Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Russ, (I'm trying to move this over to legal-talk because you are expressing an interesting legal viewpoint): On 05/05/11 06:27, Russ Nelson wrote: I'm wondering on what data you come to that conclusion? Because people have clicked "ok" on the license change and CTs? And yet there is no ag

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-04 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Maarten Deen wrote: > > Nominatim use them (boundariy relations) efficiently. > > The lookup may be efficient, it is frequently wrong and again dependent > of correct and complete admin_levels. > Currently it places every street where I live (in the Netherlands) in > Belgium and does not spe

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread pec...@gmail.com
2011/5/5 Russ Nelson : > Dermot McNally writes: >  > The change in licence and CTs has been endorsed massively by The >  > Community. > > I'm wondering on what data you come to that conclusion? Because people > have clicked "ok" on the license change and CTs? And yet there is no > agreement and no

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I've thought about this myself; would it be better to have separate, > smaller instances of OSM, the way Wikipedia does. I think it would make sense to have many layers of data, each

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Russ Nelson
Dermot McNally writes: > The change in licence and CTs has been endorsed massively by The > Community. I'm wondering on what data you come to that conclusion? Because people have clicked "ok" on the license change and CTs? And yet there is no agreement and no contract. The OSMF has made it clear

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/04/11 19:34, Kai Krueger wrote: Wikipedia has a global foundation responsible for the maintenance of all databases and then local chapters who provide further support and services on top of that. OSM (can) works similar. There is a global database and various local chapters that provi

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Nic Roets
I think OSM can be great, but it still has a very long way to go. Let's look at some of the best open source projects: 1. Linux: Dominates the server market and will soon dominate the smartphone market. 2. Apache: Dominates web servers. 3. Firefox: For a very long time they were miles ahead of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Dermot McNally
On 4 May 2011 18:21, Nic Roets wrote: > I rejected the CTs because I felt the OSMF* was out of touch with the > community. Your statement just reaffirms that. The Community, by my definition, is made up of the people who map, most of whom are not members of OSMF. The change in licence and CTs ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Kai Krueger
Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote: > > I've thought about this myself; would it be better to have separate, > smaller instances of OSM, the way Wikipedia does. > Arguably that is already the case. Wikipedia has a global foundation responsible for the maintenance of all databases and then local chapters

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Coast
Oh and I missed the second half - what makes you think we appointed the sysadmins? On 5/4/2011 10:23 AM, Steve Coast wrote: So you're suggesting OSM is one of the worst project? On 5/4/2011 10:21 AM, Nic Roets wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Steve Coast wrote: ... one of the best ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Coast
So you're suggesting OSM is one of the worst project? On 5/4/2011 10:21 AM, Nic Roets wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Steve Coast wrote: ... one of the best open source projects. I rejected the CTs because I felt the OSMF* was out of touch with the community. Your statement just reaff

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Steve Coast wrote: > ... one of the best open source projects. > I rejected the CTs because I felt the OSMF* was out of touch with the community. Your statement just reaffirms that. *: I make no distinction between the board and the people they appoint e.g. the sy

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread john whelan
I think that has been done with the change to the Contribution Terms and licensing. Cheerio John On 4 May 2011 13:02, Steve Coast wrote: > I can't, but that wasn't clear to me. It's also dominant in air traffic > control. It seems a little flimsy as a base reason to break up one of the > best o

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Coast
I can't, but that wasn't clear to me. It's also dominant in air traffic control. It seems a little flimsy as a base reason to break up one of the best open source projects. On 5/4/2011 10:01 AM, Nic Roets wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Steve Coast wrote: I dispute point 1, if anythi

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Steve Coast wrote: > I dispute point 1, if anything the project is German-centric if you look at > the depth and quantity of data? Steve, he was talking about language, not geographical dominance. You can't argue that English is dominant. _

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Coast
I dispute point 1, if anything the project is German-centric if you look at the depth and quantity of data? On 5/4/2011 9:41 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/04/11 03:23, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Dave, if you have a suggestion that

[OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 05/04/11 03:23, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> >> Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real >> time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group. > > The alternative to communicating in rea

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/4 Jaak Laineste : > Regarding user interface: I would add "quick street selector" feature > to JOSM (and other editors) a workaround to improve usability would be to enable autocompletion of addr:street with the values of the name-keys of the highways. cheers, Martin https://josm.openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-04 Thread Mike N
On 5/4/2011 7:58 AM, Jaak Laineste wrote: Regarding user interface: I would add "quick street selector" feature to JOSM (and other editors) - when you open Preset>Annotations>Address screen, then instead of text field it would have buttons to select quickly up to 5 nearest streetnames. I would pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-04 Thread Jaak Laineste
2011/5/4 Maarten Deen : > On Wed, 4 May 2011 08:07:07 +0200, pdora...@mac.com (Pierre-Alain Dorange) > wrote: >> >> Felix Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Nope, it makes sense all the time. Cause boundaries really are not ment >>> for deducting information onto what's inside. This really slows down any >>>

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-04 Thread Felix Hartmann
Why not setup a "Wave" server, using google Wave software. It's open source, and really efficient for real time as well as non real time communication. Alternative a google server could be used, but then it is just like other proprietary tools (though based on opensource software). ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-04 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm schrieb: >Hi, > >Matthias Julius wrote: >> One option would be to run osmosis with clipIncompleteEntities=false >> (the default). That would not increase the burden on your box and >still >> allow the extracts to be merged. Of course, this would leave it up >to >> the data cons

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-04 Thread Martin Mares
Hello! > Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real > time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group. I have another suggestion: learn how to use e-mail efficiently :-) An e-mail discussion need not take weeks if all interested people respond at l