[OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Hello people, today I've stumbled upon changeset 6682943 [0] in my area, and, digging further, I found its companions listed in [1]. While I believe this is valuable information, I'm quite puzzled by the import. In particular, it added nodes also to already well-mapped airports, with missing infor

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

David wrote: > What do you think about reverting these changesets? I stumbled across an imported node in the middle of the existing area of airport nearest me and have deleted the node, but it being there made me review the existing mapping and I have improved my previous estimates of the car par

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Hi, On 12/17/10 09:43, David Paleino wrote: today I've stumbled upon changeset 6682943 [0] in my area, and, digging further, I found its companions listed in [1]. Imports on such scale should be discussed before they're done, and documented after. In this case, a discussion would probably hav

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 09:53 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Complete lack of discussion is reason enough for a revert in my > opinion. > I'd suggest contacting the importer and asking him where/how he has > heard the community about his plans and whether he intends to fix the > problems. and als

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

In my area it looks like a couple of small rural grass strips was added. The hospital helipad was initially duplicated but then re-deleted in a subsequent changeset by the same user. So it looks like there was at least SOME attempt at de-duplicating things, even if it was done after the fact. Toby

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

The source is documented in both the changeset comments and on the nodes themselves. I saw a conversation on IRC to the effect that the data is indeed PD so there don't seem to be any worries on that front at least. Toby On Dec 17, 2010 3:10 AM, "Kenneth Gonsalves" wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-17 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

At 2010-12-17 01:22, Toby Murray wrote: The source is documented in both the changeset comments and on the nodes themselves. I saw a conversation on IRC to the effect that the data is indeed PD so there don't seem to be any worries on that front at least. Really? I read the "about" page at our

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:43:29AM +0100, David Paleino wrote: > I suspect this kind of different quality is present elsewhere too. Yes, I have removed a duplicate in my area this morning. The node added was giving no new information (it had wrong name, was only a node and missed other data alread

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 17/12/10 09:47, Alan Mintz wrote: > At 2010-12-17 01:22, Toby Murray wrote: > >> The source is documented in both the changeset comments and on the >> nodes themselves. I saw a conversation on IRC to the effect that the >> data is indeed PD so there don't seem to be any worries on that front >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Toby Murray wrote: > The source is documented in both the changeset comments and on the > nodes themselves. I saw a conversation on IRC to the effect that the > data is indeed PD so there don't seem to be any worries on that front > at least. A simple assertion that "this is PD" isn't good eno

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: A simple assertion that "this is PD" isn't good enough. Lots of people don't have any understanding of IP in geodata, and will happily trace from Google Maps then say "I declare the result to be CC-BY/PD/CC-BY-SA/entirely my copyright/what-have-you".

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Come on, this is non-sense. If someone accepted the CT and imports the data, > it should be enough. I disagree, if there is reasonable evidence or suspicion that the data may have licensing problems then we should ask the source of that d

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Le 17/12/2010 09:43, David Paleino a écrit : What do you think about reverting these changesets? +1 Imports must have been object of previous discussions, on legacy (but it seems right) and on methods and it apears the import is creating a lot of dupes. I have seen a lot of town imported i

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Le 17/12/2010 09:43, David Paleino a écrit : What do you think about reverting these changesets? +1 Imports must have been object of previous discussions, on legacy (but it seems right) and on methods and it apears the import is creating a lot of dupes. I have seen a lot of town imported i

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: Come on, this is non-sense. If someone accepted the CT and imports the data, it should be enough. I disagree, if there is reasonable evidence or suspicion that the data may have licensing probl

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Stefan de Konink >> wrote: >>> >>> Come on, this is non-sense. If someone accepted the CT and imports the >>> data, >>> it should be enough. >> >> I disagree,

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Stefan de Konink wrote: Come on, this is non-sense. If someone accepted the CT and imports the data, it should be enough. No. By that logic we'd never revert data which is clearly traced from infringing sources. We can, and we do. The OSM map is a single collaborative project, not a series

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Le 17/12/2010 11:34, Stefan de Konink a écrit : On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: Come on, this is non-sense. If someone accepted the CT and imports the data, it should be enough. I disagree, if there is reasonable evidence o

