Not on Amazon myself, so would be a general guess.
Seems like they are performing some kind of security checking on you.
Some websites do this kind of checking once in a while, on arbitrarily
customers. Hopefully they do not intend to do this every time you log on
to their services, in the com
Since you state NVDA will read them, they apparently hold text, not just
scanned images. I have seen numerous samples of the same behavior, which
in rality have lead me to stop using Adobe in my daily activity. I find
that those documents, typically will open in things like QRead, and
there WE
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>I didn't know we only get one language. I was lead to believe that all the
>languages were in there and we could choose whatever language we wanted to
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Matthew,
Am I correct in assuming, you happen to be from the North-Americas? Then
it is likely you got your hard-copy installation disk quickly. But for
oversea users, the lengthy delivery time, has long been an issue. Not
sure if the oversea disks will have to be requested from the local
deal
Vaughn,
I just wanted to hook on to one point you made. And that is the one
about the free Office Offer of WinEyes, in comparison with the paid-for
versions.
You said:
"
Part of my complaint is that the Window-Eyes for Office programme, which is
free to those who use it, get permanent acc
To all current and potential users of the Extended Dictionary app.
V0.69.5.1 - Release Note.
As all current users of the package has noticed the last few days, the
package speaks a short license note, at startup. It has been informing
you that the license time was about to expire. All due to
Neville,
and all other users of the Extended Dictionary.
The Capture Spoken Phrases app, is part of the Extended Dictionary
package. Yet it is NOT an essential part of the package. As a matter of
fact, the Extended Dictionary itself, could well run without this part
being operative.
As has bee
will support Baum Escape protocol (this protocol
supports APH Refreshabraille 18, Humanware’s Braille Connect, Brailiant,
Baum Supervario series, Orbit with an update and so on).
On 1/26/2017 2:56 AM, David via Talk wrote:
> Vaughan,
>
> I never had the chance of checking out the Orbit
If you are all that concerned about loosing speech, thereby loosing the
chance of upgrading, why not install NVDA. You could then run NVDA for
the short moment it would take to download and get installed the WinEyes
upgrade. One of the cases when a backup screen reader does come in handy.
Sure
Vaughan,
I never had the chance of checking out the Orbit, neither the produtype
nor any final product.
Recently though, I saw advertised on another list, that there is on the
bedding a new product from India, and far as I recall it was supposed to
have the cursor routing feature. It too is t
Though I cannot remember getting the message the initial poster refered
to, I can confirm the braille display to every now and then dropping
out, and requiring me to turn it physically Off and back On, or to
restart WE. Has been the case ever since I started with WE, way back a
decade ago. I di
Well, guess you got the most important. VFO is now the owner of the
whole GWMicro, AISquared, and FS.
Next, Numerous of the staff members in GWMicro have quit. In fact,
pretty much all the members who used to be active on the list. Not sure
if anyone but Doug is left, he is the only one that h
Not sure if this will do for you, but you could check it out.
Go to:
futureaids.com
and check out their Computer Lab. Here, notice the Talking Typing
Teacher, which will be found at this link:
http://www.braillebookstore.com/Talking-Typing-Teacher.1
For illustrative purposes, I he
Window-Eyes does not offer language packs.
Do you own a license for an English version, your Window-Eyes will be
all in English. Should you want any other language, you will have to
install a language-.specific license, and that in effect means, you have
to buy a brand new product.
Or, if yo
Well, if anyone does know, please send the info my way as well. Would
like to learn a bit more about things like Python and C++.
On 1/14/2017 7:16 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for a good source to learn Programming. Python, C# and C++,
> are the three languages I have lear
Thunderbird is fully workable with WE. And I have had no trouble in
getting it to work with Hotmail.
On 1/11/2017 4:24 AM, Mary Heinrichs via Talk wrote:
> Hi. I forgot to ask, is Thunderbird screen reader accessible? So not only am
> I wondering if it works with Hotmail, is it still screen rea
Excuse me, please, but what is all the desperation about?
