On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:21:44PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Another thing one could to if public messaging does not find favour is
> posting a caveat immediately over the "write message" text area,
> something along the lines of "if you're about to criticize someone whom
> you don't know, thin
Kenneth Gonsalves schrieb:
> hi,
> how does one start/stop tracking in OSMTracker
In the released version it tracks as soon as a GPS is connected.
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Simon Ward wrote:
> There could always be a gentle reminder when reading messages that:
>
> * There’s a wiki;
> * there are several mailing lists
>
> (with links, of course) where you can check and discuss things. You may
> also want to have “report offensive message” (though that seems a b
Hi,
Tom Hughes wrote:
> I know this because the absolutely vast, exceedingly non gentle, four
> language reminder about using the web site to reply rather than email is
> ignored by large numbers of people every day.
That's a very clear sign that we did something wrong by implementing
half of
Hi,
We are having a discussion in talk-ph on tagging barangays:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2008-November/000129.html
The old practice was to tag barangay as place=village. By definition
from the Map Features:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
The tag p
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From: "maning sambale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Talk Openstreetmap"
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Rendering barangays for the Philippines
>
> Hi,
>
> We are having a discussion in talk-ph on tagging barangays:
> http://lists.openstreetm
Hi all,
As of revison 12060 maplint supports
noname=yes for residential roads and POIs as well as
validate:empty-tag-value
validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer
validate:motorway-without-ref
validate:place-of-worship-without-religion
validate:poi-without-name
validate:residential-without-name
> As of revison 12060 maplint supports
(...)
> to disable specific tests. If other variants (like unnamed=yes) or other
> namespaces for annotations (like the internal namespace) show up
> prominently enough I'll update maplint again to support those tags too.
I think, we, as validation tools dev
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to ask for a quick show of hands on the idea of making the
> whole built-in OSM messaging system public (not retroactively of course,
> but change it so that anyone can ready any message written in the
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * When a person signs up to OSM, ask him a few multiple choice questions to
> make sure he has the mastered the basics.
I think the barrier for entry for OSM is already too high, just
signing up probably deters a lot of usefu
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Of course the "correct" way would be to tag them as place=barangay and
>> we will do so from now on. Can we request the renderers to render
>> them the same as place=village?
>>
>> Or any other ideas?
>
> Yes, keep tagging
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * When a person signs up to OSM, ask him a few multiple choice questions
> to
> > make sure he has the mastered the basics.
>
> I think th
Hi,
>> to disable specific tests. If other variants (like unnamed=yes) or
>> other namespaces for annotations (like the internal namespace) show
>> up prominently enough I'll update maplint again to support those
>> tags too.
>
> I think, we, as validation tools developpers/maintainer, have a
> r
On 24/11/2008 14:46, Erik Johansson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Of course the "correct" way would be to tag them as place=barangay and
>>> we will do so from now on. Can we request the renderers to render
>>> them the same as place=village?
I don't understand the direction of this thread. Frederik is talking
about "old users" protecting their area agains newcomers, not about
"new users" making possible mistakes. This happens through
intimidation through the private messaging system.
I'm also against making everything public. As alread
Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just
making it public?
On 23 Nov 2008, at 13:21, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to ask for a quick show of hands on the idea of making
> the
> whole built-in OSM messaging system public (not retroactively of
> cour
On 24/11/2008 15:41, SteveC wrote:
> Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just
> making it public?
+1
If someone is being intimidated in private, how much more intimidating
would it be if done in public.
David
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On 24/11/2008 08:38, Tom Hughes wrote:
>> There could always be a gentle reminder when reading messages that:
>>
>> * There’s a wiki;
>> * there are several mailing lists
>
> I can tell you right now that a gentle reminder will have very little
> effect.
>
> I know this because the absolutel
David Earl wrote:
> If you send a message out from the website send-a-message with a random
> token in it somewhere (e.g. reply-to:
> "token"@privatemail.openstreetmap.com, or subject: bla bla ["token"], or
> in the message-id, so you can see any reply is a reply to a web-site
> originated mes
Hi Y'all,
In a state of sleep-deprived foolishness, I deleted a way (one half of
the Baltimore Washington Barkway just outside the Beltway near
Washington DC)...is there any way to undelete a way once the potlatch
change has been committed? Or should I just attempt to rebuild the way?