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The legal discussion makes only sense if the import is going to be accepted. And since it is not the first import about airports in OSM, this one will create more troubles than anything else. I agree with Frederik that it should be reverte

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Friday 17 December 2010, Stefan de Konink wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > >> Come on, this is non-sense. If someone accepted the CT and imports the > >> data, > >> it should be enough. > > > > I disagree, if t

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

From http://www.ourairports.com/about.html , under Credits: "Google Maps for providing a free, high-quality mapping API and geocoder" -- Alan Mintz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

OSM is an open system. Anyone can contribute as he likes. If there is something wrong then you cannot say "must be reverted" It's the original author that should be convinced to revert data. Only none cooperative authors should "have their date reverted" All OSM-ers are equal, nor Pieren no

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Gert, On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:08:49 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > OSM is an open system. > > Anyone can contribute as he likes. You're wrong. Anyone can contribute correct (at most of the user capabilities) non-duplicate data. Data failing to meet this criteria MU

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Toby Murray wrote: > In my area it looks like a couple of small rural grass strips was > added. The hospital helipad was initially duplicated but then > re-deleted in a subsequent changeset by the same user. So it looks > like there was at least SOME attempt at de-duplicating things, even if > it w

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Read my mail ! Instead of debiting the obvious! OSM is open. His right is your right ! Instead of discussing about someone, discuss WITH someone about its data quality, and do not complain in public if not anyone does not meet YOUR quality standards. In-avoidable your data will be subject to dis

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 17 December 2010 11:49, Alan Mintz wrote: > > From http://www.ourairports.com/about.html , under Credits: > > "Google Maps for providing a free, high-quality mapping API and geocoder" But it also says: "Marc Wick at Geonames for permission to run thousands of batch queries against his geoloca

[OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps - Update

Last month back Steve Coast contacted us to let us know that he had identified what may have been OpenStreetMap data in Google Maps of Colombia. We raised this issue with our provider for Colombia, and they agreed to remove the disputed data from their data set while they continue to discuss the m

[OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

Hi all, Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US http://open.MapQuest.com site Full details about it are available on our devblog at http://devblog.MapQuest.com Thank you to everyone here who has helped make this happen (you know who you are, and the beer is always on my ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Le 17/12/2010 13:08, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen a écrit : OSM is an open system. Anyone can contribute as he likes. Not only... Anyone can contribute for making data beter. We don't always agree on what is beter. But we discuss it. And we generaly agree that dupes are worse.

Re: [OSM-talk] using walking papers where some data may not be used for OSM

Think of OSM as a tool set. Use a local copy of OSM and don't upload the changes. Basically use something like JOSM to extract the OSM file and save a local copy. Take a very small area say two inches by two inches with no data in it and download to new data layer. Then add in the desired restr

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Am 17.12.2010 13:30, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: Read my mail ! Instead of debiting the obvious! I'm sorry I've to jump into this discussion. It's not only about data quality but about how we interact with each other. It's best practice at OSM to announce data import

[OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Hello, I'm responsible for the massive import of airports yesterday. First of all, I would like to apologize for its outcome. My intention was to map some of the missing airports from OSM. My methodology was as follows: - Check to see what data is already in OSM. Download the data from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Am 17.12.2010 15:28, schrieb Blake Crosby: I'm responsible for the massive import of airports yesterday. First of all, I would like to apologize for its outcome. Hi Blake thank you for talking to us although we ranted so bad about the import. My intention was to map some of the missing airpo

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Dec 17, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Peter Körner wrote: It's not only about data quality but about how we interact with each other. +1 As for data quality and dupes, we already have airports in the US from previous GNIS data imports. Within those, I found hundreds of heliports tagged as air

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:28:26 -0500, Blake Crosby wrote: > Hello, > > I'm responsible for the massive import of airports yesterday. First of > all, I would like to apologize for its outcome. Thanks for talking here :) > [..] > > As you can see there was a flaw. Not all airports in OSM have nod

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] licence change w/o data loss + better version control + more quality with flagged revisions

