Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My reasoning behind gosmore was that tracks not suitable for vehicles should > be tagged as footway. tracks that are not suitable for any kind of vehicle, yes but I believe that most tracks are suitable for at least some kind

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:52:57PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: That depends on the state (Bundesland). So there cannot be a global default, only a local one. I am just curious: which Bundesländer do typically allow motorcars on tracks? Sorry, don't know that off the top of my head, but one was

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do I have a way to tell gosmore that I have a permission or would it also > route me there when I want to do a short leissure walk there (maybe by > selecting the destination with a click)? > If the closest way to click (

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Dienstag, 4. November 2008 schrieben Sie: > > surface    paved /cobblestone /unpaved way > > Apply to all types of highways. If the tag is not present, it is assumed > > surface=paved, excepted for highway=footway. (sealed/unsealed outside > > UK). > > (IMHO surface=paved should not be assumed f

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nic Roets wrote: > (IMHO surface=paved should not be assumed for highway=track either.) The contrary is the case. Before the advent of "tracktype=...", tracks were defined as unpaved (anything paved would have been a highway=service or such); nowadays, "tracktype=grade1" is used to designa

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Dienstag, 4. November 2008 schrieb Nic Roets: > > (except for some special cases like if you own land > > which is accessible only using such a track or if you have special > > permission). > > Then it should be tagged with access=destination > > It's not yet supported in gosmore, but I've thoug

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (except for some special cases like if you own land > which is accessible only using such a track or if you have special > permission). Then it should be tagged with access=destination It's not yet supported in gosmore,

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Dienstag, 4. November 2008 schrieb Nic Roets: > Using the script below I found 219469 tracks of which 202630 did not have a > motorcar= tag. > > My reasoning behind gosmore was that tracks not suitable for vehicles > should be tagged as footway. I think many tracks here could technically be us

[OSM-talk] Compile Error in josm-ng

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg Ostertag (OSM Tettnang/Germany)
I have problems building the debian Package because of a Compile Problem in josm-ng. Please can someone fix this. Thanks Joerg - Compile Josm-ng BUILD SUCCESSFUL Total time: 0 seconds [javac] /home/tweety/svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm-ng/src/org/openstreet

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Sascha, Am Dienstag, 4. November 2008 schrieb Sascha Silbe: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 09:04:06PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > In Germany (Switzerland and Austria as well?) there are probably a > > very low fraction of tracks on which motorcars are allowed. > > That depends on the state (Bundes

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Nic Roets
Using the script below I found 219469 tracks of which 202630 did not have a motorcar= tag. My reasoning behind gosmore was that tracks not suitable for vehicles should be tagged as footway. It's flawed because we so many unsurfaced way types. Perhaps we can adopt the following scheme ? highway=tr

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 09:04:06PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: In Germany (Switzerland and Austria as well?) there are probably a very low fraction of tracks on which motorcars are allowed. That depends on the state (Bundesland). So there cannot be a global default, only a local one. CU Sasch

[OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-04 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hello, I am wondering, if there is a default for motorcar defined for highway=track if motorcar=yes/no is not specified explicitly. In Germany (Switzerland and Austria as well?) there are probably a very low fraction of tracks on which motorcars are allowed. This seems to be different in other

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Pieren
I remember that the first proposal of "path" tried to deprecate footway, cycleway and bridleway but it was removed after legitimate complaints. I think the wiki page should clearly state that the tag can be used only if the way has really no main usage and only in that case. I'm sure that many peop

[OSM-talk] Revisit hour_on/hour_off? [tagging]

2008-11-04 Thread Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists)
It is currently possible to set up access restrictions[1], and then use hour_on, day_on and date_on and their *_off equivalents to state that the "access closure" is lifted at some times. I take this as meaning that all normally restricted traffic is permitted as if it were foo_access=yes betwe

[OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
>So: Someone thought that dropping the well-established and well-working >highway=footway was a good idea. He or she seems to have managed to >convince people to actually *change* existing data to fit his new idea, >without, obviously, spending a second thinking about the data consumers >(i.e.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Igor Brejc wrote: > Anyway, I checked Tagwatch for Germany and it has > some 17,000 paths, so it's not totally unused. I checked a random sample. Of 10 "highway=path" objects I checked, 8 had been "highway=footway" before someone decided to change it. One was a "highway=residential" before

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Johnny Rose Carlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Andy Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Isn't there a description of "highway=path" on Map >> > Features page? >> >> Ahahahahahahaha. So what? > > Are you saying "Map Features" is useless?, in that case we bette

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Johnny Rose Carlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Andy Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Isn't there a description of "highway=path" on Map >> > Features page? >> >> Ahahahahahahaha. So what? > > Are you saying "Map Features" is useless? No, it's not useless.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Johnny Rose Carlsen
"Andy Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't there a description of "highway=path" on Map > > Features page? > > Ahahahahahahaha. So what? Are you saying "Map Features" is useless?, in that case we better find another solution which can tell what tags programs will try to support. Best r

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (wetland)

2008-11-04 Thread Ulf Mehlig
I'd like to invite you to vote on the proposed "wetland" tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Wetland_areas An area subject to inundation by water, or where waterlogged ground may be present. Examples include swamps, tropical mangr

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-04 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
another use case, when in Japan, some tourist attractions require you to take your shoes off, and some don't. with some occasionally providing slippers for tourists to wear. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-04 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Joseph Gentle wrote: > > The english term for clothing requirements is a Dress Code. I'm not > sure how this can best fit in - dress_code_min=formal, > dress_code_max=naked ? I second use of the term "dress code", and conversion of this proposal into dress_code. "clothing" is too open to interpre