It is several months now, we have been aware VFO has bought AISquared,
who in turn bought GWMicro a couple of years ago. So, would it not be
simple as natural, to expect them to use their company name, when a
customer calls in. If I cha
This will uninstall WinEyes, and its main components. Yet, if the user
wxplicitly wants ALL traces of the software gone, you might need the
Emergency Tool Remover software, which is found on the installation CD
of the screen reader. I am under the impression, that it also would be
available som
Wouldn't say so.
As a matter of fact, Window-Eyes has had the feature built-in for a
couple of versions now. :)
Only difference is, in WinEyes you only have a manual feature. It
crashes, at least sometimes you can get it going again, by simply
hitting the Alt-Ctrl-W hotkey.
Unless I am mis
Listers,
Every now and then, we see someone asking a polite question here, and
then a load of more or less "useless" - sometimes nearly abrupt replies.
Say a person asks
"what is the better choice for an AntiVirus",
and the reply goes something like:
"BlahBlah is crabware".
First of al
Maybe an easier way is this:
1. in Windows Explorer, focus the file in question.
2. Hit the App-key, or alternatively Shift-F10, to open the Application
Menu.
3. Arrow down to the entry that says: "Open With"; and hit Enter.
4. You now will get a list of software, that claims to be able to op
Robin,
What you can access with speech, you also can access with Braille.
What you can access with Braille, you also can access with Speech.
Having those main rules established, let me point out a few differences.
First of all, if you are a trained Braille user, you might find Braille
navig
Not aware of any database that would be doing exactly this. Though I am
not very familiar with commercial databases either.
I'd say, this whole thing would be quickly and easily done, by a few
lines of scripting. It is but one example, where scripting takes the
bigger bite, over any full-fledg
Pretty sure, that lasted far into the 2000's. Seem to remember they had
the standard and professional version, when I first got in touch with
the screen reader - must have been sometime around 2005-2006. Well,
memory could play me a trick.
David
On 12/1/2016 6:46 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
>
Just a short reminder, when you talk about update releases.
I really had to check my archives here, but sure enough. Since the merge
was announced, back in the spring or early summer, we have had TWO
updates to Window-Eyes released. The first one, was in july, the latest
in september. How much
Listers,
I had my hands on Jaws for something like an hour or so, that many years
ago, it would not even be considered useful for today's computer
activity. Name it a simple way to get a worksheet done. So, forgive me
if I do not know exactly what is wrong with Jaws, to many of you.
Maybe you d
Although the speculations as to whether Window-Eyes will still be around
is a bit hasty, I still encourage the use of more than one screen reader
in general. First of all, you will benefit from the functionality of
each reader, many times giving you better tools to perform the job you
want, the
First of all, a small correction. I did not mean to say whether there
will be more Window-Eyes users than Jaws users locally. I just said that
the authorities have prioritized the WE screen reader for a handful years.
In practical terms, that means that if you are a new user, and do apply
for
h/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of David via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:21 a.m.
> To: Sky Mundell;
Might be so, at least in certain places around the globe. I only could
talk from locale perspectives.
The Jaws screen reader has for long been a headache for the paying
authorities, due to its strictness in copyright and licensing. Besides,
one official told me - and note that this is a few yea
One thing that might be worth thinking through here, is to what extend
it would be worth forcing people into another product. Sure, it is an
economic question for a company how many products to have running
simultaneously. Yet, it is an economic question for the market, to what
extend they want
People come and go, just like times. :)
Big thing is not just that someone leaves, but to what extend someone
knowledgeable and experienced comes in, to fill their shoes. And for
sure, it adds up to quite a number of staff members, leaving in very
short time. Were they forced to, did they deci
just a practical question here:
Out of the Window-Eyes staff left, is there any Blind or Visually
Impaired person left? Or, is it all sighted people now?