I would greatly encourage this. I would also like if it could show the results if one (odbl) or another license (PD) was accepted and non-compatible data removed, partially, or as a whole, dependent on the acceptance of the license / contributor terms by the author. It would show the community

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 17/12/2010 9:42 AM, Peter Körner wrote: The community has to decide it the changes should be reverted. How many nodes did you import? There were 23,013 nodes: Of those: 3,680 were Heliports/Helipads 19,333 were Aerodromes The general consensus with other users who have e-mailed me directl

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Blake Crosby wrote: > On 17/12/2010 9:42 AM, Peter Körner wrote: > >> Blake, Thank you for responding here on the mailing list and explaining things. > The community has to decide it the changes should be reverted. How many >> nodes did you import? >> > > Ther

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:31:41 -0500, Blake Crosby wrote: > The general consensus with other users who have e-mailed me directly/on > this list is that I should revert the changes for which a node appears > INSIDE an area defined as as helipad/aerodrome. I'd say also "near", not only "inside", if

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Tim Waters wrote: > On 17 December 2010 11:49, Alan Mintz > > > wrote: > > > > From http://www.ourairports.com/about.html , under Credits: > > > > "Google Maps for providing a free, high-quality mapping API and geocoder" > > But it also says: > > "Marc Wick at Ge

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:30 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > > Instead of discussing about someone, discuss WITH someone > about its data quality, and do not complain in public if not anyone > does not meet YOUR quality standards. > In-avoidable your data will be subject

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 17/12/2010 10:57 AM, David Paleino wrote: I'd say also "near", not only "inside", if you can :-) My first round of deletions have completed (changeset 6688755). It resulted in the deletion of 921 nodes. Any of the nodes that I added that was within 0.1' of any existing node/way tagged as

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Can you confirm that the data came from sources compliant with the license terms, and not from sources such as Google Maps that don't allow their data to be used in OSM? The information at indicates that at least some of the ourairports.com data came from

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:37:10 -0500, Blake Crosby wrote: > On 17/12/2010 10:57 AM, David Paleino wrote: > > I'd say also "near", not only "inside", if you can :-) > > My first round of deletions have completed (changeset 6688755). > > [..] > > I will be performing the same for aeroway='helipad'

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 17/12/2010 12:50 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Can you confirm that the data came from sources compliant with the license terms, and not from sources such as Google Maps that don't allow their data to be used in OSM? The information at indicates tha

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Blake Crosby wrote: On 17/12/2010 12:50 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Can you confirm that the data came from sources compliant with the license terms, and not from sources such as Google Maps that don't allow their data to be used in OSM? The information at

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

The Second round of deletes are complete (changeset 6689583). This resulted in 281 nodes marked as aeroway=helipad being deleted. Blake On 17/12/2010 12:37 PM, Blake Crosby wrote: On 17/12/2010 10:57 AM, David Paleino wrote: I'd say also "near", not only "inside", if you can :-) My first ro

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

At 2010-12-17 07:57, David Paleino wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:31:41 -0500, Blake Crosby wrote: > The general consensus with other users who have e-mailed me directly/on > this list is that I should revert the changes for which a node appears > INSIDE an area defined as as helipad/aerodrome.

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 23000 nodes approximately 5 % were duplicate. Who of you will thank Blake for 95% new data ? None ! Is that a way to treat fellow OSM-ers : Crappy mass import ! Instant doubt on license ! And who is WE ? You mean I ! You speak for yourself ! Blake: thank you for your contributions, an

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 17-12-10 22:33, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: > Blake: thank you for your contributions, and mistakes > are human. And sometimes unavoidable. For example in the case of the Dutch busstop imports. You cannot 'deduplicate'

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:06:29 -0500 Blake Crosby wrote: > The Second round of deletes are complete (changeset 6689583). > > This resulted in 281 nodes marked as aeroway=helipad being deleted. > > Blake I'm removing any that I find in my area. I came home yesterday to find that a dirt strip used

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Speaking of horrible imports, when are we going to delete the "environmental hazard" import in the US? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/586927988/history -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Massive-import-of-airports-tp5844802p5845926.html Sent from the Gener

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 08:06 -0500, Antony Pegg wrote: > Hi all, > > Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US > http://open.MapQuest.com site Just out of interest, why did you choose to extract only the continental united states out of the entire worlds data that the project has?