Thanks!
On 24/11/2008 16:14, Ben Supnik wrote:
> Hi Y'all,
>
> In a state of sleep-deprived foolishness, I deleted a way (one half of
> the Baltimore Washington Barkway
That would be "dog=yes"?
> just outside the Beltway near
> Washington DC)...is there any way to undelete a way once the potlatch
> c
I would like the see the messaging system open to the API, so that,
for example, you can directly message someone via an editor or
something about a particular map element. So mapping queries / advice
would be public, and accessible from multiple areas. This would be be
best suited to a public exch
> > For instance, the fact that maplint supports noname=yes and the
> > validation: namespace and maybe one day the internal: namespace I've
> > proposed is bad.
> noname and validate are not really the same thing. "noname" say that
> something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot
I need your help please...
(Thank you to those of you who have started already before I'd even
finished preparing the page!)
While the name finder search currently does quite a good job of handling
nuances of names in different languages, it can't currently find
categories of things in anyth
Patrick Kilian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> noname and validate are not really the same thing. "noname" say that
> something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot more
> universal in its goal. It aims to create a namespace for the selective
> disabling of all possible valiation te
Hi,
>> noname and validate are not really the same thing. "noname" say that
>> something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot more
>> universal in its goal.
>
> Exact, but I was making a comparisson between
> * higwhay=residential
> * noname=yes
> and
> * higwhay=residential
>
This is great, but...
Patrick Kilian wrote:
> validate:empty-tag-key
> validate:empty-tag-value
> validate:untagged-way
> validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer
> validate:deprecated-tags
> validate:motorway-without-ref
> validate:place-of-worship-without-religion
> validate:poi-without-name
> va
Hi,
> Patrick Kilian wrote:
>> validate:empty-tag-key
>> validate:empty-tag-value
>> validate:untagged-way
>> validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer
>> validate:deprecated-tags
>> validate:motorway-without-ref
>> validate:place-of-worship-without-religion
>> validate:poi-without-name
>> validate:
Great !
Just one question : do we have to ignore accents ?
In french, you write "pres, pres de" for "near". But the correct
syntax is "près, près de".
Or do we have to write all possibilities "pres, pres de, près, près de" ?
Pieren
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:12 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DavidD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2008/11/22 Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Whatever the syntax is you won't know why someone chose not to include
>> a name tag. The here discussed proposal is only about telling the
>> validator not to complain about the missing tag. It is up to th
Hi,
DavidD wrote:
> I don't really see why this is needed. Wouldn't it be a lot better to
> have a tag for when a street has no visible name sign? Then I and
> other mappers know what is going on and there is no risk of someone
> with local knowledge thing the street is already named.
The idea is
On Monday 24 November 2008 20:01, Pieren wrote:
> But the correct
> syntax is "près, près de".
> Or do we have to write all possibilities "pres, pres de, près, près de" ?
Oops, I allready corrected some, and added some with accentuated caracters
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Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Tom Hughes wrote:
>> I know this because the absolutely vast, exceedingly non gentle, four
>> language reminder about using the web site to reply rather than email is
>> ignored by large numbers of people every day.
>
> That's a very clear sig
On Monday 24 November 2008, David Earl wrote:
> I'm also reconsidering adding "in" as well as "near" (and comma) as
> the separator. The problem is that there are a couple of place names
> in England which have "In" in their names - Henley-In-Arden for
> example. (A second problem is that since it
On 24/11/2008 19:32, Ben Laenen wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, David Earl wrote:
>> I'm also reconsidering adding "in" as well as "near" (and comma) as
>> the separator. The problem is that there are a couple of place names
>> in England which have "In" in their names - Henley-In-Arden for
>>
On 24/11/2008 19:01, Pieren wrote:
> Great !
> Just one question : do we have to ignore accents ?
> In french, you write "pres, pres de" for "near". But the correct
> syntax is "près, près de".
> Or do we have to write all possibilities "pres, pres de, près, près de" ?
*With* the accents, only, pl
> Are there other applications that care whether something really does
> not have a name or whether the name is just not know?