Seems to me, a developing staff and customer service of a screen reader,
or any products for the blind, should at least prioritized having
even (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS
TRUST) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What does WEBVism do then, is there anywhere I can go to check the
functionality please?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steven.hicks=nhs....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David
Many of you, will have come to appreciate the functionality of the
Firefox Add-on named WebVisum. Among other things, it leaves you a way
to solve - at least some - captchas on a website. It also let's you
taylor your Firefox, optimizing it even more for screen reader use.
In general, you may
Or, open the VoiceRotor app Control panel, by hitting Ctrl-Win-F2, and
select it from the dropdown list there. Benefit hereof, is that you
quickly can switch between it and say for instance Eloquence, or any
other synth on your system, by simply one hotkey: Win-F2. The VoiceRotor
app is standar
Well, I am using version 9 here, and it works. Make sure you scan to
either MSWord, or MSExcel. Should you scan to PDF, you may want to try
opening it in things like QRead, if you have that software installed.
Running the Virtual View of WE on a scanned document, may not exactly
work. It is li
I got a similar error message, for a couple of hours, near the end of
last week. Like I stated, it only lasted for a couple of hours. Just
before writing this message, I tested the app on my system, and it is
running perfectly, as has it for the last few days.
Guess is that the site they pull
Under the View menu, you may also want to open the Layout choice.
Make sure only the Classic View, and the Folder Pane are checked.
By no means, and NEVER, the Message Pane should be checked. It is a
security risk and disaster altogether in itself, so make sure it is
unchecked.
David
On 1
Sorry, but I have only casually followed this thread, so maybe my idea is out
of range.
I had several troubles with Thunderbird, a little while ago. It could end up
crashing, would not let me read and edit my composing messages, and
redownloaded loads of messages that I had deleted. I was read
Suggestion:
Have you tried pressing the hotkey-combo of
Ctrl-Shift-W?
And best of all, have you tried pressing it twice?
It will read the whole focused window, that is, your dialog. If the
first press does not read all to you, try the same hotkey a second time.
The reading method will
Or, are you asking how to get to the Settings tree? If so, press Alt-E.
Then scroll to the setting category you want, tab through the choices,
and save it all with Ctrl-S as suggested.
And, just for yours and other user's help, open the WE controlpanel with
Ctrl-Backslash.
That should take c
Seems noone really knows, what is going to happen in the coming. Doug -
one of the "old-time" staff - recently sent a message on the list, that
informed us, apparently things have not yet been fully worked out. At
least, that is how I read his message.
How long will you be able to use your pro
Well, would be a great thing for the VFO team, to get their resources
together and make such a thing possible. Let's get a box that you
connect to the external display connector on the back of your computer.
Let the box have something like 4, or even 8 GB of RAM, enough to hold
your screen read
I did read through the specs given on the page you linked, and it looks
like a nice little unit.
The fact that it has an SSD, will ensure you get fast loading of your
software, and fast storing of your data. As such, it to a certain degree
weighs up for the somehow low-speed CPU, and with 4GB
Do we want to keep this all true?
Don't know from where you have your info, but I am writing this on a
Dell laptop, which I have upgraded with non-Dell parts. Exactly what is
it you mean cannot be replaced with non-Dell parts?
If you think of the mainboard, built-in keyboard, or the screen of
First of all,
c39b22
will be interpret
ed as one big cell reference - and that is an invalid one too.
Secondly, you have to tell Excel, what to do with the two cells, and you did
not. You sure told it to sum, but what kind of summing. OK, then, ExeDavidcel
should not name it sum, but mor
Perhaps I could be agreeing in the fact, that just because a software is
accessible, automatically means it is best in protectiveness. And sure,
there exists at least as many viewpoints - even here on the list - as
there are alternatives for protection-ware.
Yet, I do have to caution a bit, wh
Doug,
Just wanted to thank you for the response to this question.