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

What makes you think this is an extract? Did you try scrolling over to Europe? Also the .com domain is only the latest one to be rolled out. These sites have all been online for several months already: http://open.mapquest.co.uk/ http://open.mapquest.in/ http://open.mapquest.it/ http://open.mapque

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:33 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > On 23000 nodes approximately 5 % were duplicate. > > Who of you will thank Blake for 95% new data ? > > None ! Ive seen a few thanks for the addition of the data, maybe you missed them, or only read emails f

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On 17/12/2010 23:12, David Murn wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 08:06 -0500, Antony Pegg wrote: Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US http://open.MapQuest.com site Just out of interest, why did you choose to extract only the continental united states out of the entire worlds

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

On 17/12/2010 23:29, David Murn wrote: I wish 95% was accurate enough for my job, imagine if 95% of your email made it to your inbox but 5% was lost, would you be thanking your ISP for the great job they did, or would you be asking them to fix the missing 5%? You wouldnt be ungrateful for the 9

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Speaking of horrible imports, when are we going to delete the "environmental hazard" import in the US? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/586927988/history It should be deleted - most items here are placed in the middle of roads, sometimes a KM or 2 off, resulting in mass confusion.

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:26:05 -0600 Toby Murray wrote: > What makes you think this is an extract? Did you try scrolling over > to Europe? > snip > >  If > > Mapquest wanted to show off the usefulness of OSM data, wouldnt you > > be using data from Europe or Asia, or for that matter, any place >

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

Am 17.12.2010 15:24, schrieb Katie Filbert: On Dec 17, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Peter Körner wrote: It's not only about data quality but about how we interact with each other. +1 +2 Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Saturday 18 December 2010 00:48:17 Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:26:05 -0600 > > Toby Murray wrote: > > What makes you think this is an extract? Did you try scrolling over > > to Europe? > > snip > > > >  If > > > Mapquest wanted to show off the usefulness of OSM data, wouldnt

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

I tried searching by my home address and it could not find it. When I tried it on Mapquest classic it found that same address. John On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Antony Pegg wrote: > Hi all, > > Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US > http://open.MapQuest.com site > > Ful

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:26 -0600, Toby Murray wrote: > What makes you think this is an extract? The subject line specifically says "launched for the US", and the first line of the original email said "Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US [link] site". I therefore assumed that

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On 18 December 2010 01:28, David Murn wrote: > Ive also noticed while you have attiribution at the bottom, I cant find > a permalink.  Is (was?) it not a requirement of the licence to have a > permalink on the map display, or is this just an unwritten rule that > everyone complies with? It's an u

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

Ive also noticed while you have attiribution at the bottom, I cant find a permalink. Is (was?) it not a requirement of the licence to have a permalink on the map display, or is this just an unwritten rule that everyone complies with? LOL - An additional refreshing thing about Mapquest using ou

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > I agree with David, that this shows a view of the world which is > distorted, ignoring Asia where most humans actually reside, and ignoring > Africa at the same time. > A useful thing would be an honest comparison of what is available > th

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 20:14 -0500, Mike N. wrote: > > Ive also noticed while you have attiribution at the bottom, I cant find > > a permalink. Is (was?) it not a requirement of the licence to have a > > permalink on the map display, or is this just an unwritten rule that > > everyone complies with

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

They did, indeed, pick a region, the USA, where the bulk of the data came from the TIGER database import, just as you say they should have done. So, why are you complaining? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US >From :mailto:da...@incanberr

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:27 PM, John Mitchell wrote: > I tried searching by my home address and it could not find it.  When I tried > it on Mapquest classic it found that same address. They use nominatim for their open.mapquest.* sites so if you can find your house on openstreetmap.org then you

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:22:15 +0800 Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Elizabeth Dodd > wrote: > > > > I agree with David, that this shows a view of the world which is > > distorted, ignoring Asia where most humans actually reside, and > > ignoring Africa at the same ti