Yes, I see one. Someone might argue I am not of good faith, but anyway there
it is :
Suppose I'm working for a local urban institution and they ask me to replace
any m
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a very clear sign that we did something wrong by implementing
> half of an email system ;-) maybe we should drop that kind of user
> messaging and just configure a mailer to forward
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the appropr
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Matt Amos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's a very clear sign that we did something wrong by implementing
>> half of an email system ;-) maybe we should drop that kind of user
>> messagin
> From my point of view internal=noname and noname=yes both tell me that
> the street has no name. validate:residential-without-name=ignore tell's
> the validator not to highlight the fact that there is no name.
Then we have the same definition.
> But I want a _consistent_ way to do that for _all
Hi,
>> From my point of view internal=noname and noname=yes both tell me that
>> the street has no name. validate:residential-without-name=ignore tell's
>> the validator not to highlight the fact that there is no name.
> Then we have the same definition.
Good.
>> But I want a _consistent_ way to
> If my solution isn't good it's not going to be used...
I fear it's not true, at first because it is not "not good" ended it is, and
answers a need, I would say, it is not as good as it could be.
( sure, no tag will ever be)
And then because if people have nothing better, they will use it
the t
sylvain letuffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Are there other applications that care whether something really does
>> not have a name or whether the name is just not know?
>
> Yes, I see one. Someone might argue I am not of good faith, but anyway there
> it is :
>
> Suppose I'm working for a loc
Patrick Kilian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
>> Patrick Kilian wrote:
>>> validate:empty-tag-key
>>> validate:empty-tag-value
>>> validate:untagged-way
>>> validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer
>>> validate:deprecated-tags
>>> validate:motorway-without-ref
>>> validate:place-of-worship-wit
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 07:41:41AM -0800, SteveC wrote:
> Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just
> making it public?
I'm with that, and mentioned it already. Who should get sent abuse
reports?
Simon
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Hi,
Simon Ward wrote:
>> Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just
>> making it public?
>
> I'm with that, and mentioned it already. Who should get sent abuse
> reports?
We could create a mailing list where these are simply dumped, and anyone
who cares to work on th
On 06:15:03, Matt Amos did write:
>
> i'm in favour of removing this functionality entirely. and the user
> diaries too. there are open, well-written and (relatively) bug-free
> versions of these sorts of software which we should integrate instead.
> we could move the diaries to wordpress blogs an
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:11 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Better editor (or API) support for different languages is surely a
> better way to go.
If everyone here are native english speakers or speaks relatively
fluently, and they all take the pragmatic route of using UK centric
tagg
Here is a new proposal to help (great!) validators tools to help enlight
problems in the OSM DB
It also give, in itself, some information on the quality of the internal osm
data
two validators are expecting to use it soon :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maplint
and
http://wiki.openstreetma
> > no problems ! I'll copy my end page on the validate: namespace in the talk
> > list if you allow me to.
> Sure. Go ahead.
I was not kidding, there it is, in just one hour. I'am moving to support it in
my renderer, you can do it on your side.
As ever with osm, support what you want, but pl
A while ago (last spring?) the coastline error checker displayed an error for
the coastlines of very small islands where there was actually nothing wrong
with the coastline. I thought this bug in the coastline error checker was
fixed then, because the Great Lakes area has once been completely er
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Erik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:11 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Better editor (or API) support for different languages is surely a
>> better way to go.
> If everyone here are native english speakers or speaks re
Just to summarise a bit:
2 major points:
1. If its a barangay then tag them as such, place=barangay
2. Well it is the same as a village, then tag them as place:village
and, add a page in the wiki explaining that the village tag represents
barangay in the Philippines
There's also a suggestion in t
Hi,
>> If you can spend the time to find good names for the individual option
>> (and merge say residential-without-name and poi-without-name to noname)
>> and do all the stuff in the wiki, I'm certainly not opposed to change
>> the naming in maplint. If we can reach consensus in this way and have
Hi,
>> I prefer the second because it makes a street having no name and having no
>> sign with a name impossible.
>> ( If find them exclusives, since if there is no name, there can't be a name
>> sign, or else there is an error)
>> But if some people thing it should be possible, then I'll prop
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