Great that we did get a response from someone in the staff, considering
all the speculation and concerns on the list lately. Understandably, a
merge takes time, and many things have to be sorted out. Yet, I do think
many people
Barbra, and the rest.
I think what was refered to here, is the pure label printers. These,
basically, have little to do with a standard printer, into which you
feed a full size sheet of paper, holding several labels.
The dedicated label printers, are pretty much a modern version of the
old-styl
A search on the net, showed me that there are quite a number of more or
less free software for envelope printing. Yet, I have not tried any of them.
Since you are using MSOffice, a better alternative may be to get the
envelopes printed directly from within Office. And a couple of
alternatives
Win-Eyes has for long been recommended nothing under 2GB of RAM. I have
been using Win7 Home Edition on a netbook with 1.3GHZ and 2GB RAM, and
it is doable, though not exactly the speed you want for everyday usage.
Yet changing the Hard Disk with an SSD, might be one way to speed up things.
St
For all the years I have been a WE user, one of the outstanding things
to be said about the staff, was that they actually cared to follow the
trafic on the mailing lists. Valuable instructions and feedback has been
received from the staff directly, and as a user, you could give direct
feedback
Dan retired? Marc left. Jeremy is going!
- Who is next? (Smiles.)
Sticking with a particular job for 8, 10, 12 or more years, is an
achievement in itself. It tells its own story, about a company that is
in line with its employees, and a job that meets the worker's desire for
challenges and task
Of course, one consequence of all this uncertainty, is the app
development. Many app developers may feel reluctant to update and
maintain their apps, if tomorrow the whole app will be no longer useful,
due to the screen reader being discontinued. New apps may not be
developed, even if there doe
Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made
FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff
members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the
rest of us will get informed.
It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who kno
To the extend of my understanding, NVDA will never have a charge. Think it is
developed under the GPL (General Public License), which institutes it will
never, and can never, be sold as a commercial product. It will have to be
offered for free, long as it exists. Only way for them to raise money
All I can say, is that I wish there was a way to do this. I too, have
found myself in the situation you describe. Good thing for you, you
could trace down which field it was. Sometimes, you get a form with
numerous fields, and just an error saying "something is wrong", and will
you please corre
Running Malwarebytes here, and installed it off from Ninite a month ago,
so would expect it to be the latest version.
For the usage I am doing, yes it is accessible enough. But the interface
is quite different from what you have been used to in older software. It
is more of a tab-layout. Your
m to be a paltry response, but does refreshing the tab
> after switching to it using Insert-backslash do anything to sync the
> content?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.co
I agree, things should have worked differently. I have seen this kind of
behavior once in a while. One workaround is as follows.
1. Go to the Edit Box, and turn off the Browse Mode.
2. Mark all the text, and copy it to the clipboard.
3. Hit Ctrl-A, then Del, to delete the text from the editbox
ive I currently am.
David
On 9/21/2016 6:20 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> Hi David:
>
> What browser are you using? I have found that problem with Google
> Chrome, but not on Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 9/21/16, David via Talk wrote:
>>
tcut keys control-1 to get to tab 1, control-2
> to get to tab 2, and so on?
>
> Kevin Huber
>
> On 9/21/16, David via Talk wrote:
>> I am struggling a quite annoying, and even puzzling issue. Memory tells
>> me this has been the case ever since WE9 came out, but I am not able
This has been the case, ever since the new Browse mode was introduced.
And it happens on that many sites, that it would be strange to imagine
that I would be the only one struggling wwith the following issue. My
browser is set to automatically maximize any window, and hitting
Ctrl-Shift-T does
I am struggling a quite annoying, and even puzzling issue. Memory tells
me this has been the case ever since WE9 came out, but I am not able to
determine exactly time it all started. It could happen any time, with
any webpage in a multi-session of the browser. I am going to explain it
in illust
In reality, NO.
