Re: OT: Seeking Opinions

Security! This applies to java servlet container technology in general rather than JSP pages. Using a servlet container like Tomcat I can run it with the Java SecurityManager and configure the security policy so web applications run within a security sandbox. This makes it less likely that app

RE: JSTL tag forEach context question

Well, the problem is that you may well skip over the loop, but you need to know beforehand whether you have to write and Ok, you could have something like: but that looks a bit cumbersome. Also, it iterates for n

RE: Seeking Opinions

ASP: Depends on your shop. If you're a MS shop, then you'll go with ASP. Things do seem separated to the point where the reason for using ASP or SQL Server or some such is not through a choice about that particular product, but because the company are an MS shop. This is less a technical a decisi

RE: Seeking Opinions

Here are some of my reasons: First, Jakarta tags are just taglibs, which are a part of the J2EE architecture. This (J2EE) is a very portable and scaleable solution. ASP: Do you really have to ask. Microsoft products only run on Microsoft platforms, thus they are not portable. PHP: These se

Re: OT: Seeking Opinions

Hello, Lurker. Despite all the heat generated by JSP, the medium has yet to be used to its real capacity, in my opinion. I like to take jsp pages and generate servlets, then take the html from the servlets and reconfigure the servlet to work well with the other parts of a Model 2 architectur

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, RAYMOND Romain wrote: > and is there a solution without rt (which seems dedicated to " hard > programming ") about passing parameter within a foreach tag ? No. Calling methods directly is considered "hard programming" for now. The question is - should it be in the future?

Re: OT: Seeking Opinions

Personally I use it because it's scalable (unlike ASP, and Cold Fusion). Unlike Cold Fusion (which is also incomplete), widely used (unlike PHP), and has an active user community. Plus I'd rather be dragged behind wild horses across gravel than use a poor Microsoft solution when a better one is

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

and is there a solution without rt (which seems dedicated to " hard programming ") about passing parameter within a foreach tag ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

RE: JSTL tag forEach context question

Eric. Good points; some comments below. On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I see JSTL as a kind of "read-only" interface to your data, > effectively implementing the View in the MVC model. Frankly, I > wouldn't want our web designers to be able to call methods other than > getters.

RE: JSTL tag forEach context question

I see JSTL as a kind of "read-only" interface to your data, effectively implementing the View in the MVC model. Frankly, I wouldn't want our web designers to be able to call methods other than getters. However, it still would be really helpful to have a standardized method of getting the number of

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, John Baker wrote: > > The 'rt' versions of each tag library support rtexprvalues instead of the > > expression language. We included them primarily as a way of facilitating > > integration of JSTL into older applications and methodologies. The 'rt' > > versions won't be nec

RE: JSTL tag forEach context question

I think method invocation is a necessary idea in the current versions of JSTL that I've seen. There are still alot of things that seems unnecessarily complex in using soem of the taglibs. For example, to check if an arraylist is empty. You must first set up a variable to represent the size before

RE: Quickie question

actually there is. Look at the HTML taglib in the jakarta project. In particular, look for rewrite in that taglib. I use the same thing in my app to handle references to images, scripts, etc.. -Tim -Original Message- From: John Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002

OT: Seeking Opinions

I've been lurking for a few weeks and wanted to get some inputt from you guys/girls. You can email me off list so as not to clog this list up if needed. I'm looking for your reasons as to why your using this environment (Jakarta tags..jsp) instead of using something like Microsoft's ASP, PHP, Co

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

Stupid question ...;) John Baker a écrit : > > On Friday 15 Mar 2002 15H:17 pm, you wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, John Baker wrote: > > > Stupid question. What is the difference between c.tld and c-rt.tld ? Or > > > in general, what does -rt dictate? > > > > The 'rt' versions of each tag lib

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, RAYMOND Romain wrote: > I'd like to pass a parameter to method called within the forEach tag. > This method have to initialize the collection used by forEach. And > this parameter is retrieved throught a request.getParameter()... > > We can do it using JSTL c-rt.tld but we w

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

On Friday 15 Mar 2002 15H:17 pm, you wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, John Baker wrote: > > Stupid question. What is the difference between c.tld and c-rt.tld ? Or > > in general, what does -rt dictate? > > The 'rt' versions of each tag library support rtexprvalues instead of the > expression langua

RE: Quickie question

oh sorry. HTTPS. I'm not sure about that. You can prob just extend the HTTP taglib to do that. Someone who's written more taglibs than me can advise you better. :) I would just get the source of the HTTP taglib and rewrite it. Someone else might have another way (can you extend an existing taglib?

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, John Baker wrote: > Stupid question. What is the difference between c.tld and c-rt.tld ? Or in > general, what does -rt dictate? The 'rt' versions of each tag library support rtexprvalues instead of the expression language. We included them primarily as a way of facilitat

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

tHanks for your analyse but so, why and how this code using c-rt.tld don't work with c.tld taglib ? <%@taglib uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/ea/core"; prefix="c"%> <%@taglib uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/ea/core-rt"; prefix="c-rt"%> ... ... ... So what is the way to pass parameter meth

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

Stupid question. What is the difference between c.tld and c-rt.tld ? Or in general, what does -rt dictate? On Friday 15 Mar 2002 11H:02 am, you wrote: > hello, > thanks for your previous answer. > > I'd like to pass a parameter to method called within the forEach tag. > This method have > to

Re: JSTL tag forEach context question

hello, thanks for your previous answer. I'd like to pass a parameter to method called within the forEach tag. This method have to initialize the collection used by forEach. And this parameter is retrieved throught a request.getParameter()... We can do it using JSTL c-rt.tld but we would like t

AW: Problems by Compling JSP's

Hi, maybe important for someone here. I found my problem today. In my Forte Explorer i have a lot of Testprojects with the same classname but other content. I think the tomcat takes the first class found from the classpath and use it. I have unmountet all older versions and with the new one it

RE: Quickie question

Well, you could try <%= request.getRequestURI() %> or <%= request.getRequestURL() %> I was trying to get similar information sometime back, and i tried the above, but it didn't quite work for me - not sure if it was the particular case in which i was trying or what.. but again, according to the d

Re: Quickie question

On Friday 15 Mar 2002 10H:39 am, you wrote: > Did you try: > > <%= request.getContextPath() %> > > According to the javadocs for HttpServletRequest, that should return what > you're looking for. Thank you. Quite why I didnt spot this before, I dont know. I'm sure I've looked for this on a number

RE: Quickie question

Did you try: <%= request.getContextPath() %> According to the javadocs for HttpServletRequest, that should return what you're looking for. HTH. Anuj. > Ok ok, i know this isn't tag related. But it's so quick that > I think someone > might know ;-) > > If I have a webapp installed under /wig

Quickie question

Ok ok, i know this isn't tag related. But it's so quick that I think someone might know ;-) If I have a webapp installed under /wiggle, can I get at the path "/wiggle" from my webapp? So I can put: Thanks :) John -- John Baker, BSc CS. Java Developer, TEAM/Slb. http://www.teamenergy.c