VirtualView has been helpful in a very few times here, but I have
numerous times experienced PDF-files that it did not read at all. Have
some documents here, that reads fine enough in QRead, does read little
or nothing in Adobe, and all you can get from the VirtualView is that i
ines and not have to buy a key for each machine. I have
> various computers all over the house on a network that do various th
> things. One of the many reasons I like window-eyes.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, David via Ta
Well, ain't it just funny, their slogan.
A perfect replacement for Outlook Express and Windows (Live) Mail:
How perfect is a software, that does not even care much about its users?
Even when they obviously are well aware of the issue, down to the
degrade that they have gone the extra
May I just remind you all, that the all-accessible software QREAD, does
read PDF Files. Often with better result than the Adobe software. Yes, I
do have both on my machine, but has set QRead to be the standard
software to open any PDF files.
QRead is not freeware, but the price is affordable.
Although I cannot speak for your particular system or issue, my
experience with newer HP machines is that they need a tweak in the BIOS,
to have the top-row of your keyboard behave normal. A tweak that only
can be performed with two eyes around, since the BIOS has to be accessed
long before any
Why not hit Ctrl-F, once in the AppGet screen. Write your search query,
i.e Append, and hit Enter. All apps that holds the search query in its
name, will be listed, no matter which category. Scroll down the
resulting list, till you get to the app you are particularly looking
for, and hit Enter
PM, brennenki...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is this program never heard of it before
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:34 PM, David via Talk
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
>> accessible enough.
ometimes there is no other way.
>
> -----Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 1:34 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: is spybot accessible
>
> If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
> accessible
If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
accessible enough.
You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now
aday does not require you to do so?
Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the
package, off from the SysTray, instea
Could it, possibly, happen they just are experiencing unexpected
technical issues? Or could it, possibly, be due to issues outside their
control, i.e issues with the ISP servers? Even, could it be simple as a
power-failure - due to whether conditions?
Nope, I do have no answer. But relying on
Eventhough it has been a call for so long. Even before the redo of the
browse mode. Sure, there would be cases when you could have increased
productivity highly, by using a hotkey to jump to the two only links on
a page of a 120 different choices, that you have not yet researched. Say
for insta
Turn on all headers.
Press Alt-V, arrow down to Headers, Press Right-Arrow, and choose All.
In the combobox where you choose the field type, you can choose between
To, CC, or BCC - by pressing the Up- and Down-Arrow.
HTH,
David
On 8/20/2016 2:14 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> I think
Paragon Migrate OS to SSD
It is not free, but does a fantastic and simple job.
It first will search your system for all available drives, and then let
you choose the Source and Target drive.
After that, lean back, and enjoy. It does take a bit of time to clone a
hard drive to an SSD, but ju
Since this thread is a bit old, I won't start a prolonged discussion
about the matter. I just want to ask what makes you believe there is a fee?
When installing the app, you are presented a license agreement. The very
first paragraph reads:
---Quote:
You - the end-user of the Extended Dictionar
OK, but you forgot one small step, that I have seen working sometimes.
Try pressing F6, once or twice. Sometimes things get going when doing so.
David
On 8/16/2016 7:38 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> Hi Barbara,
> This is an intermittent issue that I have seen from time to time in both
>
Oh, OK, you found the point I missed, didn't you. :)
I of course did mean the LIGHT version should be that light, that it did
not hang on the same stuff as the full version. It should simply just be
a way for the screen reader to creep out of a tight spot. In this
particular case, the way I ge
Ain't this simply just too funny.
Go pay a thousand dollars for a screen reader, and then you have to use
a freeware one to get things installed. No, guys, this time I am not
here to complain, simply just think it to be a smiler.
One thing the makers of the paid-for screen readers now aday ma
SURPRISE for you!
Two days ago, a bigger dealer over here avertised laptops on a
Back-To-School sale, brand new, with Win7Pro on them. Out of three
models for sale, only ONE, was with Win10.
Enjoy your surprise.
Smiley.
Agreed, as time moves by, we might see the Win7 machines still in stock
Well, I would even love to know how to do it in Ein7. Don't know
anything about Win10, but my guess would be that you have to press
something like F8 when the machine boots. And then, you are in the
blind, as the different boot options come up, like you describe. If
anyone has an idea or tweak,
Download and install the app, and you are automatically entitled the
license to use it. No fees, although moderate donations will be
welcomed, read in the User's Guide for further info.
From the license Agreement:
You - the end-user of the Extended Dictionary package - are granted the
rights t
Download and install the app, and you are automatically entitled the
license to use it. No fees, although moderate donations will be
welcomed, read in the User's Guide for further info.
From the license Agreement:
You - the end-user of the Extended Dictionary package - are granted the
rights t
In the old days, that is like 10 years ago, I used to have a version of
Nero installed. Think it was version 5 or 6. It was a quite nice tool
for ripping and burning CDs, but it also included a tiny recording
software, with some really good noise handling features. I do not know
where my disk
umeral 1 in a few cases.
Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:28 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: strange speaking of character
OK, I am using Eloquence, and Thun
OK, I am using Eloquence, and Thunderbird. Reading to the end, or
arrowing line by line, it doesn't matter - I do not see the behavior you
are experiencing, sorry. Yet, I do appreciate that you may have another
synthesizer, and you may have settings or even apps that could cause
this kind of be
If you find the signals to be better, when following the suggested
testing downstairs, there does exist a solution that may help you out on
poor wireless connections.
As indicated in an earlier message, the wireless signals can be affected
by numerous conditions in your home. Is it a concrete
The Format menu, you reach by Alt-o.
Auto-sizing the columns, you do by the following key sequence:
Alt-O, C, A.
Auto-sizing the row, consequently would be:
Alt-O, R, A.
Hope you find this helpful.
David
On 7/20/2016 5:38 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:
Morning all:
I am having di
AMD or Intel, should be no trouble. I have run both interchangeably,
with no noticeable difference. As for speed of the CPU, I would not go
under 1.6, and definitely look for a duo or even quadro CPU system. When
comes to memory, RAM, I would strongly recommend you don't do anything
under 4GB,
Although I do see the benefit of having two Windows-keys, I think
finding a keyboard with that feature may be rare these days. Can't
really think of when I last time had my hands on any such unit.
David
On 7/9/2016 3:05 PM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
This keyboard that came with this Asus de
This is a chance-playing, but you may want to try the following
approach, which I have done similarly in other cases. If you look up
your receipt, or if you happen to know exactly where to find the
keyboard on the webshop's homepage, go ahead an look up the actual
webpage. That is, bring up the
Never tried it. The idea sounds great, and it is wonderful to see
something designed with accessibility in mind.
Reading through the pages, it seems to me that you must have Java
installed on your system, to have the thing running. That is easily
enough done, and doesn't cost you anything to i
I don't use the website you are on, but just want to confirm one detail
in your experience.
Since the new browse mode, I often hear the word "close", when arrowing
through comboboxes on different sites. Next time I come across this, I
will provide the site in question. What puzzles me a bit, i
Sorry, if this is the same kind of behavior I am experiencing with my
bank, your advice does not work. What happens in my case is that the
dropdown control is reported as an editbox. Hence, turning off browse
mode, I sure can arrow up and down the list, but the speech won't report
anything, eve
May not have anything to do with your system restart. Once they've got
your phone number, they can go on for ages. One idea could be to get a
caller-ID unit, and when you hear the number spoken out to you,
determine whether you will pick up the phone or not. OK, likely they may
be prepared, and
Running Office 2007, under Win7 64. Latest WE.
Whenever I open a document in MSWord, it opens in what is reported as
Preview Mode.
This causes the speech to only read what is in one of the columns on the
page, for instance in a received and scanned letter, you may not get
much more than the
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